cruiserman_83
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posted December 19, 2011 05:14 PM
Looking at the two 14's. New one, more cc's ported head, 44mm throttle body, old one less cc's, 47mm throttle body, no porting. Seems to me that no point putting larger throttles on old one unless head is ported and flowed....IMO
Great results though!
  
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codyc_13
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posted December 19, 2011 05:18 PM
It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 06:52 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
Really By who? the guy that does them and the one that sells them? I've been told By a very good source who I will not name the gain 1 to 2 hp after all day of tuning.
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Lucky14
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posted December 19, 2011 07:48 PM
Interesting reading, Shane.
Thanks for posting.
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kawa74
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posted December 19, 2011 07:58 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
Really By who? the guy that does them and the one that sells them? I've been told By a very good source who I will not name the gain 1 to 2 hp after all day of tuning.
If the rubber boots are not matched to TB's, they must be opened to 47, I can see small or no gains, can't just bolt on a 47 to a 44 hole , MISMATCHED rubber boot to TB or boot to head will cause TURBULANCE, TUMBLING very bad in the intake track , maybe even hurt power ?
A perfect 1 inch HOLE has Area of 1 sq in= flows = 87.1 CFM @ 10* water
44 TB's Diameter is 1.73 in have a Area = 2.35 sq in - .346 sq in blade and shaft =
2.004 sq in x 87.1 =
44 TB = 174 cfm @ 10*...... or...... 291 cfm @ 28* water
47 TB = Area = 2.68 sq* - .346 = 2.334 sq* x 87.1 =
47 TB = 203cfm @ 10*...... or...... 339 @ 28* water
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Famous1
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posted December 19, 2011 08:03 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
Really By who? the guy that does them and the one that sells them? I've been told By a very good source who I will not name the gain 1 to 2 hp after all day of tuning.
name your source or it doesn't mean anything..... because i have heard from a source that i can name who says 7 to hp gain on stock motor..
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 08:06 PM
I will not name him, I'm not an asshole like that. But I'm not the only one on this board that knows this and who it comes from. Spend your money and get those 7 horses and let them run wild!
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Lucky14
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posted December 19, 2011 08:09 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
Really By who? the guy that does them and the one that sells them? I've been told By a very good source who I will not name the gain 1 to 2 hp after all day of tuning.
I can prove THIS:
1. ZX-10R has 47 mm throttle bodies on (overstating the obvious) a much smaller engine.
2. Busa has/had 46 mm tb's and it's a slightly smaller engine.
Why are 44's all the 14 / 14R needs???
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If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 08:23 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
Really By who? the guy that does them and the one that sells them? I've been told By a very good source who I will not name the gain 1 to 2 hp after all day of tuning.
I can prove THIS:
1. ZX-10R has 47 mm throttle bodies on (overstating the obvious) a much smaller engine.
2. Busa has/had 46 mm tb's and it's a slightly smaller engine.
Why are 44's all the 14 / 14R needs???
Do you realize the rpms the zx 10 turns compared to the 14? and the Busa has dual injectors as well so it takes more air. but hey do what you want . A month ago I was ready to send mine off until I talked to 4 shops that I consider very good shops and all will tell you the same as they told me. Do some calling tomorrow.
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posted December 19, 2011 08:28 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
name your source or it doesn't mean anything..... because i have heard from a source that i can name who says 7 to hp gain on stock motor..
I tested a set... My personal SuperSport engine went from 208 to 211. I saw no reason to purchase a set for myself.
Brock
www.BrocksPerformance.com
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Famous1
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posted December 19, 2011 08:29 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
Really By who? the guy that does them and the one that sells them? I've been told By a very good source who I will not name the gain 1 to 2 hp after all day of tuning.
I can prove THIS:
1. ZX-10R has 47 mm throttle bodies on (overstating the obvious) a much smaller engine.
2. Busa has/had 46 mm tb's and it's a slightly smaller engine.
Why are 44's all the 14 / 14R needs???
Do you realize the rpms the zx 10 turns compared to the 14? and the Busa has dual injectors as well so it takes more air. but hey do what you want . A month ago I was ready to send mine off until I talked to 4 shops that I consider very good shops and all will tell you the same as they told me. Do some calling tomorrow.
zx-10 redlines at 12,500... internal combustion engines... more air,more fuel more power...some things never change..
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 08:34 PM
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It's been proven that a completly stock motor will pick up 5-7hp on the old 14
name your source or it doesn't mean anything..... because i have heard from a source that i can name who says 7 to hp gain on stock motor..
I tested a set... My personal SuperSport engine went from 208 to 211. I saw no reason to purchase a set for myself.
Brock
www.BrocksPerformance.com
there you go 3 hp on a supersport enging by someone who knows how to tune! and I bet it was not an even 208 to an even 211 so somewhere in the 2 hp range.
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 08:36 PM
Is that a good enough source famous one?
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Famous1
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posted December 19, 2011 08:37 PM
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Is that a good enough source famous one?
yes
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 08:39 PM
And remeber I said I talked to others that confirmed what Brock just said! Did not take me long to save my 500.00!
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gstring
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posted December 19, 2011 09:18 PM
 Edited By: gstring on 20 Dec 2011 08:54
So busa 166 with dino oil
zx14r 189 with the additives and 0 weight oil
busa add 8 hp with the oil change =174hp
zx14r add 5 hp with more miles =194 hp
zx14r add 10 hp with a tune and full exhaust remember that zx14ris not going to pick up that many hp with a tune and exhaust due tio its high performance factory settings =204 hp
busa add 16 hp (that is what i got with a tune and a full exhaust) =194hp
zx 14r add 30 lb weight (the bike is 20lb heavier plus the exhaust system weighs 41 lb whereas the busa exhaust is 51lb), so,when done up, 10 more hp than the busa but 30 lb more weight ?does not impress me that much but the time will tell...
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JZX
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posted December 19, 2011 09:38 PM
Edited By: JZX on 20 Dec 2011 05:40
quote:
So busa 166 with dyno oil
zx14r 189 with the additives and 0 weight oil
busa add 8 hp with the oil change =174hp
zx14r add 5 hp with more miles =194 hp
zx14r add 10 hp with a tune and full exhaust remember that zx14ris not going to pick up that many hp with a tune and exhaust due tio its high performance factory settings =204 hp
busa add 16 hp (that is what i got with a tune and a full exhaust) =194hp
zx 14r add 30 lb weight (the bike is 20lb heavier plus the exhaust system weighs 41 lb whereas the busa exhaust is 50lb), so,when done up, 10 more hp than the busa but 30 lb more weight ?does not impress me that much but the time will tell...
Watch when the fully tuned 14R avgs 210-215hp with Pro drive <0 weight oil fully broken in. With a Brock's CT it will be within 5lbs of a gen 1 ZX14 set up the same and that's a fact.
Just remember- the gen 2 busa with bolt- ons was no quicker then a gen 1 14 set up identically.
A stock bike with stock header on pump gas just went into the 8' s at stock wheelbase.
Look in the mirror and say that doesn't impress you.
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posted December 19, 2011 09:56 PM
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So busa 166 with dyno oil
zx14r 189 with the additives and 0 weight oil
busa add 8 hp with the oil change =174hp
zx14r add 5 hp with more miles =194 hp
zx14r add 10 hp with a tune and full exhaust remember that zx14ris not going to pick up that many hp with a tune and exhaust due tio its high performance factory settings =204 hp
busa add 16 hp (that is what i got with a tune and a full exhaust) =194hp
zx 14r add 30 lb weight (the bike is 20lb heavier plus the exhaust system weighs 41 lb whereas the busa exhaust is 50lb), so,when done up, 10 more hp than the busa but 30 lb more weight ?does not impress me that much but the time will tell...
Watch when the fully tuned 14R avgs 210-215hp with Pro drive <0 weight oil fully broken in. With a Brock's CT it will be within 5lbs of a gen 1 ZX14 set up the same and that's a fact.
Just remember- the gen 2 busa with bolt- ons was no quicker then a gen 1 14 set up identically.
A stock bike with stock header on pump gas just went into the 8' s at stock wheelbase.
Look in the mirror and say that doesn't impress you.
GOD DAMN YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKIN FAN BOY ON THE SITE LOLOLOLOL
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JZX
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posted December 19, 2011 10:11 PM
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So busa 166 with dyno oil
zx14r 189 with the additives and 0 weight oil
busa add 8 hp with the oil change =174hp
zx14r add 5 hp with more miles =194 hp
zx14r add 10 hp with a tune and full exhaust remember that zx14ris not going to pick up that many hp with a tune and exhaust due tio its high performance factory settings =204 hp
busa add 16 hp (that is what i got with a tune and a full exhaust) =194hp
zx 14r add 30 lb weight (the bike is 20lb heavier plus the exhaust system weighs 41 lb whereas the busa exhaust is 50lb), so,when done up, 10 more hp than the busa but 30 lb more weight ?does not impress me that much but the time will tell...
Watch when the fully tuned 14R avgs 210-215hp with Pro drive <0 weight oil fully broken in. With a Brock's CT it will be within 5lbs of a gen 1 ZX14 set up the same and that's a fact.
Just remember- the gen 2 busa with bolt- ons was no quicker then a gen 1 14 set up identically.
A stock bike with stock header on pump gas just went into the 8' s at stock wheelbase.
Look in the mirror and say that doesn't impress you.
GOD DAMN YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKIN FAN BOY ON THE SITE LOLOLOLOL
Do you think you would say that to my face? Punk
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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posted December 19, 2011 10:36 PM
Damn right I would without one bit of hesitation
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JZX
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posted December 19, 2011 10:43 PM
BRING IT
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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posted December 19, 2011 10:48 PM
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BRING IT
I'm here in NM I'll be in Houston in March 14-19 you will have your shot than FAN BOY
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posted December 19, 2011 11:14 PM
Hahahahahhahaha thats all I gotta say
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posted December 20, 2011 04:54 AM
Edited By: Ricksgsxr on 20 Dec 2011 12:56
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Bently,
It would scare you... I have gone over 100 passes on my Diary 14 on <<0 in between changes, and not changed my oil filter for a whole season. I'm busy as hell all the time+ I'm lazy about that stuff ... It's no excuse- but it's reality. BTW, I don't recommend this behavior, but accelerated change intervals are a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. I can't even tell you how much to change it. Let you conscience be your guide, as much as any other oil - but no more.
Brock
FYI: we sell piles of this stuff, hundreds (maybe thousands?) of quarts per year. If guys had problems... EVERYONE would know these days.
Nice numbers Shane!
I'm nobody here and outsider with a little ole 1070 1k but I first used <<0 alyson back in 2001 when a builder/shop owner HP Cycles in Lake City, FL insisted I try it. On the than stock motor and piped 1k picked up 3 1/2 hp
Nobody carried this oil around here, not even the car speed shops, I never saw it online till several years later, his shop was a 75 mile drive one way.
I tried a number other oils just to see if i could find something less expensive and wihtout he drive . No luck!
Eexpensive but worth it .
Rick
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Shane661
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posted December 20, 2011 06:15 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2011 14:16
One other note. I tried removing the air filter....the bike actually lost 3 hp on the next pull.
So, at this point I would say no gain from air filter removal....at least without remapping. That is something we will find out when the Power Commanders are available. I wasn't recording a/f on these pulls, but I will when I get the CT pipe on there. 
Shane
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