Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 03:46 PM
Cant wait for busa results! hurry up
  
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shawnski
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posted December 19, 2011 03:46 PM
 Edited By: shawnski on 19 Dec 2011 23:51
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Ok, here are the results of Racheal's uber-strong stock motor Gen1 vs...my 14R...
First, both have the good oil..Alisyn <<0 wt oil and Petron additive...
Otherwise, here is the tail of the tape:
Her bike:
2006 ZX-14
PC III
Brock's CT Exhaust
Short Velocity Stacks
47mm throttle bodies
No Air Filter
Well-lubed Non o-ring Chain
BST wheel with ceramic bearings
LSR gearing
MR12 Fuel
Guhl Motors Extended Revs ECU
Tuned by Brock
My bike:
2012 ZX-14R
Pump Gas
105 miles showing
Results:
This bike is for real. Next up, results compared to my 2011 Hayabusa that I traded in...
Shane
wow!
..no wonder in 7500 + rpm smoking and wee having problem keeping the bike down..
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 03:47 PM
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Bently,
It would scare you... I have gone over 100 passes on my Diary 14 on <<0 in between changes, and not changed my oil filter for a whole season. I'm busy as hell all the time+ I'm lazy about that stuff ... It's no excuse- but it's reality. BTW, I don't recommend this behavior, but accelerated change intervals are a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. I can't even tell you how much to change it. Let you conscience be your guide, as much as any other oil - but no more.
Brock
FYI: we sell piles of this stuff, hundreds (maybe thousands?) of quarts per year. If guys had problems... EVERYONE would know these days.
Brock, thanks that's good enough for me to try cause I go about 150 passes or so myself. and my oil always looks good. If I can get that from you 0 weight and oil additive I will buy some.
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1badzx12r
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posted December 19, 2011 03:48 PM
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Cant wait for busa results! hurry up
me 2 .. this is better than pawn stars
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Bently
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posted December 19, 2011 03:52 PM
Oh I like porn stars so I'm not sure about that one!
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shawnski
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posted December 19, 2011 03:54 PM
Edited By: shawnski on 19 Dec 2011 23:54
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Cant wait for busa results! hurry up
me 2 .. this is better than pawn stars
i thought we already had his busa chart.. was around 168 stock..
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Shane661
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posted December 19, 2011 03:58 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Dec 2011 23:59
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Cant wait for busa results! hurry up
Before I post the results,, here is the setup...
2011 Hayabusa
700 Heavy-handed miles
20+ dragstrip passes
Good Dino Oil (has equaled 10/40 Amsoil on the dyno, in my experience)
2012 ZX-14R
105 miles
<<0 Wt Alisyn Oil and Petron Additive
I mention the miles and usage because I believe the 14R will pick up a few hp over the next 500 miles. Just my gut feeling, but the Busa became stronger as the miles added up, imo.
Fair enough?? I don't want you guys to get your hopes up too high...
Shane
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1badzx12r
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posted December 19, 2011 04:01 PM
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quote:
Cant wait for busa results! hurry up
Before I post the results,, here is the setup...
2011 Hayabusa
700 Heavy-handed miles
20+ dragstrip passes
Good Dino Oil (has equaled 10/40 Amsoil on the dyno, in my experience)
2012 ZX-14R
105 miles
<<0 Wt Alisyn Oil and Petron Additive
I mention the miles and usage because I believe the 14R will pick up a few hp over the next 500 miles. Just my gut feeling, but the Busa became stronger as the miles added up, imo.
Fair enough?? I don't want you guys to get your hopes up too high...
Shane
not fair
the 0 weight oil was a 8hp gain for the zx14 ..got to post the zx14 with break-in oil
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Shane661
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posted December 19, 2011 04:05 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2011 00:07
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not fair
the 0 weight oil was a 8hp gain for the zx14 ..got to post the zx14 with break-in oil
We saw 3hp over Amsoil on Racheal's bike. This dino oil has equaled the Amsoil on numerous pulls (maybe 125 in my experience). So I stick by my comparison results. 
And I think the additional Busa miles, and dragstrip passes make for a fair comparson. 
Shane
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shawnski
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posted December 19, 2011 04:06 PM
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not fair
the 0 weight oil was a 8hp gain for the zx14 ..got to post the zx14 with break-in oil
We saw 3hp over Amsoil on Racheal's bike. This dino oil has equaled the Amsoil on numerous pulls (maybe 125 in my experience). So I stick by my comparison results.
Shane
168hp.. i know!! lol
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Shane661
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posted December 19, 2011 04:12 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2011 00:12
Ok, here it is....
26 hp difference at 10100 rpm....
As I posted on Facebook, quoting the movie Mad Max, loosely...
"It is the rocker, it is the roller, it's the out-of-controller...."
Suzuki, the ball is in your court!
Shane
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shawnski
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posted December 19, 2011 04:14 PM
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Ok, here it is....
26 hp difference at 10100 rpm....
As I posted on Facebook, quoting the movie Mad Max, loosely...
"It is the rocker, it is the roller, it's the out-of-controller...."
Suzuki, the ball is in your court!
Shane
23hp more not 26... LOL
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JZX
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posted December 19, 2011 04:15 PM
Edited By: JZX on 20 Dec 2011 00:18
I would find it hard to believe a stock busa would only make 9hp less then a piped 14 with mr12, bst's, <0 oil, 47mm tb's, etc and tuned by Brock. In other words, the most powerful stock motor with bolt ons 14 in existance.
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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Shane661
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posted December 19, 2011 04:15 PM
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23hp more not 26... LOL
26 hp at 10100 rpm....the 'Busa falls on it's face...keep it below 10100 and you are correct! 
Shane
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Shane661
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posted December 19, 2011 04:16 PM
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I would find it hard to believe a stock busa would only make 9hp less then a piped 14 with mr12, bst's, <0 oil, 47mm tb's, etc and tuned by Brock. In other words, the most powerful stock motor with bolt ons 14 in existance.
What do you mean? The Busa made 166 and her bike made 187 on the same dyno...
Shane
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shawnski
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posted December 19, 2011 04:18 PM
thank shane... very nice comparison.. stock vs stock and one with mods!!
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1badzx12r
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posted December 19, 2011 04:18 PM
poor booza
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JZX
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posted December 19, 2011 04:19 PM
Sorry shane, I forgot the 1, I meant 19hp.
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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Shane661
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posted December 19, 2011 04:23 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2011 00:33
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Sorry shane, I forgot the 1, I meant 19hp.
My experience has been that the Busa's are stronger on the dyno, stock motor, than 14's. I think Brock, and perhaps Lee might back this up? Either way, 19 hp is a lot, imo.
But if someone has a stronger stock-motor 14, that's cool! But I think hers is pretty strong as a comparison, which was my goal.
Shane
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1badzx12r
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posted December 19, 2011 04:23 PM
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not fair
the 0 weight oil was a 8hp gain for the zx14 ..got to post the zx14 with break-in oil
We saw 3hp over Amsoil on Racheal's bike. This dino oil has equaled the Amsoil on numerous pulls (maybe 125 in my experience). So I stick by my comparison results.
And I think the additional Busa miles, and dragstrip passes make for a fair comparson.
Shane
Lee and Brock were right...new bike in the making...
i don't care but you said 8hp from just an oil change
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Shane661
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posted December 19, 2011 04:27 PM
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i don't care but you said 8hp from just an oil change
And that is 100% true. As I said, I switched from the break-in oil to the Alisyn <<0 wt and Petron additive. No other changes.
I know that some people will doubt the results, and I am ok with that. I guess my bike will be a "ringer" too.
Shane
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JZX
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posted December 19, 2011 04:31 PM
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Sorry shane, I forgot the 1, I meant 19hp.
My experience has been that the Busa's are stronger on the dyno, stock motor, than 14's. I think Brock, and perhaps Lee might back this up? Either way, 19 hp is a lot, imo.
But if someone has a stronger stock-motor 14, that's cool! But I think hers is pretty strong as a comparison, which is was my goal.
Shane
I agree with that. Alot of things done to her bike will show up at the track. Busa gen 2's Dyno #'s match the avg ET's they run. Gen 1 ZX14's turn better ET's and mph in relation to it's own dyno results.
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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dakota9498
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posted December 19, 2011 04:32 PM
How dare you post fake results with your "ringer" to boost oil sales for Brock!?
Just kidding, that is awesome Shane, I can't wait to see on of these bikes at the track Brock'd out and stretched.
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posted December 19, 2011 04:32 PM
These threads are addicting..nice job on all your posts shane! I will have a shot of Petron tequila when I get home in celebration!
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smokinZX14
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posted December 19, 2011 05:01 PM
Great test Shane .. You rode the bike there, dyno it with factory oil .. Changed the oil and added the Perton and picked up 8 hp ..I think that is as fair a test as anyone could ask for ..
The Petron is kind of pricey .. But brock said you can add it every 3 oil change and not every change ... So if you look at it that way it's not that much for the gain you get ... Hell MR12 is what 120 + bucks for 5 gallons .. That makes the Petron pretty cheap for the extra HP you get..
I didn't use the 0wt oil , i used 10w 30 amsoil and the Petron and i felt the difference right away .. I'm saving to 0wt till i have the bike all Brocked out and i'm feeling better and can ride the bike to its fullest ..
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