Bently
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posted December 11, 2011 06:50 PM
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Lol at comparing a heavily modded bike to a totly stock one. Bolt ons are one thing but now were talking head milling and nitrous..lol
It wasn't about the mods it was about the cost to get to that hp. so laugh all you want but stop long enough to read
  
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redbarron2006
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posted December 11, 2011 09:08 PM
I will keep laughing. Most of these comparisons seem to be trying to prove it is not worth buying a new 14 if you have a old one. That's bs. The older bikes like mine was were starting to eat money. It was time for brakes, yet another set of tires, the bike had developed head shake for whatev reason ( could have been the front tire, could have been something more serious) and was ready for a chain and sprockets. That stuff alone + the cost of the mods it would have taken to get mine to run with the new bike + what I sold it for puts me within a few thousand of my brand new bike... if you own a 2009-2010 getting a new one does not make.as much sense.
I think.the old.platform was the best motorcycle I have ever owned. Not haveing put but a few miles on my R, I can tell its a very worthy replacement...money well spent.
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Master
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posted December 12, 2011 08:45 AM
 Edited By: Master on 12 Dec 2011 16:48
you have to understand there is and will be even more GenIII 14 envy going on.
Same thing happen in the busa world with the GenII. Seems that guys with the slower bike hate that they don't stand a chance against the new bikes. It will take years for them to understand so let them be . There slow genII two bikes don't make what the new one makes stock let them talk as they watch the lights on the tail of the new bike disappear. Talking about a 165 hp weakling.
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Wheelie
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posted December 12, 2011 08:50 AM
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you have to understand there is and will be even more GenIII 14 envy going on.
Same thing happen in the busa world with the GenII. Seems that guys with the slower bike hate that they don't stand a chance against the new bikes. It will take years for them to understand so let them be . There slow genII two bikes don't make what the new one makes stock let them talk as they watch the lights on the tail of the new bike disappear. Talking about a 165 hp weakling.
when will the Gen III be out, I may be interested.
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redbarron2006
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posted December 12, 2011 08:58 AM
Lol
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Hayabusa14
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posted December 12, 2011 09:09 AM
I have a 2007 SE ZX14 and a 2012 SE ZX14R. I like them both. I'm sure I will build the 2007 for my track bike and ride the 2012 on the sreet with it doing some track time also.
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Master
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posted December 12, 2011 09:14 AM
now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
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shawnski
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posted December 12, 2011 09:18 AM
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I have a 2007 SE ZX14 and a 2012 SE ZX14R. I like them both. I'm sure I will build the 2007 for my track bike and ride the 2012 on the sreet with it doing some track time also.
have you done any test comparison on both of your bikes.. maybe a few rollons see how bad the zx14r pulls away from zx14..?
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JZX
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posted December 12, 2011 09:38 AM
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now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
The last time the Busa had that title of the of quickest "stock out of the store" was over a decade ago.. Bill Clinton was president then bro- can I call you "bro" ? You been drinkin too much kool- aid..
I guess we have to see what "avg rider" mr.Wee has to say about it.
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Wheelie
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posted December 12, 2011 09:48 AM
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now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
yes the Booza is still the fastest production motorcycle ever made, should have kept my 08.
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Rook
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posted December 12, 2011 09:55 AM
No mods on either the '11 or the '12, right?
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Master
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posted December 12, 2011 11:32 AM
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now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
yes the Booza is still the fastest production motorcycle ever made, should have kept my 08.
wee
I not looking for dumb answers just what the results are. I thought if anyone could give us a real answer it would have been you. I hope someone with access to all three bikes will finaly do the test. sorry you don't have time to do it.
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Wheelie
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posted December 12, 2011 11:40 AM
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now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
yes the Booza is still the fastest production motorcycle ever made, should have kept my 08.
wee
I not looking for dumb answers just what the results are. I thought if anyone could give us a real answer it would have been you. I hope someone with access to all three bikes will finaly do the test. sorry you don't have time to do it.
06 zx14 6.15, 08 Booza 6.38, 012 zx14r 6.34, all my bikes
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redbarron2006
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posted December 12, 2011 11:47 AM
Haha bet the 06 and the 08 were not stock wheelieeeeeee.
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Wheelie
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posted December 12, 2011 11:52 AM
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Haha bet the 06 and the 08 were not stock wheelieeeeeee.
all 3 were stock wheelbase, 06 I rode a year at swb, the other 2 were one day at the track
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Master
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posted December 12, 2011 11:54 AM
Edited By: Master on 12 Dec 2011 19:56
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now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
The last time the Busa had that title of the of quickest "stock out of the store" was over a decade ago.. Bill Clinton was president then bro- can I call you "bro" ? You been drinkin too much kool- aid..
I guess we have to see what "avg rider" mr.Wee has to say about it.
Yes you can call me bro that if its ok if I call you Pecker head. You seem a lot racist to me and I'm sure Mr. wee don't mind you calling him Bro either.
First of all every mag that hast test both has tested the busa faster. Not me or you I just wanted to see how the new bikes compares stock for stock. Shoot he already said the new 14 is unridable stock height and lenth. Please shut up and let someone with something smart to say talk.
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Wheelie
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posted December 12, 2011 12:00 PM
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now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
The last time the Busa had that title of the of quickest "stock out of the store" was over a decade ago.. Bill Clinton was president then bro- can I call you "bro" ? You been drinkin too much kool- aid..
I guess we have to see what "avg rider" mr.Wee has to say about it.
Yes you can call me bro that if its ok if I call you Pecker head. You seem a lot racist to me and I'm sure Mr. wee don't mind you calling him Bro either.
First of all every mag that hast test both has tested the busa faster. No me or you I just wanted to see how the new bike compares stock for stock. Shoot he already said the ne 14 is unridable stock height and lenth. Please shut up and let someone with something smat to say talk.
first trip to the track it's tough to ride at swb, if I rode it week after week it will be easier to ride, if you're wanting to say the 14r is slower than the rest that's fine, my 14r will be at 69" in a few days, I will be at a drag strip when the weather permits and all summer, that's when I will make the call if it's all that.
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Master
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posted December 12, 2011 12:08 PM
No wee Im not trying to say the 14r is slower I know once its strechted it will blast anything
haven ridden both bikes I was hopping for a real stock test and although 69 inches may be long on the 14 I think the new baby will still need a litle more. You started out with a great report on the new bike but never gave us the new14 vs old 14 or the new 14 vs old busa test we thought you would. I'm sure youll do great at 10 over. but we will never get an answer on the other testing.
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Wheelie
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posted December 12, 2011 12:12 PM
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No wee Im not trying to say the 14r is slower I know once its strechted it will blast anything
haven ridden both bikes I was hopping for a real stock test and although 69 inches may be long on the 14 I think the new baby will still need a litle more. You started out with a great report on the new bike but never gave us the new14 vs old 14 or the new 14 vs old busa test we thought you would. I'm sure youll do great at 10 over. but we will never get an answer on the other testing.
5.64 is my time to beat on the r, it will be set up the same as my 09, but having 100's of runs is not going to be fair for one time out on a r. if it does run a 5.60 the first time out that will be impressive, it's been 7 months since I raced.
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posted December 12, 2011 12:19 PM
I like the idea of nick names "pecker head" - makes me laugh, heard "bro" kinda funny also heard "douche" not as funny we might be on to something kind of loosen everyone up as we don't really know each other for the most part.
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Hayabusa14
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posted December 12, 2011 02:33 PM
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I have a 2007 SE ZX14 and a 2012 SE ZX14R. I like them both. I'm sure I will build the 2007 for my track bike and ride the 2012 on the sreet with it doing some track time also.
have you done any test comparison on both of your bikes.. maybe a few rollons see how bad the zx14r pulls away from zx14..?
No not really. My 07 is "Brocked " out, (piped, flys out, power commander and its 5" longer]. But the 2012 feels shronger than the 07 pass 7000 rpm. Hopefully next Saturday I will have it at the 1/4 mile track [SGMP}.
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2012 SE-ZX14R [CT Meg-PC5 with street map-Evil swingarm 64" wheelbase-JRI shock], 2009 GSXR 1000, 2008 B-King, 2007 SE-ZX14 "Brocked out" - 1999 Hayabusa "stage 1" Turbo
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Audioboyz
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posted December 12, 2011 02:41 PM
I couldn't care less what they do stretched.I ride on the street and want to have fun with the extra power.
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JZX
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posted December 12, 2011 04:00 PM
Edited By: JZX on 13 Dec 2011 00:20
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now wee 2012 don't be an azz you know what bike makes 30 hp more that the last model.
You also know there is now comparing the new to the old. I just wish you would ride the new one stock as it comes form the store then ride a old one stock then ride a stock genII busa and show the results. Now that would be something someone on this site would like to here you talk about.
Your an average riders so please do a test and let us know if the busa is still the quickest stock out the store bike or is it the new 14. I know lowered and stretched it should be. but we want to know stock .
The last time the Busa had that title of the of quickest "stock out of the store" was over a decade ago.. Bill Clinton was president then bro- can I call you "bro" ? You been drinkin too much kool- aid..
I guess we have to see what "avg rider" mr.Wee has to say about it.
Yes you can call me bro that if its ok if I call you Pecker head. You seem a lot racist to me and I'm sure Mr. wee don't mind you calling him Bro either.
First of all every mag that hast test both has tested the busa faster. Not me or you I just wanted to see how the new bikes compares stock for stock. Shoot he already said the new 14 is unridable stock height and lenth. Please shut up and let someone with something smart to say talk.
By looking at the way you type, if YOU did have anything intellegent to say, we wouldn't be able to tell. Racist? yeah right- if you paid attention to this forum you would know the "kool aid" comments are sarcastic in nature from recent threads- so don't get butt- hurt about it. You seem hell bent on finding out what most already know the answer to. But a suggestion- if I may, why don't you set up a race with a stock busa of your own, maybe a friend? I'm sure there would be a few 14R owners willing to show you the reality of tail lights- all the way down the track.
If you were in Texas we would be sitting on your front porch, eatin cheeseburgers waiting for you.
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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posted December 12, 2011 04:29 PM
So a little math 170 to 195 shows a 14% increase in power. I chose 170 for the average piped 14 ( seems to be a common result on dyno shoot outs) and 195 for the 14r ( I've read high 180's to 200 on the 14r with or without mods). Just thought id throw this out there, guys are acting like the old 14's are slow now over umteen % increase in hp.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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shawnski
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posted December 12, 2011 04:49 PM
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So a little math 170 to 195 shows a 14% increase in power. I chose 170 for the average piped 14 ( seems to be a common result on dyno shoot outs) and 195 for the 14r ( I've read high 180's to 200 on the 14r with or without mods). Just thought id throw this out there, guys are acting like the old 14's are slow now over umteen % increase in hp.
..and remember 30lbs weight increase has no effect on result outcome.
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