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posted December 09, 2011 09:44 AM
Rickey im lookin at ur dyno screen on each run the 011 tack was in the yellow and shut down the 012 went all the way into the red before it hit any limiter! yes it breathes better with those stock cans than the 011 but i bet the 011 with just a removal of its cans and grind the counter shaft bolt would surprize prize u! all im saying is this, if ur a dragracer all that electronic stuff doesnt matter,and if KAWI would have made the 14 a 1400cc in the first place like it should have been we would have been 5 steps ahead already.
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posted December 09, 2011 09:51 AM
I guess you didn't hook the sniffer up?
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posted December 09, 2011 10:02 AM
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Don't quote me on this but I think the days of picking up alot of hp just by adding a pipe,filter, and pc MIGHT(and i said might) be a thing of the past!
My 2011 ZX10 proved that to me in a big way!
It still has a slip on.......
Too late!
I quoted you!
Brock hinted at this earlier, and the dyno chart seems to support that by going all the way to the limiter with essentially no drop.
Exhaust will get rid of 30 lbs. and we now know how important 30 lbs is!!!
A Candy Surf Blue is sitting in my garage waiting for the big brown truck to show up ..........
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posted December 09, 2011 10:02 AM
Oh and at 300lbs suited, i trap at 149mph and with my bike geared for my weight at 63inhes on 93 pump gas fitlre in and Mr. Gadson with a 1.48 60ft went 8.61@168 mph and its a 1417cc, JE pistons,stock cams not degreed, head not milled .025 head gasket,ports matched and cleaned up ,counter bals removed ,valvoline 10-40 w motorcycle oil, tsukigi sidewinder,tune by HTP.
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posted December 09, 2011 11:55 AM
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Oh and at 300lbs suited, i trap at 149mph and with my bike geared for my weight at 63inhes on 93 pump gas fitlre in and Mr. Gadson with a 1.48 60ft went 8.61@168 mph and its a 1417cc, JE pistons,stock cams not degreed, head not milled .025 head gasket,ports matched and cleaned up ,counter bals removed ,valvoline 10-40 w motorcycle oil, tsukigi sidewinder,tune by HTP.
168 mph, motor only??? Wow!
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posted December 09, 2011 12:47 PM
yes motor u should see it go on the 40shot. on the bottle!
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posted December 09, 2011 12:55 PM
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yes motor u should see it go on the 40shot. on the bottle!
Just imagine what a 2mm bore with 13.5:1 pistons and a 40 shot will do on the new 14 ;-)
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posted December 09, 2011 01:38 PM
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Don't quote me on this but I think the days of picking up alot of hp just by adding a pipe,filter, and pc MIGHT(and i said might) be a thing of the past!
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I wonder what the 2011 would do with the 2012 exh? everything else stock
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posted December 09, 2011 01:48 PM
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Don't quote me on this but I think the days of picking up alot of hp just by adding a pipe,filter, and pc MIGHT(and i said might) be a thing of the past!
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I wonder what the 2011 would do with the 2012 exh? everything else stock
We should see the result soon enough.
I don't know if I should be happy the the new 14R is as powerful as it is or should I be pissed that I won't be getting one anytime soon.
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posted December 09, 2011 01:52 PM
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I wonder what the 2011 would do with the 2012 exh? everything else stock
What will it do? It's a given it will make it uglier!! That Muzzy and the Brocks pipes sure look sweet!
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posted December 09, 2011 01:55 PM
A wise man would wait on a salvage yard to call with a 012 motor and install it in his 06-011 and save a mint!!!!!!!!!!! unless u really need all the little bells and whistles.
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posted December 09, 2011 02:04 PM
Looks like there having fire sales on E-Bay.$9995 for brand new 2011 ZX-14.Gues my 2009 wouldn't be worth squat.
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posted December 09, 2011 02:32 PM
Ok Lets say the new ZX14R only picks up 6 HP with a aftermarket exhaust and not the 12 or 13 HP the old bike did ...So what !! That still puts me at 201+ HP with no tune on pump gas ....And a plus is the bike lost 32 ponds of dead weight .... I'm happy .. 
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posted December 09, 2011 02:34 PM
So what I'm getting from all of this is that out of the box, we have a big difference between the 14 and 14R - but comparing a 14 and 14R once both have the basic "pipe and tune" treatment MIGHT yield a considerably less difference. Hmmmm - building an old Gen 1 bike to specs like Kawpower's might not be a bad idea....
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posted December 09, 2011 02:41 PM
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So what I'm getting from all of this is that out of the box, we have a big difference between the 14 and 14R - but comparing a 14 and 14R once both have the basic "pipe and tune" treatment MIGHT yield a considerably less difference. Hmmmm - building an old Gen 1 bike to specs like Kawpower's might not be a bad idea....
The Jury is still out on that ... My 09 made 175 at it best .. Roaring toys preproduction bike made 204 .. And we know that bike wasn't right to start with .. that's still 29 HP gain .. this production bike is making more power to start off with and when modded may make more power when it all said and done .. So it may hold that 30 hp gain and maybe a bit more ..
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posted December 09, 2011 03:08 PM
CraZX14 if your ever in the maket for a nice used set of 1417 nitrous pistons let me know,im going Chis Jones turbo with 2mil turbo pistons as we speak, and i still got enough leftover to buy a red 010 leftover . for 7895.00 all that with the money i was gonna spend on the 012!
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posted December 09, 2011 03:34 PM
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So what I'm getting from all of this is that out of the box, we have a big difference between the 14 and 14R - but comparing a 14 and 14R once both have the basic "pipe and tune" treatment MIGHT yield a considerably less difference.
+1 Ditto........we will see as soon as someone puts both bikes with basic mods on the dyno one after the other same day. There WILL be a difference......but maybe not so much as comparing the 100% stock bikes. There is also the weight difference between the two, about 17/18 lbs when both are piped as far as I can tell. How much does it cost to lose 18 lbs AFTER the exhaust is changed? Can't wait hear from Jim @ CNC........... 
Congrats to all with the new 14R.......and thanks for all the info.....wee, Rickey G, Brock and smokin all have gone out of thier way to keep us up to date.And I am sure Shane will start a new thread on the 14R........
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posted December 09, 2011 03:46 PM
Yes, thanks indeed to all those 2012 pioneers for keeping us informed!
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posted December 09, 2011 03:51 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 10 Dec 2011 00:09
If i get a chance i will weigh mine ... Mine is set up the same way as my old one was .. With a gallon and a half of gas i was right at 505 pounds ..
The new bike seems to have a bit more padding , extra fan , The frame is a bit larger at the steering head , Air filter is a little larger , swing arm has a bit off extra bracing ...You have to remove 6 pounds for the lighter wheels .. All that might add up to 10 pounds extra weight If that .. Not that much if you look at the big picture ..
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posted December 09, 2011 04:08 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 10 Dec 2011 00:10
As far as modded power we will have to wait and see what the pros like Brock do with the bike ... I have the feeling the power gains will be less than what we got on the Gen1 bikes .. Pipe and tune we were seeing 13 + or - a few HP .. Gen 2 bike may only see 8 to 9 HP because this bike seems to be high state of tune from the factory .. I don't see how it really matters because 195 HP Ricky got was with 12 miles on the bike .. We know as a fact this bikes pick up 6 or 7 HP with some miles on the clock and an oil change to full syn oil .. This bike stock with some break in may just touch 200 HP STD 197 SAE .. Add all the mods up and you maybe looking at 210 HP .. Toss in just 5 HP for the Ram air 215 HP , If it's true and you really get 10 HP from the ram air that means 220 HP running down the track .. Right where a 1441 motor should be .. We don't even have a clue what this bike is going to do with the flys removed ....
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posted December 09, 2011 04:12 PM
i kept my 06 pretty stock.. this bike i am going all out..I want to run 200 in the mile with a stock motor.
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posted December 09, 2011 04:24 PM
From what I read, I gather that if someone buys a first gen and wants to do a 1417 kit, unless you are doing the work yourself, you have to pay somebody to do the work (which I guess is anywhere from 1,000. to 1,500 for labor depending on who does the work than there is parts , now for one you can't have a warranty its performance work, your working the cooling system a little harder, the cylinder liner is a little thinner the biggest thing is no warranty. so if I buy a used bike I am gonna have go through it anyway, unless someone can prove work was done recently. Now for someone who is looking for another bike used or new. I would think the better route is the new fourteen, because it's more than just the bigger motor that you're getting for that money. So if you have an older zx 14 it's understandable why someone wouldn't want to get a new one because of the money loss that is gonna happen. But that doesn't take away from the fact that there is alot of substantial improvements in the new bike over the old one. I've done motor builds and it is going to be nice for a change that I don't have to do anything for a while because with a stock motor this bike is going to do everything I need it to do.
That said, I don't take anything away from guys who have some badass older 14s and I get why this bike isn't different enough to get a new ride. I hope everyone enjoys whatever they have
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posted December 09, 2011 04:39 PM
Warranty lol
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posted December 09, 2011 04:51 PM
Kawpower your comparison of your bike with a 1417 to the new stock bike and not being impressed doesn't make sense. Does your bike do it and meet emissions? No. If the factory decided to make a race bike versus yours you would be toast. Anyway time will prove this bike has to run especially with bigger throttle body mod and a pipe and tune. They must have left a chunk off the top end with 44mm TBs look at the zx10r 47s I don't see how this bike can flow enough air with smallish TBs.
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posted December 09, 2011 04:53 PM
Hey Kaw-rick is there something funny about warranty guess I am not getting it, I work at bike dealership have had an extended warranty on every bike bike I have bought and they have payed for themselves many times over so I don't get the humour.
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