quote:12 r seems a bit bitter.... I guess just when he thought 12rs had hit bottom of the $$$$ barrel he got shown a dyno sheet proving him wrong again..... Don't hate, appreciate.. its not like just one person is saying it...
quote:And by the way, my gen 1 with stock exhuast, sec pulled and a air cleaner only made 172.. so the numbers being put up are right on the money.[/quo
30 lb heavier... Have you consider that??
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posted December 08, 2011 07:43 PM
i think you guys are getting it all wrong .. i don't give hoot what a dyno says .. where are the bikes at with the track numbers .. .so far wee is it 6.34@118mph.. i guess in another month we may have some more track runs ..
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posted December 08, 2011 07:48 PM
on the street, on the highway, those big dyno numbers equate to big mph roll ons that tend to happen between most normal people. track times wil come with warm temps.
posted December 08, 2011 07:49 PM
Edited By: shawnski on 9 Dec 2011 03:50
quote:i think you guys are getting it all wrong .. i don't give hoot what a dyno says .. where are the bikes at with the track numbers .. .so far wee is it 6.34@118mph.. i guess in another month we may have some more track runs ..
Did you watch my video here? What weight can do for the more HP?
Taking in.to.track and extend it lowered it add or drop a tooth does not justify anything about the real stock bike. I like to see some roll ons
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posted December 08, 2011 08:24 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 9 Dec 2011 04:25
quote:
quote:i think you guys are getting it all wrong .. i don't give hoot what a dyno says .. where are the bikes at with the track numbers .. .so far wee is it 6.34@118mph.. i guess in another month we may have some more track runs ..
Did you watch my video here? What weight can do for the more HP?
Taking in.to.track and extend it lowered it add or drop a tooth does not justify anything about the real stock bike. I like to see some roll ons
yes but this is guys that have own a gen 1 and now own a gen 2 .. they know their best numbers .. heck most have their number's in their sig's.. so the claimed 30hp to 41hp gained should smash all their previous mph and times .. and their can't be more than 10lbs of weight differance with the cans removed from the gen's.. remember the gen 2 has lighter wheels .. trust me nobody knows more about power to weight ratio effects than me ..
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posted December 08, 2011 08:28 PM
Edited By: shawnski on 9 Dec 2011 04:28
quote:
quote:
quote:i think you guys are getting it all wrong .. i don't give hoot what a dyno says .. where are the bikes at with the track numbers .. .so far wee is it 6.34@118mph.. i guess in another month we may have some more track runs ..
Did you watch my video here? What weight can do for the more HP?
Taking in.to.track and extend it lowered it add or drop a tooth does not justify anything about the real stock bike. I like to see some roll ons
yes but this is guys that have own a gen 1 and now own a gen 2 .. they know their best numbers .. heck most have their number's in their sig's.. so the claimed 30hp to 41hp gained should smash all their previous mph and times .. and their can't be more than 10lbs of weight differance with the cans removed from the gen's.. remember the gen 2 has lighter wheels .. trust me nobody knows more about power to weight ratio effects than me ..
i think it is only 5 lb difference! so.. what the 25 lb difference can do on hp difference... just curious?
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1bad, I know you're a hunter, but I didn't know you were a fisherman.
Throw the bait out and real them suckas in ..................
.................. don't think this one's a keeper though ......
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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
posted December 09, 2011 05:21 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 9 Dec 2011 13:28
hey lucky strap 25lbs to your ass and hit the track .. you'll see what 30hp will do for you..
posted December 09, 2011 05:52 AM
Edited By: Lucky14 on 9 Dec 2011 13:53
quote:hey lucky strap 25lbs to your ass and hit the track .. you'll see what 30hp will do for you..
theres a reason why RG complains about running JT on the same bikes.. 40lbs
You must be joking!
Your argument is full of holes and avoids any hint of reality.
I can give you all the math about pounds per HP, more torque at any rpm, area under the curve, but lets go with your silly argument.
OK, RG and JTeach on an "old" 14, but RG gets a 40 shot of nitrous. You're saying JT still wins???
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If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
posted December 09, 2011 07:28 AM
Edited By: shawnski on 9 Dec 2011 15:30
either this is correct or someone's scale was off!
Kawasaki Ninja ZX-14
Manufacturer Kawasaki
Also called ZZR1400 (Europe and Japan)
Production since 2006
Predecessor Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R
Class Sport bike
Engine 1,352 cc (82.5 cu in) four-stroke, liquid-cooled, DOHC, four valve per cylinder, inline-four
Bore / Stroke 84.0 x 61.0 mm
Power 190 hp (201 with ram air effect at 120mph [1]
Torque 113.5 ft·lbf / 153.9 Nm @ 7,500 rpm. (123.5 with ram air effect @ 120mph)[citation needed]
Transmission 6-speed, X-ring chain
Suspension Front: 43 mm inverted cartridge fork with adjustable preload, stepless rebound and compression damping adjustments / 4.6 in travel
Rear: Uni-Trak with adjustable preload, stepless rebound and compression damping adjustments, adjustable ride height / 4.8 in travel
Brakes Front: Dual semi-floating 310 mm petal discs with dual radial-mounted four-piston calipers
Rear: Single 250 mm petal disc with twin-piston caliper
Rake, Trail 23 degrees / 94 mm (3.7 in)
Wheelbase 57.5 in (1,461 mm)
Dimensions L 85.4 in (2,169 mm)
W 29.9 in (759 mm)
H 46.1 in (1,171 mm)
Seat height 31.5 in (800 mm)
Weight 474 lb, 215 kg / 485 lb, 220 kg (2008) (dry)
555 lb, 251.7 kg (wet)
Fuel capacity 22 L (4.8 imp gal; 5.8 US gal)
Related 1400GTR (Concou
Type 4-stroke, In-Line Four
Displacement 1,441cc
Bore and Stroke 84.0 x 65.0 mm
Cooling Liquid
Compression Ratio 12.3:1
Valve System DOHC, sixteen valves (4 valves per cylinder)
Fuel System DFI with 44 mm Mikuni Throttle Bodies (4)
Ignition Digital
Lubrication Forced lubrication (wet sump with cooler)
DRIVETRAIN
Transmission 6-speed, return, certain neutral finder
Final Drive Sealed chain
Primary Reduction Ratio 1.556 (84/54)
Gear Ratio: 1st 2.611(47/18)
Gear Ratio: 2nd 1.947 (37/19)
Gear Ratio: 3rd 1.545 (34/22)
Gear Ratio: 4th 1.333 (32/24)
Gear Ratio: 5th 1.154 (30/26)
Gear Ratio: 6th 1.036 (29/28)
Final Reduction Ratio 2.471 (42/17)
Clutch Wet multi-disc, manual
FRAME
Type Monocoque, aluminium
Wheel Travel: Front 117 mm (4.6 in.)
Tire: Front 120/70ZR17M/C (58W)
Wheel Travel: Rear 124 mm (4.9 in.)
Tire: Rear 190/50ZR17M/C (73W)
Caster (Rake) 23º
Trail 93 mm (3.7 in.)
Steering Angle (Left/Right) 31º / 31º
SUSPENSION
Suspension, Front 43 mm inverted cartridge fork. with tractable preload, stepless miscarry and application damping adjustments
Suspension, Rear Bottom-Link Uni-Trak and gas-charged startle with tractable preload, stepless miscarry and application damping adjustments
BRAKES
Front: Type Dual semi-floating 310 mm petal discs
Front: Calipers Dual radial-mount, against 4-piston, 4-pad
Rear: Type Single 250 mm petal disc
Rear: Calipers Opposed, twin-piston
DIMENSIONS
Overall Length 2,170 mm (85.4 in.)
Overall Width 770 mm (30.3 in.)
Overall Height 1,170 mm (46.1 in.)
Wheelbase 1,480 mm (58.3 in.)
Ground Clearance 125 mm (4.9 in.)
Seat Height 800 mm (31.5 in.)
Curb Mass** 265 kg (584.2 lbs.)
Fuel Capacity twenty-two litres (4.8 gal.)
Fuel Consumption N/A
PERFORMANCE
Maximum Power‡ N/A
Maximum Power with Ram Air‡ N/A
Maximum Torque‡ N/A
Source : 1 , 2
posted December 09, 2011 09:27 AM
Edited By: shawnski on 9 Dec 2011 18:19
quote:
quote:Just curious how much more weight the 2012 has vs. 1st gen. Minus the big cans in both?? 25 lb??
i guess no one knows!
that's what i like to see gen1 vs. gen2 roll on
guys i am not talking just drag racing only.. i am talking roll ons..I am talking power to weight ratio .... look at the video : the more powerful zx14 vs hayabusa got smoked really bad by the 50lb heavier rider!! they trade riders and you saw the busa got smoked!! now tell me the weight has no significant factor.. maybe because the fat guy could not ride the zx14!! lol
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posted December 09, 2011 10:08 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 9 Dec 2011 18:08
quote:
quote:hey lucky strap 25lbs to your ass and hit the track .. you'll see what 30hp will do for you..
theres a reason why RG complains about running JT on the same bikes.. 40lbs
You must be joking!
Your argument is full of holes and avoids any hint of reality.
I can give you all the math about pounds per HP, more torque at any rpm, area under the curve, but lets go with your silly argument.
OK, RG and JTeach on an "old" 14, but RG gets a 40 shot of nitrous. You're saying JT still wins???
are you stupid or something ..math don't win races .. now read this really slow .. same bikes like 2 zx14r .. 1 lane by RG and 1 lane by JT .. I GOT MY MONEY ON JT . why because 40lbs of less weight.. i'd even go as far as to say that if they both lined up RG on a 2012 zx14 and JT on an 08 busa.. i'd put my money on the busa.. but since you race with math it never happen
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posted December 09, 2011 10:21 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 9 Dec 2011 18:22
quote:
the more powerful zx14 vs hayabusa got smoked by the 50lb heavier rider!! they trade riders and you saw the busa got smoked!! now tell me the weight has no significant factor..
quote:hey lucky strap 25lbs to your ass and hit the track .. you'll see what 30hp will do for you..
theres a reason why RG complains about running JT on the same bikes.. 40lbs
You must be joking!
Your argument is full of holes and avoids any hint of reality.
I can give you all the math about pounds per HP, more torque at any rpm, area under the curve, but lets go with your silly argument.
OK, RG and JTeach on an "old" 14, but RG gets a 40 shot of nitrous. You're saying JT still wins???
are you stupid or something ..math don't win races .. now read this really slow .. same bikes like 2 zx14r .. 1 lane by RG and 1 lane by JT .. I GOT MY MONEY ON JT . why because 40lbs of less weight.. i'd even go as far as to say that if they both lined up RG on a 2012 zx14 and JT on an 08 busa.. i'd put my money on the busa.. but since you race with math it never happen
This is what you always do - change the premise constantly so it looks like you are right.
OK, you win. Equal bikes, equal riders except one weighs 40 lbs, less - the lighter rider wins. WOW! We can all learn from you.
Now back to my question that for every lb. added to the new 14R we add 1 HP (actually 18 more lbs. and 30 more hp) and you say that's a wash. What logic are you using here? You really believe that the 14R is no faster or quicker???
As far as math, it has played a big part in drag racing from the beginning, but I know you won't understand that ................
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You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
posted December 09, 2011 11:11 AM
1bad its just a hater and a stubborn guy that hates loosing! The busa is a pig and cant be compared to the new 14!! I kill busas here with my old 14 now Imagine what I would do to them if I had the 2012 model.
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Team Madness Racing
quote: This is what you always do - change the premise constantly so it looks like you are right.
OK, you win. Equal bikes, equal riders except one weighs 40 lbs, less - the lighter rider wins. WOW! We can all learn from you.
Now back to my question that for every lb. added to the new 14R we add 1 HP (actually 18 more lbs. and 30 more hp) and you say that's a wash. What logic are you using here? You really believe that the 14R is no faster or quicker???
As far as math, it has played a big part in drag racing from the beginning, but I know you won't understand that ................
i didn't change shit .. you come in with nitrious added and this and that..
what i said 30 hp to a 25lbs weight gain is about even odds .. if you don't believe me just go to the race track ..just let somebody 25lbs lighter than you ride your bike ..i'd bet they trap more mph than you can . so in other words don't race 2011 zx14's or busa's with 25lb lighter riders it just may be an even race to your 30 more hp bike..
____________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI
posted December 09, 2011 11:19 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 9 Dec 2011 19:21
quote:1bad its just a hater and a stubborn guy that hates loosing! The busa is a pig and cant be compared to the new 14!! I kill busas here with my old 14 now Imagine what I would do to them if I had the 2012 model.
quote:1bad its just a hater and a stubborn guy that hates loosing! The busa is a pig and cant be compared to the new 14!! I kill busas here with my old 14 now Imagine what I would do to them if I had the 2012 model.
no one compare busa to new zx14.. we are talking 1st gen zx14 and 2nd gen zx14r..we are talking stock apple to apple.. we are talking weight difference and power to weight ratio.. tha's all..
the video above shows a good example.. that is all. why is it so hard to admit it..now who is stubborn now? those guys had mutual interest on both bikes in the video.. they just wanted to see what hp vs. weight ratio can do.. i don't care if this was honda or ducati...
posted December 09, 2011 11:27 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 9 Dec 2011 19:30
quote:The busa is a pig and cant be compared to the new 14!! I kill busas here with my old 14 now Imagine what I would do to them if I had the 2012 model.
looks like you got your ass drug by a gen 1 busa.. no excuses you lost to a gen 1 busa
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