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posted December 04, 2011 05:20 AM
take your zx 1400r with a full glass of water....its good medicine
  
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posted December 04, 2011 07:45 AM
Thanks for the great info!
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posted December 04, 2011 09:02 AM
Wow, I go away for a couple of days and everything changes ....Congrats on the new bike and good luck next week.
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posted December 04, 2011 09:15 AM
Been watching your threads smokin...glad to see things can change and go this direction! Good luck on the health..congrats on the pretty blue!
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pazx14rider
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posted December 04, 2011 09:32 AM
Hey Lee do you think Kawi held back on the ECU like the new 10 and a flash would open a new world with the bike?
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posted December 04, 2011 09:50 AM
Lee I'm just seeing this thread, CONGRATS on that sweet ride!
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posted December 04, 2011 09:52 AM
Lets ride!
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posted December 04, 2011 09:53 AM
I'm scared to see his bike bigtdt, I think I might want one. Hating the comments on better fit and finish, better suspension. and even better brakes than our old ones had!
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CraZX14
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posted December 04, 2011 12:14 PM
Glad you're feeling better, Lee. Congrats on the new ride and thanks for the info.
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dbeadling
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posted December 04, 2011 02:31 PM
bigger badder better
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posted December 04, 2011 03:11 PM
Smokin good to see you getting better and you got a new 14r, are you gonna do a baseline dyno run in stock form, I would like to know what that thing puts down in all stock trim.
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posted December 04, 2011 03:12 PM
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Smokin good to see you getting better and you got a new 14r, are you gonna do a baseline dyno run in stock form, I would like to know what that thing puts down in all stock trim.
Me too, i would like to see what it puts down stock,BUT after its beat on & loosen up a little..Take care Lee
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smokinZX14
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posted December 04, 2011 03:29 PM
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Smokin good to see you getting better and you got a new 14r, are you gonna do a baseline dyno run in stock form, I would like to know what that thing puts down in all stock trim.
Me too, i would like to see what it puts down stock,BUT after its beat on & loosen up a little..Take care Lee
"CajunBoyz"
No i did not dyno it stock .. Teddy and I sold our dyno a while back .. I don't know anyone around here that has a dyno .. Butt dyno feels like 180+ stock , maybe a bit more .. It sure didn't feel like Roys 1530 with 198 HP ... Maybe now it has 190+ since i have installed the pipe ...
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posted December 04, 2011 03:45 PM
 Edited By: smokinZX14 on 4 Dec 2011 23:46
Just a note guys : I used 3 hole lowering links and i dropped it all the way down as far as the would go .... Working on the pipe today i noticed the tire had rubbed the underside of the rear fender ... I'm only 140 pounds and it rubs .. I'm going to raise it up one hole so it doesn't rub ... So even you light weight guys should keep this in mind ...Heavier guys might want to change over to a tiger under tail to gain some room to slam the bike ... Good news the pipe and oil pan have lots of ground clearance ..
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posted December 04, 2011 07:45 PM
Edited By: Rideharder on 5 Dec 2011 03:46
Very good information. You should really put a donation link in your signature..
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posted December 05, 2011 02:20 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
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posted December 05, 2011 04:35 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
I do think a new pipe may have just a bit more power .. Trying to use the gen 1 pipe may limit power a few HP up top ... We will have to see what Brock comes up with .. I do know he is Busy working on it ..
The thing right now holding the bike back is the damn flys , just like 06 all over again ..
It clear to me when i ride the bike that it was way more TQ than the gen 1 but you can still feel the fly holding back even more power .. You saw the problems Ricky was having in first gear keeping the front end down so there is no problem with the stock power out put .. Pull the flys out you better have some extra wheel base !!! What was Brocks dyno numbers at Vegas 204 hp 125 TQ ?.. Pull the flys it going to have over a 100 TQ at 3500 to 4000 RPMs
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posted December 05, 2011 04:41 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
I do think a new pipe may have just a bit more power .. Trying to use the gen 1 pipe may limit power a few HP up top ... We will have to see what Brock comes up with .. I do know he is Busy working on it ..
The thing right now holding the bike back is the damn flys , just like 06 all over again ..
It clear to me when i ride the bike that it was way more TQ than the gen 1 but you can still feel the fly holding back even more power .. You saw the problems Ricky was having in first gear keeping the front end down so there is no problem with the stock power out put .. Pull the flys out you better have some extra wheel base !!! What was Brocks dyno numbers at Vegas 204 hp 125 TQ ?.. Pull the flys it going to have over a 100 TQ at 3500 to 4000 RPMs
look at RG's dyno chart, the 14r is almost even with the gen 1 at lower rpm, then it takes off at 7k. didn't I say the secondaries were just starting to open at 7k? lol you just hit the nail on the head Smokin.
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posted December 05, 2011 04:49 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
I do think a new pipe may have just a bit more power .. Trying to use the gen 1 pipe may limit power a few HP up top ... We will have to see what Brock comes up with .. I do know he is Busy working on it ..
The thing right now holding the bike back is the damn flys , just like 06 all over again ..
It clear to me when i ride the bike that it was way more TQ than the gen 1 but you can still feel the fly holding back even more power .. You saw the problems Ricky was having in first gear keeping the front end down so there is no problem with the stock power out put .. Pull the flys out you better have some extra wheel base !!! What was Brocks dyno numbers at Vegas 204 hp 125 TQ ?.. Pull the flys it going to have over a 100 TQ at 3500 to 4000 RPMs
look at RG's dyno chart, the 14r is almost even with the gen 1 at lower rpm, then it takes off at 7k. didn't I say the secondaries were just starting to open at 7k? lol you just hit the nail on the head Smokin.
wee
that Gen 1 may be piped and tuned or it may be stock, RG hasn't told us yet.
wee
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posted December 05, 2011 04:51 PM
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Hey Lee do you think Kawi held back on the ECU like the new 10 and a flash would open a new world with the bike?
Looking at dyno charts it looks like it's not restricted up top like the zx10, at 9800rpm on the zx10 you can see the power plummet, because it closes the butterflies and pulls some timing. Doesn't look like that happens on the 14r, pulls all the way to redline
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posted December 05, 2011 04:51 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
I do think a new pipe may have just a bit more power .. Trying to use the gen 1 pipe may limit power a few HP up top ... We will have to see what Brock comes up with .. I do know he is Busy working on it ..
The thing right now holding the bike back is the damn flys , just like 06 all over again ..
It clear to me when i ride the bike that it was way more TQ than the gen 1 but you can still feel the fly holding back even more power .. You saw the problems Ricky was having in first gear keeping the front end down so there is no problem with the stock power out put .. Pull the flys out you better have some extra wheel base !!! What was Brocks dyno numbers at Vegas 204 hp 125 TQ ?.. Pull the flys it going to have over a 100 TQ at 3500 to 4000 RPMs
look at RG's dyno chart, the 14r is almost even with the gen 1 at lower rpm, then it takes off at 7k. didn't I say the secondaries were just starting to open at 7k? lol you just hit the nail on the head Smokin.
wee
+1 Wee .. You pulled yours out of your ZX14R and felt the difference right away .. Just like the 2006 zx14 .. I felt the damn things holding back on the very first ride ....
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posted December 05, 2011 04:54 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
I do think a new pipe may have just a bit more power .. Trying to use the gen 1 pipe may limit power a few HP up top ... We will have to see what Brock comes up with .. I do know he is Busy working on it ..
The thing right now holding the bike back is the damn flys , just like 06 all over again ..
It clear to me when i ride the bike that it was way more TQ than the gen 1 but you can still feel the fly holding back even more power .. You saw the problems Ricky was having in first gear keeping the front end down so there is no problem with the stock power out put .. Pull the flys out you better have some extra wheel base !!! What was Brocks dyno numbers at Vegas 204 hp 125 TQ ?.. Pull the flys it going to have over a 100 TQ at 3500 to 4000 RPMs
look at RG's dyno chart, the 14r is almost even with the gen 1 at lower rpm, then it takes off at 7k. didn't I say the secondaries were just starting to open at 7k? lol you just hit the nail on the head Smokin.
wee
+1 Wee .. You pulled yours out of your ZX14R and felt the difference right away .. Just like the 2006 zx14 .. I felt the damn things holding back on the very first ride ....
first ride the 14r feels very strong, it's the torque, it aint the hp.
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posted December 05, 2011 06:42 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
I do think a new pipe may have just a bit more power .. Trying to use the gen 1 pipe may limit power a few HP up top ... We will have to see what Brock comes up with .. I do know he is Busy working on it ..
The thing right now holding the bike back is the damn flys , just like 06 all over again ..
It clear to me when i ride the bike that it was way more TQ than the gen 1 but you can still feel the fly holding back even more power .. You saw the problems Ricky was having in first gear keeping the front end down so there is no problem with the stock power out put .. Pull the flys out you better have some extra wheel base !!! What was Brocks dyno numbers at Vegas 204 hp 125 TQ ?.. Pull the flys it going to have over a 100 TQ at 3500 to 4000 RPMs
look at RG's dyno chart, the 14r is almost even with the gen 1 at lower rpm, then it takes off at 7k. didn't I say the secondaries were just starting to open at 7k? lol you just hit the nail on the head Smokin.
wee
+1 Wee .. You pulled yours out of your ZX14R and felt the difference right away .. Just like the 2006 zx14 .. I felt the damn things holding back on the very first ride ....
first ride the 14r feels very strong, it's the torque, it aint the hp.
wee
Thanks..........thats exactly the info I was looking for.!!!!
If there's more to be had with simple mods like pulling the flies thats even better.............there was a HUGE difference when I pulled the flies and geared my 2006........i'm sure its not as restricted as the 2006 but any decent gains are gravy as far as I'm concerned
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posted December 05, 2011 08:45 PM
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Any idea when Brock is gonna have pipes specifically for the ZX 14R?
From what i understand the CT and the TI sidewinder are good for this bike and need no upgrading .. It's the Smeg and alien head that will be upgraded ..
Lee, Brock said in one of the recent Video's that due to the enormous torque the new ZX 14R puts out he thinks he is going to have to redesign pipes specifically for this bike in order to squeeze the most horsepower out of this bike....................you stated you felt the power was somehow restricted...................i'm wondering if I could infer from both of your statements that Brock was thinking that this bike has TONS of torque to sacrifice and that to squueze the most usuable power out of it it would make sense to design a bigger pipe that provides a few more top end horsepower and gives up a little lowend torque but then gets that lowend torque back by pulling the flies and giving it a good map.
What do you think????
I do think a new pipe may have just a bit more power .. Trying to use the gen 1 pipe may limit power a few HP up top ... We will have to see what Brock comes up with .. I do know he is Busy working on it ..
The thing right now holding the bike back is the damn flys , just like 06 all over again ..
It clear to me when i ride the bike that it was way more TQ than the gen 1 but you can still feel the fly holding back even more power .. You saw the problems Ricky was having in first gear keeping the front end down so there is no problem with the stock power out put .. Pull the flys out you better have some extra wheel base !!! What was Brocks dyno numbers at Vegas 204 hp 125 TQ ?.. Pull the flys it going to have over a 100 TQ at 3500 to 4000 RPMs
look at RG's dyno chart, the 14r is almost even with the gen 1 at lower rpm, then it takes off at 7k. didn't I say the secondaries were just starting to open at 7k? lol you just hit the nail on the head Smokin.
wee
+1 Wee .. You pulled yours out of your ZX14R and felt the difference right away .. Just like the 2006 zx14 .. I felt the damn things holding back on the very first ride ....
first ride the 14r feels very strong, it's the torque, it aint the hp.
wee
Thanks..........thats exactly the info I was looking for.!!!!
If there's more to be had with simple mods like pulling the flies thats even better.............there was a HUGE difference when I pulled the flies and geared my 2006........i'm sure its not as restricted as the 2006 but any decent gains are gravy as far as I'm concerned
1441 . cams , head work , my bet it's more restricted that the low end than 06 ZX14 ..
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posted December 06, 2011 02:28 AM
somebody should tell nasa....they are looking for a new rocket ship
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