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posted November 13, 2011 09:27 AM
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How much do you think those heavy aftermarket wheels are hurting the bike hes riding? If that's the argument.
The bike went 9.31@149.8 at Vegas-start from there and just change the DA to where he is now. You are within a tenth.
Actually, they said that it is running the stock rear wheel, which is lighter than the old 14 wheel.
The front is heavier, but that is weight up front in the best possible place that is helping keep the front end down at stock wheel base. That's part of the secret here!
I know - rotating weight hurts, but not that big a factor here.
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posted November 13, 2011 09:29 AM
From brocks facebook
Stock bike/engine/wheelbase/foot-shifting with no ballast. Add my pipe and pc +lowered and MR12. Oh yeah... it has plenty of billet bolt-on bling to slow it down!
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Lucky14
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posted November 13, 2011 09:34 AM
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From brocks facebook
Stock bike/engine/wheelbase/foot-shifting with no ballast. Add my pipe and pc +lowered and MR12. Oh yeah... it has plenty of billet bolt-on bling to slow it down!
It has ballast, it is just not apparent - the front wheel, as I posted above.
MR12. What's that worth - a tenth and a half and a couple of mph???
Back that off to pump gas, and where are we???
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ZX14Mike
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posted November 13, 2011 09:34 AM
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How much do you think those heavy aftermarket wheels are hurting the bike hes riding? If that's the argument.
The bike went 9.31@149.8 at Vegas-start from there and just change the DA to where he is now. You are within a tenth.
Gotta give Ricky credit for riding the wheels off that thing and at least trying to get some info out there for us .......same with Brock!!!!
That said Kawasaki has done a REALLY poor job promoting this bike and getting info out to its base of enthusiasts.........after the initial 10/10/11 release there has been WAY TOO MUCH cloak and dagger BS and no real coordinated apples to apples tests if Kawasaki didnt want to bother or couldnt handle this they should have turned the bike over to Ricky and/or Brock and let them handle it................But bottom line people want apples to apples comparison tests of a stock bike vs Busa's and Gen 1 ZX 14's then detailed writeups of what each mod does and what to expect from that mod not having to GUESS if a bike is modded or not and what those mods "might do" and what a stock bike might run in good air.
Kawasaki should have sent a stock bike to Valdosta for Ricky if they wanted to send a modded one as well thats even better........but Roaring Toys bike despite being ugly still leaves people wondering about this bike............like I said this cloak and dagger shit is getting old either this bike is the real deal or it isnt, Kawasaki should have the confidence to put the info out there if it is the real deal.
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ZX14Mike
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posted November 13, 2011 09:39 AM
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From brocks facebook
Stock bike/engine/wheelbase/foot-shifting with no ballast. Add my pipe and pc +lowered and MR12. Oh yeah... it has plenty of billet bolt-on bling to slow it down!
What I dont get if this bike is SO HARD to launch SWB.............then why ADD power with a pipe, a tune and MR 12............I can see adding power after its stretched but why add power if your fighting to use what you have SWB.
Why not just test a stocker then give it more WB and mod it to see what it will do?
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posted November 13, 2011 09:41 AM
Yes indeed, Kawasaki blew it on this promotion.... Very sloppy the way this was handled and has left way too much up to speculation. Roaring toys should be one of the last ones to have received a pre-production model, bling is great if you are into that.... But what about the people like Dynojet, Brock, etc who make products for what the bike is designed to do... PERFORMANCE!
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posted November 13, 2011 09:51 AM
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From brocks facebook
Stock bike/engine/wheelbase/foot-shifting with no ballast. Add my pipe and pc +lowered and MR12. Oh yeah... it has plenty of billet bolt-on bling to slow it down!
What I dont get if this bike is SO HARD to launch SWB.............then why ADD power with a pipe, a tune and MR 12............I can see adding power after its stretched but why add power if your fighting to use what you have SWB.
Why not just test a stocker then give it more WB and mod it to see what it will do?
For some reason, I think they thought the roaring toyz bike needed all the help it could get, maybe becuase its not a production bike. I think if Rickey had the SE there, it would be damn near the same ET' s. Weather the reason is becuase it's smoother and not as hard to launch, or maybe just being a production bike and " correct" . Who knows.. But even I, not being a pro, would find an extra 2+ tenths just moving to a DA like Valdosta this weekend.
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dakota9498
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posted November 13, 2011 09:59 AM
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But even I, not being a pro, would find an extra 2+ tenths just moving to a DA like Valdosta this weekend.
Don't be so sure of that. We had some decent air up here at MIR a couple of weeks ago, that plus MR9 and my bike was a handful, and it sits at 66". I was still fighting wheelies, short shifting into second and half the time into third. So I couldn't imagine starting on something that has 25 more hp than my bike to begin with and at stock wheelbase. I agree it isn't the apples to apples comparison we were all waiting for, but I still think that this bike will impress us in the hands of the average Joe. Not to mention this thing doesn't even have a proper power commander on it, it is one rigged up from a ZX10. I am with Brock on this one saying to just hold tight until he gets his hands on one.
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posted November 13, 2011 10:18 AM
Edited By: JZX on 13 Nov 2011 18:20
I am sure of it-I did it several times on my BB zx12 just going from Dallas area tracks down to Houston at sea level and stock wheelbase. I was always 1. tenth and 3 mph better at HRP- and that bike was a handful.
RG being RG would have found a few tenths for sure. If he can control the 204 hp bike enuff to hit 8's, for sure he can control the 190hp he rode in Vegas enuff to get damn close.. How do you guys not see what he's telling us, the bike he's riding this weekend had too much power at swb.
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ZX14Mike
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posted November 13, 2011 10:22 AM
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I did it several times on my BB zx12 just going from Dallas area tracks down to Houston at sea level and stock wheelbase. I was always 1. tenth and 3 mph better at HRP- and that bike was a handful.
RG being RG would have found a few tenths for sure. If he can control the 204 hp bike enuff to hit 8's, for sure he can control the 190hp he rode in Vegas enuff to get damn close.. How do you guys not see what he's telling us, the bike he's riding this weekend had too much power at swb.
I agree ...........I think he could have used more of the power on the stock bike and we would have seen that in his 60 ft's............how much difference in MPH you think we would have seen in the stocker vs modded?
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posted November 13, 2011 10:35 AM
I don't know if the Roaring toys bike would be any heavier then the stock SE, but by looking at the 8.99 time slip, he got a good 60' ft for swb- the question is, did the bike pop back up after that making him chop the throttle? If he is Chopping anywhere after the 60' it going to hurt the big end.
I would expect 160+ mph trap speeds if he doesn' t have to chop it. Also, the bike is on MR12. It didnt do anything really for me but thats gona be a factor depending on what pail they poured in.
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posted November 13, 2011 05:14 PM
In the grand scheme of things, it wasn't a grand idea to test the new kid on the block bone stocker at a crappy track, and then follow up with testing a preproduction, blinged out RT version at a great track. This smells like a set up to stir up attention. If "those in the know" really wanted to promote this bike (at this point in time), they would be comparing apples to apples ....
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posted November 13, 2011 05:44 PM
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In the grand scheme of things, it wasn't a grand idea to test the new kid on the block bone stocker at a crappy track, and then follow up with testing a preproduction, blinged out RT version at a great track. This smells like a set up to stir up attention. If "those in the know" really wanted to promote this bike (at this point in time), they would be comparing apples to apples ....
no disrespect but i have to ask..... what type of drug are you on? You seem to be displaying signs of paranoia and schitzophrenia....
Those in the know...lol
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posted November 13, 2011 07:42 PM
Everyone keeps talking about how much heavier the roaring toyz bike is. Was anyone there to see it? How much does the paint weight? 20lbs? There's MAYBE 5lbs of extras on the bike. Stuff like caps on top of the forks, covers in the side of the subframe, etc. Other than that, look at the pictures.
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JZX
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posted November 13, 2011 07:47 PM
Exactly- I' m sure it was lighter then the stocker simply from the exhuast swap. A different front wheel and bling won' t be anywhere close to that weight of the stock system.
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posted November 13, 2011 11:13 PM
Takin my stock zx to eastern creek (thats our track in Aus) pinned against a 06 R1 with all the gucci shit on it, will post both times soon guys
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posted November 14, 2011 03:34 AM
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Everyone keeps talking about how much heavier the roaring toyz bike is. Was anyone there to see it? How much does the paint weight? 20lbs? There's MAYBE 5lbs of extras on the bike. Stuff like caps on top of the forks, covers in the side of the subframe, etc. Other than that, look at the pictures.
I agree I'm hearing nothing but excuses lol. They've been trying to hype this bike with every trick in the book! I'm getting the impression its all marketing hype and this bike isn't the performer they want us to think it is. Kawi only claims 10 more hp than the current bike, and in the end I think that's how it's going to run, no matter how they try and spin it.
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posted November 14, 2011 04:28 AM
It wont be too long now. Real people with real production bikes will give you guys real numbers.
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posted November 14, 2011 05:09 AM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 14 Nov 2011 13:20
hey Kjockey maybe after the joe's bore it out and deck the head maybe it will make the numbers i was expecting from this stroker motor.... geett'em lucky
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posted January 01, 2012 08:40 PM
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Yup Brock's pipe all weekend! Bike made 201hp on Dynotune at track!
If that is the case ..I"M pissed as hell !! That bike is piped and tuned ..PLUS running MR12.. If that is the case 9.04@ 155 means nothing !!! Ricky said he was running the bike like it was in Vegas .. Hell Brocks 06 zx14 ran faster than that ...
If this is a modded bike, then I agree - we're all excited over NOTHING!
Brock's bike in Diary - Part 2 went 9.09 @ 154.85.
Would have gone faster but the DA was 3471.
I hope that Rickey clears this up and it is really the STOCK (lowered and strapped) bike.
That is all he ever promised - to see how much better it would run in good conditions - with NO mention of comparing a modded bike in great conditions to a stock one in Vegas ........................
here is the "MODDED Roaring Toyz" piped,tuned,and on race gas MR12.....
here is the bike I guess I somehow promised in Valdosta..........all stock on pump gas
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posted January 02, 2012 07:05 AM
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Yup Brock's pipe all weekend! Bike made 201hp on Dynotune at track!
If that is the case ..I"M pissed as hell !! That bike is piped and tuned ..PLUS running MR12.. If that is the case 9.04@ 155 means nothing !!! Ricky said he was running the bike like it was in Vegas .. Hell Brocks 06 zx14 ran faster than that ...
If this is a modded bike, then I agree - we're all excited over NOTHING!
Brock's bike in Diary - Part 2 went 9.09 @ 154.85.
Would have gone faster but the DA was 3471.
I hope that Rickey clears this up and it is really the STOCK (lowered and strapped) bike.
That is all he ever promised - to see how much better it would run in good conditions - with NO mention of comparing a modded bike in great conditions to a stock one in Vegas ........................
here is the "MODDED Roaring Toyz" piped,tuned,and on race gas MR12.....
here is the bike I guess I somehow promised in Valdosta..........all stock on pump gas
"We" were all emotional at the time - excited and let down at the same time.
You have since removed all doubts about the "R" - at least in my mind.
Be aware that I have had a blue 14R sitting in my garage for 5 weeks now, and I am slowly accumulating parts and Smokin also has a blue one getting ready to race as I type.
Thanks again for all your testing and info! 
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posted January 02, 2012 09:06 AM
@ Lucky.....I am aware that you have got a new one anyway, and happy that your happy! As I dynoed 3 new drag school 14R's to the tune of 193-195hp, my nephew reminded me of how much bs I went thru just a few months ago from people who basically said I was "fluffing" , so I decided to go back and read how many people had doubts or flat out thought that they were being BS'd ! Also remember people not being satisfied with the results from the Roaring toyz bike in Valdosta and saying that I and the bike let them down!
I because I didnt bring a bone stocker to Valdosta, and the bike cause they thought it should go faster! But most important is me remembering how much I tried to explain how slow Vegas was compared to the East Coast tracks, and not many believed how much altitude plays a role in robbing power!
Vegas to here is proven to be .2 tenths apart!
Just thought I would let some people see the negativity that was going on when the bike first hit the scene.................
Good luck with your bike and keep us posted as I know you will!
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posted January 02, 2012 09:09 AM
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Everyone keeps talking about how much heavier the roaring toyz bike is. Was anyone there to see it? How much does the paint weight? 20lbs? There's MAYBE 5lbs of extras on the bike. Stuff like caps on top of the forks, covers in the side of the subframe, etc. Other than that, look at the pictures.
I agree I'm hearing nothing but excuses lol. They've been trying to hype this bike with every trick in the book! I'm getting the impression its all marketing hype and this bike isn't the performer they want us to think it is. Kawi only claims 10 more hp than the current bike, and in the end I think that's how it's going to run, no matter how they try and spin it.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE
MJ.....................HAVE YOU MADE A DEAL TO GET ONE YET?
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posted January 02, 2012 09:39 AM
ANOTHER EXAMPLE
MJ.....................HAVE YOU MADE A DEAL TO GET ONE YET?
I'm sure with the results everyone is verifying along with your prior (bashed) results in the power of the bike will turn alot of doubters and naysayers to join the 14R bandwagon, lol, I myself wish i could, but as with alot of the people on here that just cant afford one (me included) we gotta live it through you all that ride em. Question for you though, why did you close your shop up? Thought your boys wouldve maintained it for you? Some of us still got 12s that need some help and your shop was the closest, lol, Hope you gain 20lbs and slow it slows your butt up!!!!!!!! LOL!!! Just kidding wit you, keep up your testing and keep posting, like some have said, your always gonna have a few that give you shit but the rest are very interested in what you and your camp provide, who knows, if i can claim a few kids on this year taxes i may can get one lol!
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