kawasakijockey
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posted November 13, 2011 04:55 AM
How freakin heavy are the RoaringToys wheels?? Could this be the reason you are seeing disappointing times??
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SteddyTeddy
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posted November 13, 2011 05:30 AM
Well that just sucks!!!
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posted November 13, 2011 05:45 AM
Look at the swing arm they use, it's got to add a ton of extra weight, what is a stock swingarm? 8-10lbs? What does the RT one weight? I have no clue bit it looks massive. Yes and those wheels got to be heavier than the stock ones... I think some people are being overzealous condemning it at this point and time... 20+ HP, extra torque, lighter wheels... I am in and it should prove to be a descent upgrade, it's just a shame the US did not get ABS...
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SteddyTeddy
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posted November 13, 2011 05:48 AM
 Edited By: SteddyTeddy on 13 Nov 2011 14:00
Everyone expects the bike to run these times with a pipe. If it doesn't something is wrong. We expected a lowered stock bike. Now that would be impressive!
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posted November 13, 2011 05:54 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 13 Nov 2011 14:00
On the plus side, the bike/rider combo is probably on the heavy side (compared to a typical "Diary" bike/jockey. I'd like to know the combined weight; that would shine a little more light on things.
At the same time, these are really very early runs in the development cycle..I am still expecting this bike to really deliver. 
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kaw-rick
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posted November 13, 2011 05:55 AM
So hard to ride? (swb), doesnt supersport bikes have over 201 hp? dont understand why its so different? Waiting on real story.
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Seno
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posted November 13, 2011 05:59 AM
It is what it is bro... All I really care about is a new bike with warranty I can thrash on for 4 more years..... When that warranty is up, I'll buy another new one. I do understand many people's points regarding performance, but at this point and time it is not the selling point for me, but I can empathize with the hardcore racers like Smokin..... who were expecting more.
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shawnski
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posted November 13, 2011 06:00 AM
This what I don't understand.. rickey ran the bike stock in Vegas heat first and we know the result... Then he should have run it in lower elevation with cooler temp and see the result.. then do the same run at the same place but lowered and strapped and see the result.. then with brocks mod and tune and see the result and compare... Why would mess with roaring toyz bike with all That bling bling. If that is the case would not make sense.
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SteddyTeddy
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posted November 13, 2011 06:02 AM
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So hard to ride? (swb), doesnt supersport bikes have over 201 hp? dont understand why its so different? Waiting on real story.
The new 14 has more TQ.
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Famous1
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posted November 13, 2011 06:05 AM
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Rickey has led us to believe that these times are with lowered/strapped only.
Did you see the GREEN 14R run? Times?
when did rickey say that?
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dakota9498
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posted November 13, 2011 06:13 AM
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Look at the swing arm they use, it's got to add a ton of extra weight, what is a stock swingarm? 8-10lbs? What does the RT one weight? I have no clue bit it looks massive.
Look at the pics, read what Bently said, it has a stock swing arm on it.
And I too was hoping for a stock bike for comparison, but it is still pretty impressive for that bike. that is a lot of torque and horsepower to try and handle on a short bike. I don't think that we will truly be able to judge this bike until it is in the hands of the Average Joe, stretched with the usual mods. I have no doubt that this bike will run will with some extra wheelbase.
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Famous1
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posted November 13, 2011 06:15 AM
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So hard to ride? (swb), doesnt supersport bikes have over 201 hp? dont understand why its so different? Waiting on real story.
The new 14 has more TQ.
and the ss bikes don't have the stock shock on them either..
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Lucky14
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posted November 13, 2011 06:44 AM
Edited By: Lucky14 on 13 Nov 2011 14:45
Brock on Nov. 4th:
"The drag strip and/or dyno numbers of the Roaring Toyz show bike don't matter ............... forget about absolute numbers because you won't get anyone smart to quote them from a pre-production machine."
Brock on his FB page today (on the 9.02 @ 157 run):
"Lee, its the Roaring Toyz pre-production with a stock arm and wheel. I've been messing with the bike all weekend long... I would not suggest making any decisions based on it. I truly believe its not right, wait for me to get my hands on a new bike for proper testing."
OK, Brock has a disclaimer in the statement. Fair enough.
However, his prior statement says it all - the 9.02 means NOTHING .......................
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CraZX14
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posted November 13, 2011 07:31 AM
I hope that nobody ends up having to cancel their order, but I damn sure wouldn't place an order at this point. I'll be patient until I see a real world example next to me at my real world track with someone other than RG or some super-midget at the controls....then I'll decide :-)
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Lucky14
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posted November 13, 2011 07:41 AM
Here is what Rickey posted on Nov. 8th:
"I wish it was that easy for them to drive a bike to the east coast for me, but right noew the focus is on the press intro in 2 weeks here in Vegas.
But....never fear....I will have one in Ga at the Valdosta this weekend!"
We assumed that he meant the same or a different stock (exhaust) one, but that's not what Rickey said. He does "have one" at Valdosta, so we can't blame Rickey.
Kawasaki probably did not want to provide one for Valdosta, which IMHO, was a huge error in judgement ...................... unless the 14R is not "all that."
Can't blame Brock. He's just doing what he can with what he has, which is someone else's 14R. He has stated several times that he does not have one yet and gets no special favors on getting one first.
We just have to be patient. ARRGGGGGGGGGGGH!!!
I'm still buying one, no matter what the testing shows.
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posted November 13, 2011 07:52 AM
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Here is what Rickey posted on Nov. 8th:
"I wish it was that easy for them to drive a bike to the east coast for me, but right noew the focus is on the press intro in 2 weeks here in Vegas.
But....never fear....I will have one in Ga at the Valdosta this weekend!"
We assumed that he meant the same or a different stock (exhaust) one, but that's not what Rickey said. He does "have one" at Valdosta, so we can't blame Rickey.
Kawasaki probably did not want to provide one for Valdosta, which IMHO, was a huge error in judgement ...................... unless the 14R is not "all that."
Can't blame Brock. He's just doing what he can with what he has, which is someone else's 14R. He has stated several times that he does not have one yet and gets no special favors on getting one first.
We just have to be patient. ARRGGGGGGGGGGGH!!!
I'm still buying one, no matter what the testing shows.
assumptions will get us everytime......
I've seen enough hard numbers to know that this bike is going to be at least .3 faster than any similiarly modded gen1 zx or busa...... strokers are a bitch down low...stretch it and get back
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posted November 13, 2011 08:07 AM
Brock just posted on his facebook that it just ran 8.99
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CraZX14
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posted November 13, 2011 08:20 AM
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Brock just posted on his facebook that it just ran 8.99
That would be great....if it was green, lowered, and had two giant canisters hanging off the sides
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jlewis02
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posted November 13, 2011 08:26 AM
I know but it was on the ugly RT bike 
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posted November 13, 2011 08:44 AM
Edited By: JZX on 13 Nov 2011 16:47
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Rickey would be almost as quick with the stock bike he had in Vegas. Just correct the DA he had up there to the -79 like last night and that's close to 3 tenths, plus the stocker makes just enuff "less hp" then the piped one he is posting slips with. If he's coming up at the 330 and still not wot in 1st gear the mph at the traps can be off as much as 4-6 . If it' s a pogo stick like m y buddies 1441 swb BUS- then it's damn near impossible to run an ET or MPH.
Nick' s bike made 220+/125+tq and at grudefest was no better the side by side S Daves stock swb gen 2 bus, difference was Nick was on one wheel 60% of the pass.
Like I said, I think RG would be within a tenth and 2 mph with the slammed SE if he had it there. Just the math tells us he would drop 2-3 tenths comparing DA's. I wouldn't be too upset.
plus- I think he could roll back on the throttle a little earlier with the all stocker 
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jlewis02
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posted November 13, 2011 08:48 AM
Just posted this on facebook.
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CraZX14
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posted November 13, 2011 08:54 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Rickey would be almost as quick with the stock bike he had in Vegas. Just correct the DA he had up there to the -79 like last night and that's close to 3 tenths, plus the stocker makes just enuff "less hp" then the piped one he is posting slips with. If he's coming up at the 330 and still not wot in 1st gear the mph at the traps can be off as much as 4-6 . If it' s a pogo stick like m y buddies 1441 swb BUS- then it's damn near impossible to run an ET or MPH.
Nick' s bike made 220+/125+tq and at grudefest was no better the side by side S Daves stock swb gen 2 bus, difference was Nick was on one wheel 60% of the pass.
Like I said, I think RG would be within a tenth and 2 mph with the slammed SE if he had it there. Just the math tells us he would drop 2-3 tenths comparing DA's. I wouldn't be too upset.
plus- I think he could roll back on the throttle a little earlier with the all stocker
I agree....you can have all the hp in the world, but there's no beating leverage, and the physics involved with trying to accelerate at swb.
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Lucky14
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posted November 13, 2011 09:10 AM
Edited By: Lucky14 on 13 Nov 2011 17:11
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I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Rickey would be almost as quick with the stock bike he had in Vegas. Just correct the DA he had up there to the -79 like last night and that's close to 3 tenths, plus the stocker makes just enuff "less hp" then the piped one he is posting slips with. If he's coming up at the 330 and still not wot in 1st gear the mph at the traps can be off as much as 4-6 . If it' s a pogo stick like m y buddies 1441 swb BUS- then it's damn near impossible to run an ET or MPH.
Nick' s bike made 220+/125+tq and at grudefest was no better the side by side S Daves stock swb gen 2 bus, difference was Nick was on one wheel 60% of the pass.
Like I said, I think RG would be within a tenth and 2 mph with the slammed SE if he had it there. Just the math tells us he would drop 2-3 tenths comparing DA's. I wouldn't be too upset.
plus- I think he could roll back on the throttle a little earlier with the all stocker
Are you forgetting the extra 30 - 40 pounds he would have as a handicap with the stock exhaust?
How much does THAT hurt???
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CajunBoyz
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posted November 13, 2011 09:11 AM
I think give em time, Fine tune with all the bolt ons & EXTEND IT,& lookout of what times we'll see..
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JZX
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posted November 13, 2011 09:19 AM
How much do you think those heavy aftermarket wheels are hurting the bike hes riding? If that's the argument.
The bike went 9.31@149.8 at Vegas-start from there and just change the DA to where he is now. You are within a tenth.
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