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posted November 09, 2011 04:53 PM
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We see DA here of 3000+ in the summer here in FL But i bet our track at a DA of 3000 is still faster than Vegas is at 2000 feet..
I'll take that bet..
but drawing in 55 degree air with 20% humidity at Vegas at 2000ft vs 100 degree air with 85% humidity @3000ft DA is a whole different ball game..
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posted November 09, 2011 04:58 PM
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With Brocks whizbang pipe and whizbang tune ran an avg of 152 ..
i'm confused ..is this the same bike that dyno 176rwhp on your dyno
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posted November 09, 2011 05:30 PM
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With Brocks whizbang pipe and whizbang tune ran an avg of 152 ..
i'm confused ..is this the same bike that dyno 176rwhp on your dyno
Well 174 to 175 on my dyno .. Remember 152 was stock wheel base ... It went 155 avg at 62 inches ..It has gone as high as 157+ with the whizbang pipe and whizbang tune .
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posted November 09, 2011 05:39 PM
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With Brocks whizbang pipe and whizbang tune ran an avg of 152 ..
i'm confused ..is this the same bike that dyno 176rwhp on your dyno
Well 174 to 175 on my dyno .. Remember 152 was stock wheel base ... It went 155 avg at 62 inches ..It has gone as high as 157+ with the whizbang pipe and whizbang tune .
so then why is a 2012 zx14r with a 4mm stroke and with a dyno chart of 190rwhp and rode by a 9 time world champion with good air only getting 149mph .. maybe its the ECU killing it i just don't get it ..i was expecting 155mph+
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posted November 09, 2011 05:42 PM
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With Brocks whizbang pipe and whizbang tune ran an avg of 152 ..
i'm confused ..is this the same bike that dyno 176rwhp on your dyno
Well 174 to 175 on my dyno .. Remember 152 was stock wheel base ... It went 155 avg at 62 inches ..It has gone as high as 157+ with the whizbang pipe and whizbang tune .
so then why is a 2012 zx14r with a 4mm stroke and with a dyno chart of 190rwhp and rode by a 9 time world champion with good air only getting 149mph .. maybe its the ECU killing it i just don't get it ..i was expecting 155mph+
you will get it when you get a lane next to me.
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posted November 09, 2011 05:54 PM
Edited By: 1badzx12r on 10 Nov 2011 01:56
WEE you better order you a power adder in a blue bottle cause .. 6.0's@121mph is a really bad pass for me now days
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posted November 09, 2011 06:13 PM
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With Brocks whizbang pipe and whizbang tune ran an avg of 152 ..
i'm confused ..is this the same bike that dyno 176rwhp on your dyno
Well 174 to 175 on my dyno .. Remember 152 was stock wheel base ... It went 155 avg at 62 inches ..It has gone as high as 157+ with the whizbang pipe and whizbang tune .
so then why is a 2012 zx14r with a 4mm stroke and with a dyno chart of 190rwhp and rode by a 9 time world champion with good air only getting 149mph .. maybe its the ECU killing it i just don't get it ..i was expecting 155mph+
Well a few reasons i can think of .. One: Vegas isn't FL .. Two: he weighs 25 pounds more than me .. Three: I installed a 40 tooth sprocket to kill the wheelies so i could lock the throttle before the 60 foot mark ( 1.49 to 1.51 60 foot times for me Vs his 1.56 ) Four: the bike itself weighs more than my 09 did ..Mine was 505 pounds and the new zx14 is what 565 ? Ricky will be running the bike in Ga with a tooth less in the rear to calm down first gear .. I don't know if he will run 155 or not , but it should be a lot faster than his 149.70 in Vegas ..
The numbers you should be looking at are when my bike was stone stock with it lowered and strapped just like Rickys zx14r was at vegas .. I ran 9.62 @ 142 , Ricky on the new zx14r ran 9.31 @ 149 ..
My bike the day i ran 9.62
With the same mods Rickys 2012 zx14r out ran my 09 zx14 by 3 tenths and 7 MPH ..
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posted November 09, 2011 06:26 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 10 Nov 2011 02:43
MY bike tricked out 9.11 @ 152 .. 505 pounds , Gear changed to 17/40
Now if i picked up 10 mph and 5 tenths with a pipe, tune and gear change on my 09 zx14 what do you think Rickys 2012 ZX14R is going to pick up with a pipe , tune and gear change ?
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posted November 09, 2011 06:56 PM
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The numbers you should be looking at are when my bike was stone stock with it lowered and strapped just like Rickys zx14r was at vegas .. I ran 9.62 @ 142 , Ricky on the new zx14r ran 9.31 @ 149 ..
and thats what should happen when you have a 40rwhp differance .. 7mph
i also see people in short sleeve shirts in your bike pic stone stock track day .. and they are wearing coats on ricky's day
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posted November 09, 2011 07:08 PM
The 14R is going be awesome.... Especially once the mods start coming . Looking forward to seeing what the pros run mildly modded...
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posted November 09, 2011 07:12 PM
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MY bike tricked out 9.11 @ 152 .. 505 pounds , Gear changed to 17/40
Now if i picked up 10 mph and 5 tenths with a pipe, tune and gear change on my 09 zx14 what do you think Rickys 2012 ZX14R is going to pick up with a pipe , tune and gear change ?
oh i'm sure it will run as fast as brock's bmw's when its all over with ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M32Q4ziWJz0&feature=related
but heres a couple supersport zx14's look at the mph..which should be about apples to apples to the 2012 zx14r hp ..but like you said this weekend at SGMP should tell it all .. if the pipe is the killer just run it without the stock cans...
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posted November 09, 2011 10:51 PM
So lets look at las vegas 2k ft alt 3.2% power loss for every 1k ft bike dyno'd at 187 in fla It should have been 175 in vegas. That means a 9.31 will be about 9.18 at sea level. I'd like to see the bike run without the cans as a comparison or with a full system nothing else.
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posted November 10, 2011 05:06 AM
One major thing to keep in mind re; Vegas or Phoenix Racing or Dyno's.....
The Arid Deserts are devoid of green, leafy vegetation which contributes to a low oxygen content environment. Never really that good for making power. I also have not seen our barometer go over 30.10 on the highest of high pressure days in the valley (Phoenix).
I think Kawi is smart for sandbagging at Vegas! It runs hard through the traps! The highest speed I ever got with the 1270 was 152 mph. The DA was a cold +700 at Firebird. I am NO drag racer by any means either.
This big ol' 14R is going to lay down some seroius trap speeds and E.T's with good riders!!
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posted November 10, 2011 06:07 AM
We are expecting some cold air to move into Fl tonight and tomorrow. If they get some of this up in Valdosta we're going to see some fast times!!!!
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posted November 10, 2011 07:57 AM
No way the bike is going to run that good with a full system. The bike makes way too much power for stock lenth with the stock pipes on it with the bad air they had in Vegas. I can only imagine how hard it going to be to ride it sock lenth only straped and lowered with that much torque in good air in Fl. In his video you can see that bike wheeling hard as he keeps it down. Now add another 15 hp and take 40lbs off the bike and watch the sky. I think most of the good 14 riders if they where to keep the hp they have there bike at now and most are around 180+ hp and tried to ride it at stock wheel base none of them would find it easy to get into the eights. Now once they stretch that monster all hell will break lose.
So until they stretch that beast no one will know what it is fully capable of.
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posted November 10, 2011 08:00 AM
Master, that's why they are dropping a tooth on the rear sprocket, to help with the launch.
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posted November 10, 2011 08:03 AM
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Master, that's why they are dropping a tooth on the rear sprocket, to help with the launch.
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posted November 10, 2011 10:14 AM
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No way the bike is going to run that good with a full system. The bike makes way too much power for stock lenth with the stock pipes on it with the bad air they had in Vegas. I can only imagine how hard it going to be to ride it sock lenth only straped and lowered with that much torque in good air in Fl. In his video you can see that bike wheeling hard as he keeps it down. Now add another 15 hp and take 40lbs off the bike and watch the sky. I think most of the good 14 riders if they where to keep the hp they have there bike at now and most are around 180+ hp and tried to ride it at stock wheel base none of them would find it easy to get into the eights. Now once they stretch that monster all hell will break lose.
So until they stretch that beast no one will know what it is fully capable of.
Master i had that problem at stock wheel base ..I could not get better than 9.30s fighting wheelys with 17/41 gear ... I switched to 17/40 ( Rickys trick ) and ran 1.49 60 footer with no wheelys .. 5.89 in the 1/8 mile and 9.11 in the 1/4 mile .. The gear makes the low end power so you can use it ..
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posted November 10, 2011 11:47 AM
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No way the bike is going to run that good with a full system. The bike makes way too much power for stock lenth with the stock pipes on it with the bad air they had in Vegas. I can only imagine how hard it going to be to ride it sock lenth only straped and lowered with that much torque in good air in Fl. In his video you can see that bike wheeling hard as he keeps it down. Now add another 15 hp and take 40lbs off the bike and watch the sky. I think most of the good 14 riders if they where to keep the hp they have there bike at now and most are around 180+ hp and tried to ride it at stock wheel base none of them would find it easy to get into the eights. Now once they stretch that monster all hell will break lose.
So until they stretch that beast no one will know what it is fully capable of.
I agree with that, my tuner's 220 rwhp swb busa 1441 is worthless, but it sure was fun watching it pop up at 330'
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posted November 10, 2011 04:24 PM
Cool dry air coming in to Fla/Ga. should see some nice times
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posted November 10, 2011 06:04 PM
What is a good ratio for a rider roughly 225? Any suggestions? I went -1 front + 2 rear and didn't have any wheely problems on my 07 with 180HP ( on a happy dyno... I know before we get into that again).
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posted November 11, 2011 04:14 AM
Wonder what the REAL rev limiter is at on these new 14r's??? I believe the real limiter was at like 11,030rpms on the older 14's,,, Hope they raised it a little on the R's
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posted November 12, 2011 05:37 AM
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Wonder what the REAL rev limiter is at on these new 14r's??? I believe the real limiter was at like 11,030rpms on the older 14's,,, Hope they raised it a little on the R's
I doubt it with the higher piston speed.
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posted November 12, 2011 05:54 AM
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Wonder what the REAL rev limiter is at on these new 14r's??? I believe the real limiter was at like 11,030rpms on the older 14's,,, Hope they raised it a little on the R's
I doubt it with the higher piston speed.
I seen these R models pull right to what seems to be the limiter, So i think after mods & tune, 3-500 more rpm on rev limiter will do some good(Hello Guhl)????
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posted November 12, 2011 06:20 AM
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I seen these R models pull right to what seems to be the limiter quote:
Where?
If Kawasaki have kept the same rev limit they've done well.
The longer stroke produces higher piston speeds as Psycho stated.
The rev limit has nothing to do with the power curve. Its to stop the engine
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