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posted August 19, 2011 03:27 PM
hays t3 on 08 zx14
i install a hayst3 on my 08 Zx14 one month ago and has got three track sessons,the bike runs good,but the sixty is not quiet there.my set up is 67in,15 front ,stock rear,shock set on hard,50 shot progressive.it is consistly runs 1.45 sixty at 6000rpm,but iwant to get lower 130s.clutch set up is 4 washers on each arm and one nut. i tried reving to 7-8000rpm sixty goes down to 1.47-1.48.does anybody hav hayst3 on there zx14?can any one explain lanching this clutch in detail,from chutch to throttle,maybe im doing something wrong,what is a good clutch tune for this,washers,springs ect.
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posted August 22, 2011 07:18 AM
what do you mean shock set on hard? What's the rider weight? Rear tire? Whats the rest of the time slip times?
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posted August 22, 2011 01:55 PM
rebound at the top of shock,turned one full rotation to the right,bottom part of shock turned all the the way in.that really helped the hooking problem,205lbs suited,1.45 sixty,3.70 -330,5.59 1/8@129
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posted August 22, 2011 01:57 PM
theres alot of room to play with on the sixty,just need pointers about clutch setup,and gearing
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posted August 22, 2011 02:04 PM
how much do you weight?
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breadman14
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posted August 22, 2011 02:23 PM
205lbs
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posted August 22, 2011 04:54 PM
Leave at lower rpm
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breadman14
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posted August 22, 2011 05:36 PM
thanks for info mathews,ill try 4000rpm,when you installed your hays what was your gearing?did you add more gear to sixty better?
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posted August 22, 2011 06:46 PM
i can tell you at 4k rpm your arms are engaged even with the stiff hold back springs on the arms..
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posted August 23, 2011 02:10 PM
 Edited By: Swiftkart on 23 Aug 2011 22:16
Run 0 to 1 washer and the softest springs on the arms #14 in multi stage.
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breadman14
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posted August 23, 2011 03:43 PM
you hav a hays?
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posted August 24, 2011 08:16 AM
Yep
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posted August 30, 2011 04:02 PM
Edited By: Swiftkart on 31 Aug 2011 00:03
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you hav a hays?
PM's don't work for you for some reason.
Tim doesn't have any good setup info for a zx14, most have a Busa and those setups didn't work on my 14, turbo Busa's run 2 washers and #17 springs so that should give you an idea, if you are using more than 2 washers you are not even close, 0 washers, #14 springs then try 0 washers and #17 springs if you stay under 250hp, .100 air gap, 5,000 to 6,000 rpm dump the clutch and full throttle at the same time, you do not slip this clutch, let it go.
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posted August 30, 2011 04:11 PM
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i can tell you at 4k rpm your arms are engaged even with the stiff hold back springs on the arms..
Like 1badzx12r said, at 4,000rpm the arms are engaged so with 4 washers on you are loading the clutch way too much and bogging the motor down, take the weight off and the bike will stay in the powerband and respond with a very low 60' and e.t.
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posted August 30, 2011 06:01 PM
thanks for the info,i will change the washers and see where takes me,will it lockup with no wieght?what kind of sixtys should i expect?i hope im not asking to much but whats your set up? and is it performing for you,if you dont want it showed PM me please,thanks again.
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posted August 30, 2011 06:07 PM
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you hav a hays?
PM's don't work for you for some reason.
Tim doesn't have any good setup info for a zx14, most have a Busa and those setups didn't work on my 14, turbo Busa's run 2 washers and #17 springs so that should give you an idea, if you are using more than 2 washers you are not even close, 0 washers, #14 springs then try 0 washers and #17 springs if you stay under 250hp, .100 air gap, 5,000 to 6,000 rpm dump the clutch and full throttle at the same time, you do not slip this clutch, let it go.
thanks for info,will the arms lockup with no wieght on them?what is your set up? how is it performing for you?
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posted October 05, 2011 11:49 AM
well,i finaly changed the washer set up to two washers on each arm with the purple springs in a triangle formation.beneth the purple springs are the silver springs in triangle formation with 4 washers on each arm ,the result is 139 sixty down from 1.45 sixty.i know im giong in the right direction,i was told by members of this site to try 0 washers on the arms ,will it still lock up? can someone with a hays t3 in a zx14 help me with a setup that there using with great results.the bike runs strong onthe other side{3.30} just down low is my concern. right now leaving at 6500 rpm ,throw the clutch and pinnthe throttle, 1.39 sixty @5.47 1/8@130mph,205lbs suited.15 on front 43 rear.i know i can get lower,PLEASE HELP
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posted October 05, 2011 12:35 PM
I can tell you to leave at lower rpm ,but everyone will tell me I am wrong.I have seen a GSXR1000 leave at idle and go 1.22 60ft with a T3
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posted October 05, 2011 01:27 PM
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I can tell you to leave at lower rpm ,but everyone will tell me I am wrong.I have seen a GSXR1000 leave at idle and go 1.22 60ft with a T3
how long is that bike?
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posted October 05, 2011 01:55 PM
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I can tell you to leave at lower rpm ,but everyone will tell me I am wrong.I have seen a GSXR1000 leave at idle and go 1.22 60ft with a T3
THANKS matt,my bros 08 busa can leave off idle in the 130s but he has pistons,i learned suzuks has diff set up.
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posted October 05, 2011 01:56 PM
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I can tell you to leave at lower rpm ,but everyone will tell me I am wrong.I have seen a GSXR1000 leave at idle and go 1.22 60ft with a T3
how long is that bike?
66 1/2
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posted October 06, 2011 07:08 AM
Some times you need to put two steels back to back to get a little more slip.
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posted October 06, 2011 12:51 PM
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I can tell you to leave at lower rpm ,but everyone will tell me I am wrong.I have seen a GSXR1000 leave at idle and go 1.22 60ft with a T3
It wasn't setup in multi stage if he did, it was setup in slider mode which you don't have to R the bike up, you just hit the throttle so there is a difference on how you leave in each mode.
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posted October 06, 2011 12:58 PM
Edited By: Swiftkart on 6 Oct 2011 21:01
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well,i finaly changed the washer set up to two washers on each arm with the purple springs in a triangle formation.beneth the purple springs are the silver springs in triangle formation with 4 washers on each arm ,the result is 139 sixty down from 1.45 sixty.i know im giong in the right direction,i was told by members of this site to try 0 washers on the arms ,will it still lock up? can someone with a hays t3 in a zx14 help me with a setup that there using with great results.the bike runs strong onthe other side{3.30} just down low is my concern. right now leaving at 6500 rpm ,throw the clutch and pinnthe throttle, 1.39 sixty @5.47 1/8@130mph,205lbs suited.15 on front 43 rear.i know i can get lower,PLEASE HELP
1 to 2 washers on all 6 arms should lower you to the 1.33 range (6 to 8 grams is the range for zx14), the clutch will hold with no weight on it at all, the arms have enough weight to still lock up, how much rwhp you have determends how well, but try 6 to 8 grams and you will be set, 0 to 2 washers.
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posted October 06, 2011 01:09 PM
Edited By: Swiftkart on 6 Oct 2011 21:10
This is how this clutch works, if the track is prepped very well and hooks hard, you keep taking weight off the arms which allows the engine to accelerate into the powerband real fast, you keep doing this until you spin the tire, then go up a little until it hooks and you have the setup for those conditions, if the track is crap and you are spinning, add weight until it pulls the motor down and lets the tire bite, very simple, not as hard as everyone thinks, keep you tire pressure the same (20psi or whatever you like) and tune to the track with the clutch.
No one will help you with these clutches, I learned from trial and error.
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