motomoto
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posted August 06, 2011 02:57 AM
Power differences from 06- current?
I am in the market for a zx14 and have found a really low mile 2006 I have searched on this site and others and the only downfall I've read about them is low bottom end torque. Is this the only shortcoming of the 06? Are there any other concern areas and does any one know the exact power differences throught the years? I've read that the 06 makes 176. Are the newer models much faster?
  
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indynic
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posted August 06, 2011 05:03 AM
There is not enough power difference to make a difference. They all make good power. The biggest thing about 06-07 is that the secondary flies in the throttle bodies don't open as early as the 08 and up. That is why the low end torque suffers.
BUT, that really doesn't matter because you just need to remove those secondary flies anyway.
I have a few buddies that drag race competitively that swear that their 06's ran better (faster) than any other year they have owned. They have owned about every year except 2011.
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eklipse636
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posted August 06, 2011 05:11 AM
I raced a 06 for 3 years and I've had a 08 since. For the hp difference you can buy the 06 and the money you save in buying a older one you can put into goodies and make it faster than a newer one.
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motomoto
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posted August 06, 2011 05:34 AM
I,m loving these responses! So does any one have a list of must do mods? I won't have a million bucks to throw at it as soon as I get it but can do some stuff. It has a full two bro's exhaust already so What else should be done? gearing? ect?
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posted August 06, 2011 06:32 AM
I ride an '07 & an '08 and both pull like freight trains from 2500 rpm up.
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posted August 06, 2011 06:43 AM
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I have a few buddies that drag race competitively that swear that their 06's ran better (faster) than any other year they have owned. They have owned about every year except 2011.
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eklipse636
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posted August 06, 2011 07:06 AM
I've been sitting here thinking about this post...
I did have a few different mods between the two bikes, but should have been similar in hp.
My 08 mph's a avg of 3-4 mph higher than the 06 did.
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ninjaboy311
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posted August 06, 2011 07:35 AM
Only owned an 06, but can speak of how it was solid as a rock, roughly 3000 drag strip passes, and was still kickin when I sold it in January. Hadn't touched the engine other than to change sparkplugs and clutches every now and then. Never adjusted the valves. Not saying you shouldn't, just saying I never saw a need to do it on mine.
Stretch it out, lower it, change gearing, exhaust system, 87 pump gas on the track, air shifter and shift light. Have fun!!
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motomoto
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posted August 06, 2011 07:48 AM
Why 87? more complete combustion? Doesn't the 12:1 require 93? Also do you guys lower them just for the track then take the link and strap off for more comfortable street riding? What is the reccomended gear change? Also what is a happy medium length to stretch one for a mix of drag and street? I have seen these blocks that you add to the factory swing arm, then I see the full swing arms with bracing and stuff. So I guess the later is more for drag bikes? or is it just a matter of length? Sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to be onformed before I ever even start.
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eklipse636
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posted August 06, 2011 08:52 AM
Most of us here just race them. Most people don't take the lowering links off and strap. I leave the rear lowered and pull the strap snug enough it won't flap around.
Extensions for your swingarm are ok as long as you don't go over 7-8". They are a inexpensive way to do it. They will cost you $200 as where a swingarm is $1,000.
I've ran extensions since 06 with no problems.
As far as gearing setup, there are a lot of variables that are put into the equasion. Weight of rider, length of swingarm, etc. The biggest thing about gearing is personal preference.
Example is smokinzx14 and Leonidas ran 16/41 I believe. Wheelie and myself ran 16/48. A big difference.
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motomoto
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posted August 06, 2011 09:50 AM
Thanks for the info fellas
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motomoto
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posted August 06, 2011 11:11 AM
So no one answered me about why run 87 octane at the track?
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posted August 06, 2011 11:47 AM
For NA motors 87 burns better
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eklipse636
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posted August 06, 2011 12:49 PM
I believe the 87 burns faster causing "more hp"
They recommend 93 toprevent detonation.
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motomoto
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posted August 06, 2011 02:49 PM
I thought it called for 93. Ok, thanks.
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posted August 06, 2011 03:47 PM
I personally havent been able to tell the difference between 87 and 93. Too many variables when I have ran the two different fuels.
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posted August 06, 2011 05:02 PM
87 worked fine for me in the summer, but then in the fall my bike pinged, from the additional butane they add to winter fuel make your car easier to start when its -40.
Thats what they tell us, but in actuality, butane is a less desireable, less valuable by- product in the refinery they dilute our winter fuel with it.
I think the southern guys likely dont see diluted winter fuels, like us up north.
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motomoto
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posted August 06, 2011 10:20 PM
I certainly understand the fuel thing. I have a diesel truck and the winter mix nets me 3 less mpg gallon because of the crap they put in it.
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posted August 07, 2011 06:07 AM
quote:
I am in the market for a zx14 and have found a really low mile 2006 I have searched on this site and others and the only downfall I've read about them is low bottom end torque. Is this the only shortcoming of the 06? Are there any other concern areas and does any one know the exact power differences throught the years? I've read that the 06 makes 176. Are the newer models much faster?
The only difference is the 06-7 need the secondary flies removed to have similiar low end to the 08's and up. Otherwise power is the same, the 08 and up are a little heavier because of the cats in the exhaust. Personally I think a stock 06-7 with the flies removed and mapped accordingly hits harder down low and seems to rev better up top as well compared to the stock 08 I rode.
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posted August 07, 2011 07:08 AM
Well guys my 09 ran better numbers that my 06 .. I have no clue why but it clearly ran faster in my testing .. That being said i would buy either one and not worry about it ..
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JZX
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posted August 07, 2011 09:08 AM
There is also the bike to bike factor. Some come off the assembly line and just run better(tolerances) I guess.
I just think Smoking had mastered his 06 and due to that, ran better on the 09.
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Stu64
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posted August 07, 2011 06:04 PM
My 06' with a few bolt on aftermarket parts and E-85 is around 300 hp.
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Slowninja
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posted August 07, 2011 06:42 PM
Uh.. 300hp? Please tell me you're joking.
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dubious
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posted August 07, 2011 06:51 PM
Garret GT30R is a key part ! haha
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posted August 07, 2011 07:09 PM
That would explain it. his wording is a bit misleading, I don't care if a turbo physically bolt's on... A turbo is not a 'bolt on mod'
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