joel787
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posted July 21, 2011 09:01 AM
Well if he paid for it, technically he can do whatever he wants with it.
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posted July 21, 2011 09:25 AM
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Have Charlie LET US KNOW! We would love to tell people who he is and what he did…. I told them about Bill and the Gadson’s because it’s a part of my business,
Maybe they can photo shop a brocks sticker for charlies bike too...
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posted July 21, 2011 09:36 AM
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haha
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posted July 21, 2011 02:17 PM
Brock,
I didn't know Charlie before the week-end but we started talking about your products after I saw your CT series pipe on his bike.
I agree with what you're saying about writers not hunting folks down but I was just thinking that someone from Loring had written the article. I do know that it's important for sponsors to get the word out.
I know the "celebrity" status of RG is good for a timing association but I just like folks to know about all the unknowns out there too.
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posted July 21, 2011 02:20 PM
My Brock's pipe doesn't have a name plate on it.. Just sayin
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posted July 21, 2011 02:42 PM
Brock, by removing the CNC logo from the pic it comes across that your bolt on parts alone were the performance edge. If I wouldnt have read this post I would have never known the difference.
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posted July 21, 2011 03:00 PM
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Brock, by removing the CNC logo from the pic it comes across that your bolt on parts alone were the performance edge. If I wouldnt have read this post I would have never known the difference.
it's standard industry practice, it's about marketing bolt on parts.
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posted July 21, 2011 03:08 PM
Kawasaki jockey, maybe I didn't explain myself clearly. Bolt-on performance results are most important for us to market and we thought they had two green ZX-10s. The shot’s of Rickey and Richard looked like two different bikes (the blue tape on the lowers, parts not matching etc.) We KNEW one bike was stock, but had no clue which one. We could not risk claiming all bolt-on parts with a cylinder head porting company logo on the side of the bike. No problem, remove the sticker for the dragbike.com release until we get it figured out and then fix it… which is exactly what we did.
Come to find out there was a BLACK 10R that was stock at the event that I didn’t hear about until Monday night. I called the photographer and had him send more shots.
All of this was supposed to happen in a press release on Monday or Tuesday (so it’s not old news), since Rickey lost his cell phone at Loring — I even tried to call oldkawboy for info. to try to figure out the record situation. We couldn’t pull it off. I even posted some inaccurate info. on Facebook… so I just quit.
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posted July 21, 2011 03:12 PM
FYI: I do volunteer work for dragbike.com that why they asked me for the shots in the first place.
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posted July 21, 2011 03:35 PM
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maybe I didn't explain myself clearly.
this sounds like an obama quote ..
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posted July 21, 2011 04:53 PM
Unreal!!!!!!!! Jim, nice job making that ZX10 haul ass!!!!!
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posted July 21, 2011 11:24 PM
Edited By: entropy on 22 Jul 2011 07:25
Brock,
6-7 years ago you gave me some hard advice which i didn't want to hear; but eventually i came around and it turned out that you were right on the money.
on this situation...
Your explanation above is logical, but from the outside it appears there was no reason to take Jim's sticker off the bike other than you had the rights to the photo and you were entitled to do whatever you wanted to do with it.
But for me the question is: why remove it?
Have you started porting heads?
Is Competition CNC a competitor?
My advice to you is please don't evolve into a Rob "fuck you" Muzzy.
Karl
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posted July 21, 2011 11:49 PM
ha i like my hindle pipe
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posted July 21, 2011 11:59 PM
be careful what you say about brock noone on here likes brock haters
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eklipse636
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posted July 22, 2011 01:33 AM
Brock was dead wrong in what he done here.
Has he become too big for his pants??? Possibly.
But at the same time that's when he will start going downhill just like Rob Muzzy did. Everyone use to buy Muzzy exhaust. Now, well, you don't see so many.
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posted July 22, 2011 06:21 AM
Edited By: SteddyTeddy on 22 Jul 2011 14:24
Maybe I'm missing something here but....Brock paid for the pictures, he can do what he wants with them. Brock sponsers the bikes and riders, he can photo the bike however he likes. Did Jim at CNC provide sponsership to the riders and bikes, or just do the head work? If he provided sponsership to a record setting bike then I can see why he's mad. If not and he just got paid to do headwork like any other time, they can put what ever stickers they want on the bikes. Its looks as the issue has been delt with either way. Lesson learned...if you want your stickers on a paticular bike I guess you better have a signed contract of sponsership.
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posted July 22, 2011 07:39 AM
Guys, I will admit this: From a purely journalistic standpoint, I was wrong in submitting an altered photograph to dragbike.com for their story.
Those shots were intended for our Brock’s Performance press release in regard to our racer’s results, in conjunction with our bolt-on product line for the ZX-10R. In an attempt to offset future potential uproar/confusion over “ported heads” altering the results, I didn’t want any shots of ours going out with a cylinder head porting company on the side of the bikes. It’s really that simple.
My apologies to the racing community for this oversight.
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posted July 22, 2011 07:39 AM
I had a lengthy discussion with Brock this morning about this. It appears as though all of this arose from miscommunication regarding which bike set the record. I've shot hundreds of races and I know how hard it can be to determine which bike did what when they can all look the same (or similar)
It appears that Brock simply acted on the best information he had at the time trying to select the photo based on his info from Ricky and the photographer - as well as some missing stickers of his own on his own bike which made it even more difficult to identify.
I appreciate Y2K's concern but in this case after hearing the story it really does appear to be an honest mistake, which Brock says was corrected immediately when it was brought to his attention - Brock (at his own expense) purchased more photographs to make everything good - you can even see them online at dragbike.com (note the similarities between all the bikes)
http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=6598&z=13
I'm always up for a good conspiracy but sadly that doesn't appear to be the case here...
Heat getting to everyone or something? Come out to the Pacific North West. We have had zero summer. weather is shit 
carry on
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posted July 22, 2011 09:07 AM
"Heat getting to everyone or something? Come out to the Pacific North West. We have had zero summer. weather is shit "
We have been using the fireplace all summer so far at night here On Whidbey Island Wa
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posted July 22, 2011 11:18 AM
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I had a lengthy discussion with Brock this morning about this.
I bet y'all did ..
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posted July 22, 2011 12:02 PM
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Brock, by removing the CNC logo from the pic it comes across that your bolt on parts alone were the performance edge. If I wouldnt have read this post I would have never known the difference.
I Agree.......................... it makes it look like buy his bolt on's and look what it wil do.
Damage is done. Brock is sorry...OK....or is it someone noticed so as a Good PR move
post oppps.??????????? I don't kow for sure only Brock really knows. It's all about the $$$$$$
Why to GO Jim at CNC you are a Ture Craftsman. Keep up the Good work.
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posted July 22, 2011 12:17 PM
do the green zx10's have a Ti-Force on them?
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posted July 22, 2011 01:40 PM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 22 Jul 2011 21:48
how much faster did the one with jim's head go v/s the one with "brock only" parts?
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posted July 22, 2011 01:43 PM
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do the green zx10's have a Ti-Force on them?
wee
does the numbers on the seat cowl mean anything as they have the same number 9577
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posted July 22, 2011 01:44 PM
Brock, so let me get this right.... you feel you have the right to remove sponsors stickers from Bill Warner's bike? Companies that helped him out? Like someone who built his engine? Or ported his head?
That is insane and is not.... IS NOT.... "normal" in racing. Sponsors don't remove other sponsors stickers from other peoples bikes. Our businesses don't even overlap. We are not even competitors in the same market.
I don't think you understand how much time and effort Competition CNC has donated to Rickeys racing program last year and this year. Maybe you should ask him. I've donated many thousands of dollars, a value well into 5 figures, ($xx,xxx) of time and labor to Rickey's racing program and I and Rickey feel my (very small) company deserve to be able to have a sticker on the bike. Rickey wouldn't have had the sticker on the bike if he didn't agree.
We also built the motor in Rickeys real street bike for the 2011 season. Does competition CNC deserve to have a sticker on that bike? Should another company have the right to remove the Competition CNC sticker on that bike.
I'm a little guy in this business compared to all the giants and I'm just trying to get a little bit of recognition for the hard work that went into this weekend and records that Rickey and Richard Gadson broke this weekend and maybe even grow the business, that's all.
I am sorry any of this happened but most of all I really hate the position you have put Rickey and myself in.
As I told you I made the pipe on the bike because no one makes a pipe of the dimensions the engine needed and since you insisted that the BST wheels had to be in used conjunction with your pipe I said that wouldn't be possible and I did not want to put a brocks emblem on the megaphone because its not a brocks megaphone. If I did that would be misleading.
Fish, theres much more to this that you don't know about but i'm not going to post it on here.
If you want to call me about it feel free and I can fill you in. Or better yet call Rickey. He will fill you in. I will give you his cell number if you like. Actually, now that i think about it, please do call Rickey about this so that you can here everything straight from him.
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