quote:Cool...I think that an extra 500 hp and awd might make a very big difference though. Will be very interesting to see. Obviously a 250 mph car in the mile is going to get there very quickly too....
I'm not putting money on that race either way We will just have to wait and see what happens ..I'm sure there will be videos ..
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
posted July 02, 2011 05:50 PM
Well really if you want keep apples to apples you need to couple the turbo car, with a turbo bike, it's not hard for a turbo bike to make 500 hp and weighs 750 pounds with a rider, that gives you a 1.5 pound for every horsepower, power to weight. the car at 3,410 @ 2000 hp= 1.7 power to weight. not hard to see who would win that race. A pro-Street bike will go 207 IN A 1/4 mile. I would like to race one of these cars on my NOS 14 Street bike. The only car I could find around my parts of the country was a 1500 hp super with slicks, I asked him to race at the track and he turned me down I think he knew what would happen.
posted July 02, 2011 05:56 PM
I think the nitrous is the way to go on a race like this. Ill post up a video when I get to my computer that shows nitrous bike turbo bike and a 1400hp supra that has gone 228 in the mile.
____________
PayPal, vigilart22@yahoo.com
posted July 03, 2011 07:17 AM
Edited By: shiphteey on 3 Jul 2011 15:18
Still a lot of paper racing going on. You can throw out weight to power ratios all you want, you can throw out aero drag numbers all you want, crunch numbers on what the best gearing would be, etc. But until you actually go out there, in the real world and do this routinely you are in for a rude awakening. We've seen sub-par performances at our spot by many bike/rider combos that should have "won" or should have run better numbers...even on built motors.
Karl, you've seen it for yourself first hand .... recalling the friendly rivalry between you & your 1427 and the Ace Performance 1287.....on paper (weight to power ratio) you should have routinely put up the bigger speeds....of course that wasn't always the case. Its not always as simple as just crunching numbers.
The ones who usually do the best aren't necessarily the ones with the most HP. Its the ones who have the best SETUP. The ones who have lots of SEAT TIME.
For a bike/rider combo to put up a good fight if not walk these Lambos in these specially catered speeds they would have to spend quite a bit of time testing and tuning, running over and over till their setup was just killer. THIS will be the SINGLE biggest factor in my opinion of how it all turns out. Best beleive these Lambos have already played this game at this speed over and over. You'd have to iron out virtually all of the wheelies and wheelspin because there is virtually no "catching up" to these types of Lambos if they get out and start pulling. As much street racing as I've done....and as much street racing as others have done.....you'd still have to spend lots of time doing real "40-160" runs.
The 40-160 callout keeps at bay the mega busas that put up ridiculous speeds up top but don't run quick enough in the 40-160 speeds to really threaten these Lambos. Gearing and wheelies/wheelspin will hold them back. On the other end of the coin, picking a lightweight literbike on spray with a lightweight experienced rider may still not quite be enough umph. That delicate balance between "too much" and "not enough" isn't easy to find for this type or run. Which is why the bigger bikes on spray may be the ticket....that or a properly setup low boost bike that spools quick without too much drama to upset the chassis.
The interesting thing I find in this discussion is that the obvious hasn't already been addressed with any real detail.
You don't race from 40 mph to 160 mph. Its simply too difficult to determine who WINS. If I gear my bike to hit 160 on the rev limiter in X gear but the car says he hit the speed first....how will we really know? And will people feel like someone really "won" if the vehicle that went 160 first is behind the other vehicle shortly thereafter?
The race doesn't really make sense. What you need is a predetermined DISTANCE. It needs to be stated clearly: 40 mph roll-on verified by GPS, synced up speeds for X feet or X tenths of a mile and run for X tenths of a mile.....period. This is still, after all an ET race with MPH bragging rights playing 2nd fiddle.
Once its been put out there....clearly......then certain bikes/riders can test/tune as needed to potentially prepare for such a run. Its only fair .... especially if they are the ones picking the start speed. Its all part of the negotiations and many street races fall apart before the 2 vehicle ever even line up due to perceived vagueness or a totally slanted race.
And surely when its all said and done there will be those who said "My bike is lighter" or "My bike is faster"....and these very people could have come out and participated. They may even have multiple vehicles that they could field that may do well......but by and large there are usually only a select few that even engage in these types of races.
A.
____________
Gemini Motorcycles
Topping out everything from Ninja 250s to nitrous ZX-14s.
posted July 03, 2011 08:58 AM
Ali,
I agree with you 110%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talk about hp/wt all you want, but a big motor/spray/turbo isn't going to win the race without:
1. the set up perfect for the job at hand, AND more importantly,
2. the rider being very experienced at squeezing the last drop out of the motor/set up at that particular type of venue.
On the positive side. with the bike it's a zillion times easier to make major gearing changes to suit the venue.
Go-Smoke-GO!!!!
____________
This moderator uses moderation in moderation
posted July 03, 2011 05:18 PM
Edited By: 01smokes on 4 Jul 2011 01:57
this is the race i was talking about, two local Houston bikes one nitrous and one turbo the supra in the video was on right at 1400hp 3.4 stroker with a 88mm IIRC
this race happened back at TX2k9 after the night meet, i was following the supra and bikes in a 830hp supra only a few people saw this race and i was lucky enough to be there
posted July 03, 2011 05:44 PM
If i saw it correctly, one bike (150 shot?) did in the supra to some lower speed,
then the supra walked the turbo busa to 200?
____________
This moderator uses moderation in moderation
quote:If i saw it correctly, one bike (150 shot?) did in the supra to some lower speed,
then the supra walked the turbo busa to 200?
people make stuff up, the race was shut down around 180 or so the bikes were out of gear and the owner of the nitrous busa told me he was on a 75 shot but who knows how true that was the turbo busa was on 8psi stock rods in that bike.
posted July 03, 2011 06:04 PM
Im sure some of you Houston guys know the bikes in the videos, the owner of the turbo bikes name is Bobby, I didnt catch the name of the owner of the nitrous bike but he was hanging out with a guy the call Heavy Hitter a big ass black guy that has a blue 70+" nitrous gen1
____________
PayPal, vigilart22@yahoo.com
posted July 04, 2011 06:11 AM
Smokes, years ago I raced my 12 against an 800HP Supra....a far cry from 1300HP but I found I still had enough to beat him pipe/pc3/filter/slightly regeared....no nitrous through 140 where he had problems upshifting into 5th apparently.
It seems like a decent rider/bike combo n/a stock motor should be able to hold off about that HP.....
For me I figure 1000 Hp would still not be enough to hang with me on the 12 for a 1/2 mile to 3/4 mile roll IMO if I spray.
Smokes, if you wouldn't mind contacting the car guys that are running Oct/March and asking them for a little more specific details in terms of distances that would be great. I'd rather not gear it too short and be on the limiter in 6th giving them a false victory....of course pissing in the wind with tall gearing and having these guys shut down runs before I even click 6th would be equally lame.....I got enough sprockets either way I'd just like to get an idea of what they're doing. Heck you may find them not really being able to answer the question because on a lot of HWY runs I've made its somewhat informal....go on 3rd honk/head nod and wring em out until it becomes obvious as speeds get blurry.....
But I'd rather have something more specific when going up against these types of cars....can't leave much in your back pocket when they're rolling this hard. PM would be best, thanks.
A.
____________
Gemini Motorcycles
Topping out everything from Ninja 250s to nitrous ZX-14s.
quote:Smokes, years ago I raced my 12 against an 800HP Supra....a far cry from 1300HP but I found I still had enough to beat him pipe/pc3/filter/slightly regeared....no nitrous through 140 where he had problems upshifting into 5th apparently.
It seems like a decent rider/bike combo n/a stock motor should be able to hold off about that HP.....
For me I figure 1000 Hp would still not be enough to hang with me on the 12 for a 1/2 mile to 3/4 mile roll IMO if I spray.
Smokes, if you wouldn't mind contacting the car guys that are running Oct/March and asking them for a little more specific details in terms of distances that would be great. I'd rather not gear it too short and be on the limiter in 6th giving them a false victory....of course pissing in the wind with tall gearing and having these guys shut down runs before I even click 6th would be equally lame.....I got enough sprockets either way I'd just like to get an idea of what they're doing. Heck you may find them not really being able to answer the question because on a lot of HWY runs I've made its somewhat informal....go on 3rd honk/head nod and wring em out until it becomes obvious as speeds get blurry.....
But I'd rather have something more specific when going up against these types of cars....can't leave much in your back pocket when they're rolling this hard. PM would be best, thanks.
A.
Will do man. And also I'll see if I can find some of my old street racing videos of me vs 900hp vette, me vs 1200hp TT cobra and one of me vs 850hp supra when my booza was 100% stone stock.
____________
PayPal, vigilart22@yahoo.com
posted July 04, 2011 09:48 AM
Good news everyone, I just got ahold of a local owner of a TTG and we will be setting up a race very soon I'll be on my sprayed zx14 it's a SWB bike with a pipe I'll also have my booza with me to race him on as well but I want to see what the zx14 will do 1st
posted July 04, 2011 09:55 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 4 Jul 2011 17:56
quote:Good news everyone, I just got ahold of a local owner of a TTG and we will be setting up a race very soon I'll be on my sprayed zx14 it's a SWB bike with a pipe I'll also have my booza with me to race him on as well but I want to see what the zx14 will do 1st
quote:Good news everyone, I just got ahold of a local owner of a TTG and we will be setting up a race very soon I'll be on my sprayed zx14 it's a SWB bike with a pipe I'll also have my booza with me to race him on as well but I want to see what the zx14 will do 1st
Nice!
Any idea of the hp/setup??
Ive seen the car one time only and this guy has more money than god I think lol all his toys are nasty as hell, I want to say the TTG is a Egear car with 1300-1400 hp it's not a UGR TTG but a Heffner kit On it.
____________
PayPal, vigilart22@yahoo.com
posted July 04, 2011 09:47 PM
Watching the nitrous busa destroy the supra(1400hp?) and it wasnt even close, that TTG even with awd is in big trouble. Spray is the way.. I doubt it was a 150 shot, but it did look quick.
____________
06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
posted July 04, 2011 10:03 PM
Edited By: 01smokes on 5 Jul 2011 06:04
This is a email I got from a owner of a s1000r that raced the TTG I'm trying to get to race me.
"Sounds like your current bikes should give the BMW a heck of a run. I'm guessing they are both a little heavier than the S1000?
Have you found a good place to run to big speeds that is safe-ish? I seriously do not want to get caught speeding at 185 in a 55! Also, not interested in dying! Freaking lambo hit the only pot hole in "Mexico" on one of the two times that he pulled me and launched a freaking meatloaf sized chunk of asphault at my head! It ended-up hitting my fairing at about 180 mph and cost me $1000 in new plastics. Could have cost me a lot more if it had hit my head, face, hand, knee, etc. Kinda scary!
Regarding the races with the TTG, he insisted on a 45 roll. BMW would take big lead. At about 165-175 the big lambo did pull past me twice. On the other races I just stayed in it til 185 and he never caught me. He only stayed in it on two of those runs, and on the other runs he had some reason for pulling out. Of course I didn't know that because you can't exactly look back over your shoulder when you are going 100+ on a fast bike!"
posted July 04, 2011 10:23 PM
If it took the lambo 165 175 to pull the beemer, i dont think you will have a problem if you are spraying. You will simply out accelerate the TTG so badly, the race will be over before he even gets into that big mph. Like the spraying busa did to the 1400hp supra, and no one in their right mind could call that a race judging by the video.
____________
06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
posted July 04, 2011 11:04 PM
Edited By: 01smokes on 5 Jul 2011 07:07
quote:If it took the lambo 165 175 to pull the beemer, i dont think you will have a problem if you are spraying. You will simply out accelerate the TTG so badly, the race will be over before he even gets into that big mph. Like the spraying busa did to the 1400hp supra, and no one in their right mind could call that a race judging by the video.
exactly what im thinking, also the BMW was 100% stone stock he said
____________
PayPal, vigilart22@yahoo.com
posted July 04, 2011 11:39 PM
40-160mph
A winning combo:
6in over wheelbase, 475lb, zx14
165lb rider or less.
120-150 shot deleivered early and quickly from 8000rpm
auto shifter
16/47 gearing.
good chasis set-up
hit first
tuck
game over with in a 1000 feet.
____________
Fastest Stock Motor, Stock Bodywork, Hand Clutch, N/A Super Heavy Hitter on the Planet!
Fastest Stock Motor, Stock Bodywork, Hand Clutch, Nitrous Super Heavy Hitter on the Planet!
Bikeland 1/8 mile 5 sec.N/A Stock Motor Club Member.
Repersenting: BLACK ICE PERFORMANCE and NO QUARTER MOTORSPORTS
Nitrous and Tires Sponsored by: Custom Specialties Cycles
Dyno Tuned by: Garron of ADAMS PERFORMANCE. http://www.adamsperformance.net/
BlackIce Performance: Honor, Freedom, Love of Country!
(I am open to Sponsorship and Product Testing and Review. Contact BlackIce Performance at blackice_performance@yahoo.com) or BlackIce Perf on Facebook
All times are America/Va [ This thread is 6 pages long: 123456Next» ]
HOME
NEW TOPIC
posted July 02, 2011 05:43 PM
We will just have to wait and see what happens ..I'm sure there will be videos ..
Edited By: 
