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posted July 02, 2011 07:10 AM
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Yeah, but the ET will in this case will mostly tell you if the chassis/gearing is set up for drag racing (it's not). The mph will be a good indicator of hp, though...Then you have to factor in the AWD and no wheelies.
The best way to find out is for someone to step up to the plate! Easy to win races on the forums...that goes for cars and bikes!  
  
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posted July 02, 2011 07:12 AM
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The best way to find out is for someone to step up to the plate!
they won't race a bike at the drag strip .. or i'd race them .. they want street racing at night and in the city limits ..
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posted July 02, 2011 07:12 AM
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they won't race a bike at the drag strip ..
Yeah...and that is why they are stipulating 40-160 mph....but those are the terms. And some people here figure they can win that race....
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posted July 02, 2011 07:17 AM
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i set my bike up last year to run this 60 to 130 thing they had at the dragstrip at tx2k10 and previous years .. but they didn't have it last year and if they did it didn't go into the record books ..so i said screw it..
01smokes got a good chance if he knows what he doing and he brings a true 300hp busa with gearing for preset terms of a 40 to 160mph roll-on
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posted July 02, 2011 07:45 AM
Mid 150s with GOOD drivers is what I saw.
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posted July 02, 2011 07:49 AM
I've gone over 150 on roy's bike with the wrong gearing, shifter issues, a/f ratio not optimal, no nitrous and no fairings with a light headwind.
Roy's bike has gone over 160.0 through the 1/4 mile before with some HP left on the table for reliability's sake. Roy's bike isn't exactly lightweight and it wouldn't be hard to swap some minor stuff around to drop significant weight.
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posted July 02, 2011 08:15 AM
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Stock motor bikes can run upper 150's in the 1/4 on race fuel and with lightweight riders. Does that mean a stock motor bike is a match for a 1500 hp AWD car in a roll-on race?
Using the logic being tossed around in this thread, I guess the answer is "yes". 
Supersport bikes can run in the 160 mph range....and they are low 200's in hp....you won't likely see them challenging 1500 hp cars, either.
Who is setting up the first race? Can't wait to hear the details....maybe this car will be all bark??
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posted July 02, 2011 08:21 AM
I've trapped in the mid 160s here in ABQ on the dope, down in Texas I bet I'll go about 172, I'm gonna shorten the bike up to about 64" and bring the spray in easy, ramp from 2nd gear on up I'll be in 1st gear on motor from a 40 roll with 17-48 gearing and I don't see a street car on the planet that can leave from a 40 roll like I can. If we leave even I'll win no doubt in my mind, if they try to steal the hit I won't go, I'll keep the spray soft to not shock the tire and bring me to spin..
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posted July 02, 2011 08:23 AM
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I've trapped in the mid 160s here in ABQ on the dope, down in Texas I bet I'll go about 172, I'm gonna shorten the bike up to about 64" and bring the spray in easy, ramp from 2nd gear on up I'll be in 1st gear on motor from a 40 roll with 17-48 gearing and I don't see a street car on the planet that can leave from a 40 roll like I can. If we leave even I'll win no doubt in my mind, if they try to steal the hit I won't go, I'll keep the spray soft to not shock the tire and bring me to spin..
So, is that your official position : "No Street Car on the Planet can leave from a 40 roll like I can."??
This thread is getting pretty rich....lot's of fun. We need some car guys in here....
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posted July 02, 2011 08:25 AM
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Stock motor bikes can run upper 150's in the 1/4 on race fuel and with lightweight riders. Does that mean a stock motor bike is a match for a 1500 hp AWD car in a roll-on race?
Using the logic being tossed around in this thread, I guess the answer is "yes".
Supersport bikes can run in the 160 mph range....and they are low 200's in hp....you won't likely see them challenging 1500 hp cars, either.
Who is setting up the first race? Can't wait to hear the details....maybe this car will be all bark??
Shane
Trap speed is a factor but not everything, I'm banking on them running out or road, they might be coming up on me like a mother fucker but I'll get to 160 before they will and I will shut down and will take the W
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posted July 02, 2011 08:26 AM
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I've trapped in the mid 160s here in ABQ on the dope, down in Texas I bet I'll go about 172, I'm gonna shorten the bike up to about 64" and bring the spray in easy, ramp from 2nd gear on up I'll be in 1st gear on motor from a 40 roll with 17-48 gearing and I don't see a street car on the planet that can leave from a 40 roll like I can. If we leave even I'll win no doubt in my mind, if they try to steal the hit I won't go, I'll keep the spray soft to not shock the tire and bring me to spin..
So, is that your official position : "No Street Car on the Planet can leave from a 40 roll like I can."??
This thread is getting pretty rich....lot's of fun. We need some car guys in here....
Well not any that I have found and I have raced ALOT more cars than what most have.
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posted July 02, 2011 08:26 AM
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Trap speed is a factor but not everything, I'm banking on them running out or road, they might be coming up on me like a mother fucker but I'll get to 160 before they will and I will shut down and will take the W
Did you already contact the Lambo guy??
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posted July 02, 2011 08:37 AM
Smokes you better hope the lambo guy doesn't put a Jon Von rocket on the back of the car ..
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posted July 02, 2011 08:42 AM
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Trap speed is a factor but not everything, I'm banking on them running out or road, they might be coming up on me like a mother fucker but I'll get to 160 before they will and I will shut down and will take the W
Did you already contact the Lambo guy??
They know I'll be in Houston in march there will be about 10 or so of them again to pick from power will be from 1000-2000 hp is what I have been hearing
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posted July 02, 2011 08:58 AM
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Stock motor bikes can run upper 150's in the 1/4 on race fuel and with lightweight riders. Does that mean a stock motor bike is a match for a 1500 hp AWD car in a roll-on race?
Using the logic being tossed around in this thread, I guess the answer is "yes".
Supersport bikes can run in the 160 mph range....and they are low 200's in hp....you won't likely see them challenging 1500 hp cars, either.
Who is setting up the first race? Can't wait to hear the details....maybe this car will be all bark??
Shane
A stock motor bike setup properly and tuned well with a lightweight rider riding properly goes about as fast as I did on Roy's bike with no fairings, setup imperfectly with shifting issues, geared tall without nitrous. So yes, Logic would dictate that Roy's bike would have MUCH MORE potential had it had the fairings on, spray on, geared right, setup properly. Roy's bike is going down to get freshened up so it wouldn't be ready for a while. Not to mention as the owner of the bike, he would have to be inclined to have his bike compete in that type of thing. The direction of this thread seemed to be discussing what it would take to beat the car...you are the only one here pushing setting something up. If you want to run it that bad you can set something up yourself and run him yourself.
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posted July 02, 2011 10:06 AM
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Whatever you say, Ali.
You came in saying you think you have a good chance to beat the car. All I'm saying is that talk is cheap. Instead of everyone talking about how they "could" do this or that...let's see something happen.
I'm more interested in hearing about an actual race, than some internet shit-talking. If you think you can beat the car, then set it up and back up your words. Otherwise there is nothing but hot air blowing around in this thread...except for 01smokes, that is. I think he is serious about trying to back up his words.
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posted July 02, 2011 10:08 AM
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A stock motor bike setup properly and tuned well with a lightweight rider riding properly goes about as fast as I did on Roy's bike with no fairings, setup imperfectly with shifting issues, geared tall without nitrous.
150 mph? Please...stock motor bikes with jockeys run much faster than that...I know dragracing is not really something you follow...but even a heavier rider on a stock motor bike can run 150 mph. Regardless, no stock motor bikes would be a match (in a roll-on race) for a true 1500 hp AWD drive car that is properly set up, and you know this. The point was you can't judge the capability by just the 1/4 mile trap speeed.
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posted July 02, 2011 10:40 AM
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Well not any that I have found and I have raced ALOT more cars than what most have.
Over on PB the guy was saying somewhere in the 170's mph in the 1/4 for the Lambo?? Is that what you took out of it?? 170's mph in the 1/4 would be pretty brutal for a car set up like that...
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posted July 02, 2011 10:53 AM
Nigga, you talk BIG SHIT for someone who doesn't actually DO THIS KIND OF THING.
Where were you last night? I can tell you where I was and what I was doing...it wasn't weighing parts and taking pictures. It was orchestrating Hwy mayhem with a nitrous 1340 busa and bmw....as well as a couple of 10Rs.
Where were you last weekend? You already know where I was.
And you already know what I'm doing just about any dry weekend too....even wet ones....even in the fucking sleet.
What....you race ONCE A YEAR on average?
And yet somehow you think you can just shotcall and goad people into racing? I don't give 2 shits about you sitting on the bench from the sidelines. I've traveled great distances on multiple occaisions to race on the streets....something which you've never done, nor will you ever do.
Do I think I could put up a good fight against one of those 1000-1500 AWHP Lambos in a 40 mph to 160 mph roll-on? Yes I do. Take a look at the guy who's about 100 lbs heavier than me, hand clutching with a pretty heavy bike and a "big guy type" tuck. We can get Roy's bike even lighter with ease....lord knows you already know that because you've weighed every parts on the 12 and 14 to know that. And I'm sure you already know we didn't "go for broke" on a kamikaze pass at Maxton either.
So yes, I think I could outperform that big bore Busa on Roy's bigger bore/stroked motor...my weight is an advantage in these types of matches we can get it lighter just by me throwing my wheels on his bike. We'd have to work on setup and chassis more than anything else because I'd need to be able to stick it "fast and hard" with no drama in terms of wheelspin and wheelies...but that can be done, should Roy be inclined to participate in something like that. But he's a grown ass man, as am I, and neither of us would need to answer to you.
The BIG DIFFERENCE between you and I in this situation is that I'm more likely to ACTUALLY race this guy, or any guy, regardless of where they live or slight disadvantages based on theoretical calculcations. You would NEVER participate in this sort of thing. The last person I'd need to answer to regarding street racing is someone who DOESN'T DO IT AND RACES ON AVERAGE ONCE A YEAR. Put your life on the line as often as I do then maybe someone will listen to what you have to say regarding the matter.
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posted July 02, 2011 10:53 AM
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Well not any that I have found and I have raced ALOT more cars than what most have.
Over on PB the guy was saying somewhere in the 170's mph in the 1/4 for the Lambo?? Is that what you took out of it?? 170's mph in the 1/4 would be pretty brutal for a car set up like that...
The fastest street car I have ever races ran 8.3@176 and it was ugly. Ya he didn't have AWD but he was set to to go fast with a ams1000 and traction control and what not.
But ya I think only one of the lambos has ever been that quick in the 1/4 its the owner of UGR NERA is what I think they call it. It was in Houston I heard but never came out because no one could beat SW sg lambo or Tims green car or the other lambos.
I didn't do ANY street racing on my bikes in 2011 but we raced around in the supra and the other "street" cars that my friends took.
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posted July 02, 2011 11:05 AM
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Nigga, you talk BIG SHIT for someone who doesn't actually DO THIS KIND OF THING.
Where were you last night? I can tell you where I was and what I was doing...it wasn't weighing parts and taking pictures. It was orchestrating Hwy mayhem with a nitrous 1340 busa and bmw....as well as a couple of 10Rs.
Where were you last weekend? You already know where I was.
And you already know what I'm doing just about any dry weekend too....even wet ones....even in the fucking sleet.
What....you race ONCE A YEAR on average?
And yet somehow you think you can just shotcall and goad people into racing? I don't give 2 shits about you sitting on the bench from the sidelines. I've traveled great distances on multiple occaisions to race on the streets....something which you've never done, nor will you ever do.
Do I think I could put up a good fight against one of those 1000-1500 AWHP Lambos in a 40 mph to 160 mph roll-on? Yes I do. Take a look at the guy who's about 100 lbs heavier than me, hand clutching with a pretty heavy bike and a "big guy type" tuck. We can get Roy's bike even lighter with ease....lord knows you already know that because you've weighed every parts on the 12 and 14 to know that. And I'm sure you already know we didn't "go for broke" on a kamikaze pass at Maxton either.
So yes, I think I could outperform that big bore Busa on Roy's bigger bore/stroked motor...my weight is an advantage in these types of matches we can get it lighter just by me throwing my wheels on his bike. We'd have to work on setup and chassis more than anything else because I'd need to be able to stick it "fast and hard" with no drama in terms of wheelspin and wheelies...but that can be done, should Roy be inclined to participate in something like that. But he's a grown ass man, as am I, and neither of us would need to answer to you.
The BIG DIFFERENCE between you and I in this situation is that I'm more likely to ACTUALLY race this guy, or any guy, regardless of where they live or slight disadvantages based on theoretical calculcations. You would NEVER participate in this sort of thing. The last person I'd need to answer to regarding street racing is someone who DOESN'T DO IT AND RACES ON AVERAGE ONCE A YEAR. Put your life on the line as often as I do then maybe someone will listen to what you have to say regarding the matter.
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You are pretty far off the mark, in every regard. I must say, that is a pretty nice piece of ego-pumping self-promotion that you have drafted there.
As far as your claims about me racing on average "once a year". That is pretty funny....and a complete fabrication. You know it is not true...but as usual, bending the truth is not something you are above. 
Please set up the race with the Lambo...then you can show how fast you are. Otheriwise you are just talking shit, as previously stated.
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posted July 02, 2011 11:18 AM
Really Shane, you race more than once a year....ok twice? Please enlighten us all...how many races have you personally been in in 2011? 2010?
Surely you aren't calling infinite test and tune runs actually RACING, right?
Ego pumping? I just believe in myself and my abilities. Thats an important part of racing. Much of it is mental. I'm not like you where I only show up if I'm virtually guaranteed to win. I went looking for races last night against way faster bikes, so cut the shit.
Like I said, the last person I would ever answer to is a fair weather "racer" trying to set something up. Who are you again? What business is it of yours? What reason does anyone have to answer to you?
This thread was about discussing what it would take to beat said Lambos. You think because you attempt to push people to race they actually need to bow to you?
If/when the time comes for me to race the Lambo just about everyone out there, on this site or otherwise knows the type of person I am...I'm the type to definatley "answer the call" if Roy is remotely interested in this sort of thing. Just like we all know you WON'T be out there.
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posted July 02, 2011 11:25 AM
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Really Shane, you race more than once a year....ok twice? Please enlighten us all...how many races have you personally been in in 2011? 2010?
Surely you aren't calling infinite test and tune runs actually RACING, right?
Ego pumping? I just believe in myself and my abilities. Thats an important part of racing. Much of it is mental. I'm not like you where I only show up if I'm virtually guaranteed to win. I went looking for races last night against way faster bikes, so cut the shit.
Like I said, the last person I would ever answer to is a fair weather "racer" trying to set something up. Who are you again? What business is it of yours? What reason does anyone have to answer to you?
This thread was about discussing what it would take to beat said Lambos. You think because you attempt to push people to race they actually need to bow to you?
If/when the time comes for me to race the Lambo just about everyone out there, on this site or otherwise knows the type of person I am...I'm the type to definatley "answer the call" if Roy is remotely interested in this sort of thing. Just like we all know you WON'T be out there.
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Ego pumping, yes. It is what you are known for...being immature, emotional, and having a big ego....basically what everyone has been saying for years hasn't changed.
So, like I say...set up the race with the car...otherwise you are still just talking shit...another thing you are well known for.
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posted July 02, 2011 11:48 AM
some data
at 1500hp its a push smoke vs Lambo, IF smoke can hit it with 300hp at 40mph
lambo wt___hp_____hp/lb
3410_____1500_____0.44
700_______300_____0.43
at 1800hp smoke gets smoked
lambo wt___hp_____hp/lb
3410_____1800_____0.53
700_______300_____0.43
that's what hp/wt would indicate.
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posted July 02, 2011 11:51 AM
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some data
at 1500hp its a push smoke vs Lambo, IF smoke can hit it with 300hp at 40mph
lambo wt___hp_____hp/lb
3410_____1500_____0.44
700_______300_____0.43
at 1800hp smoke gets smoked
lambo wt___hp_____hp/lb
3410_____1800_____0.53
700_______300_____0.43
that's what hp/wt would indicate.
Traction and wheelies....big factors. Then there is the power and torque that the two vehicles are realistically making at that 40 mph speed...
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