JSmooth
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posted April 21, 2011 05:53 AM
Muzzy M14 vs Brock Short Meg
I know there has been a conversation on here as to which each prefers however, my question is how many of you are using the M14/M10 versus the Brock exhaust and what are the numbers you are getting out it? I know Brock makes a great exhaust system and many will say that Brock's customer service is what sold them over Muzzy and not to mention a custom map. I know many will say one out performs the other however, the case maybe but if that is the case then what exhaust system is RG using on his 14 and why? Not to mention wouldn't one think that if Muzzy had the ZX-14 long before it made it's debut and would have tested their best systems on this bike to get the best results not saying Brock isn't or hasn't and I am not bashing just very inquisitive about these two super powers. Not trying to cause a Exhaust War just trying to get some realistic test results from those that are running these exhaust to their full potential. I have read articles but to me hearing from those that are really running these bikes would know more then someone dyno racing and calling a cow a chicken only to sell more beef!
  
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Shane661
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posted April 21, 2011 05:57 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 21 Apr 2011 14:23
I had both. M14 runs just as strong as the Short Meg. It has better ground clearance and is cheaper.
Brock's is lighter, higher quality, better map support, and more expensive.
Decide what is most important to you, and the purchase decision is easy.
Shane
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CraigChrist
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posted April 21, 2011 06:11 AM
also, the m14 isn't the original muzzy pipe for the 14. It's their second take on a street exhaust for it that came out after brocks pipe smacked the piss out of the older m10. Like was stated, they both make good power. I personally don't care for the short meg because it will burn the zipper out of your leathers on the launch. Street meg is where it's at in my opinion. If you already had an m14 I would say that it's not worth it to sell it and buy the brocks. if you're just starting out, look around and find a used brocks. The money will be well spent.
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eklipse636
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posted April 21, 2011 07:53 AM
brocks.
ive been 8.89 and i was a hair over 215 suited
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Best: 60ft 1.351 1/8 5.68 mph 123.98 1/4
8.89 mph 151.32
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JZX
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posted April 21, 2011 09:30 AM
The m14 header is stronger then the paper thin hindle. The brocks CT is way better then the cheap hindle metal.
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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JSmooth
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posted April 21, 2011 10:50 AM
Thanks guys more please as to the power
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eklipse636
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posted April 21, 2011 11:15 AM
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The m14 header is stronger then the paper thin hindle. The brocks CT is way better then the cheap hindle metal.
the bottom of my header is dented in god from landing wheelies. no holes....
its thin to reduce weight.
i dont recall ever hearing about a brocks header breaking because of how thin it is.
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JZX
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posted April 21, 2011 11:42 AM
One other thing I will say is the m14 with m10 can really fits the bike. I mean,every bit of the pipe is "out of the way", never touches my shoe or boot, even when you have a passenger. It's just in the rite spot and touches nothing on the bike. Not sure if Brock's Hindle pipes have fitment issues or not, but in my opinion, the non-hindle made CT exhuast systems Brock has are the best I have ever seen and they make power. Rickey had a bike with a green CT, if I would have had the $$$$ at the time, that exhuast would be on my bike.
Also,it took 2 seperate email attempts by me to recieve a map from muzzy, two weeks later. I revently posted dyno comparisons from the map they sent me compared to a custom map we had to make from scratch becuase theirs was so far off. That could have offset the price from a more expensive brock system considering a few hours on the dyno for a full map can run upwards of 300$. So assuming brocks map is spot on for your DA, one of his systems could be the better deal cost wise. Something to think about before buying..
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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CraigChrist
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posted April 21, 2011 11:47 AM
if you slam a wheelie down onto a muzzy it'll smash it too. I'd rather have a bike with a brocks that lays down the numbers at the track than one with a muzzys that is awesome on the dyno and can't perform. just my .02... I know of a 14 in NE texas that has gone 5.75@126 and 8.98@150 in 100+ degree heat at 63" wheelbase with a brocks pipe...
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JZX
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posted April 21, 2011 12:00 PM
quote:
if you slam a wheelie down onto a muzzy it'll smash it too. I'd rather have a bike with a brocks that lays down the numbers at the track than one with a muzzys that is awesome on the dyno and can't perform. just my .02... I know of a 14 in NE texas that has gone 5.75@126 and 8.98@150 in 100+ degree heat at 63" wheelbase with a brocks pipe...
On the 30th, I guess I will find out how far into the 8's this M14 will take me, once I knock the dust off my clutch hand. At my weight, if I go a 1.4 anything, this 06 bike of mine will pull those numbers. I will leave it on pump gas for the crazy 8's index.
Craig, I'm sure I will see your dad there?
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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Master
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posted April 21, 2011 12:06 PM
Edited By: Master on 21 Apr 2011 20:08
dont listen to Bawls he doesnt even have a bike.
He Quit ridding as soon as he seen what the great orange and blk busa 08 could do.
Chad what up with the glove's.
Hay did here our buddie Justin running 8.8's with good air and DA.
Man would have been nice to have been there to see it.
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CraigChrist
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posted April 21, 2011 12:18 PM
i'll get ahold of wayne for you today. I sold my bike because I was tired of dragging that same black and orange busa down the track every week :P. I know of quite a few cali bikes that would go into the 8's with ease in maryland lol.
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Shane661
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posted April 21, 2011 12:29 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 21 Apr 2011 20:42
quote:
if you slam a wheelie down onto a muzzy it'll smash it too. I'd rather have a bike with a brocks that lays down the numbers at the track than one with a muzzys that is awesome on the dyno and can't perform. just my .02... I know of a 14 in NE texas that has gone 5.75@126 and 8.98@150 in 100+ degree heat at 63" wheelbase with a brocks pipe...
The Muzzy makes just as much power and has better ground clearance. You will smash a Short Meg header way sooner than the Muzzy. I've had both, and the Muzzy ran great... no doubt equal power to my Shortmeg, based on how the bike performed at the dragstrip and Maxton.
Now, that being said...the Brock pipe is better made, much lighter, and the map support cannot be beat by any other vendor. Customer service is also top notch. I have to say that the Shortmeg is probably my favorite overall exhaust of the systems I have owned for the 14.
Brock's:
Muzzy M14:
You can see that the Muzzy primary tubes are canted at the collector, for more clearance, You can also see how much higher quality the Brock's pipe is. Now I "should" bow out of this thread before it turns into a flame war of epic proportions. 
Shane
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JZX
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posted April 21, 2011 12:36 PM
Being that the muzzys Y pipe is welded and brocks has a spring to hold it on?-how is it built better?
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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Shane661
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posted April 21, 2011 12:41 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 21 Apr 2011 20:43
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Being that the muzzys Y pipe is welded and brocks has a spring to hold it on?-how is it built better?
The welds were kind of ugly on my Muzzy in comparison to the Brocks. The pipes were not "aligned" as well. Also, the Brock's has spigots which I prefer. And you can replace individual pipe sections on the Brock's.
Don't get me wrong, I like the Muzzy a lot and it is good bang for the buck. I wouldn't hesitate to run one, especially at the price.
Shane
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JZX
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posted April 21, 2011 12:43 PM
I see 
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Audioboyz
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posted April 21, 2011 12:56 PM
I don't think I'll worry about hitting my pipe on the ground since I don't slam it or lower the rear.Ground clearance isn't an issue.I bought my Alien head used for $650.00 so price wasn't an issue.Also got 5 maps from Brock within a week.I know it's an Alien head not a Shortmeg but when I got it it's a work of art.The baffle part is beautiful.And if I smash it or otherwise damage it I'll buy a M-14 cause it was a close second for me.I ride streetbikes not racebikes that go very fast.I might race it a few times.
Craig
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gilberjj
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posted April 21, 2011 02:19 PM
The m14 made a touch more power during a recent dyno competition, and Adams runs Muzzys pipes now and they've won just about everything. The m14 muzzy stuff will make just as much power as any Brocks pipe. That's my 2 cents.
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CraigChrist
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posted April 21, 2011 02:37 PM
Don't go by professional race teams. They're going to run what pays them the most. Chances are none of us can ride a bike well enough to really notice 1-2 hp difference so get what you like the looks and sound of.
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eklipse636
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posted April 21, 2011 02:40 PM
One thing to consider...
Who do you see supporting all the big drag racing events?? Brock's
How many years has it been since Rob Muzzy was seen at a event, sponsoring it?
Just another point for Brock for actually supporting a sport we take part in.
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posted April 21, 2011 03:34 PM
Save yourself a bundle and try a Yosh! Bawls and elimina8tor secretly endorse them fully!
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08smokes
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posted September 03, 2012 09:31 PM
Bump. I have the M14 on my 08' ZX14 that has an SS head and 47mm TB's. I really want the Brock's Full CT Meg- I know it's lighter, beauitful, hugs the bike, etc. Approximately
how much extra HP do you think i'll see with the Brock's over the M14? Honest opinions will help to see if I can justify the purchase.
Thanks,
Mike
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08smokes
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posted September 04, 2012 04:12 PM
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ZX14MAN
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posted September 05, 2012 03:37 PM
Not familiar with the M4 but I have the Brock's full dual system on the way.
Just sayin'.
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