head_zx14ninja
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posted April 06, 2011 05:14 PM
zx14 pcv with or without o2 sensor sontroller
Hey guys,
Got a bit of a problem... I ordered a pcv for my 2010 zx14. Long story short i get a call today from the shop where i ordered it and the guy is telling me about some dynojet o2 sensor controller that ill need otherwise it wont run properly at anything under 20%. He did not sound like he knew at all what he was talking about so i rang the guy who will be dyno tuning it and he says i dont need it. I also checked out the dynojet website and this is what it says....
"The O2 Sensor Controller is a small digital module that interfaces with the bike's O2 sensor circuit and ECU. It allows the Power Commander to correctly adjust the normally fixed "closed loop" area (throttle openings of less than 33% and rpm less than 4500) of the fuel curve. Without this device, the bike would be locked into an overly lean condition in the above throttle and rpm ranges.
Model applications: Aprilia Mille '04-'05, Triumph Daytona '03-'04
Now... im picking up my pcv tomorrow and plan on also installing it tomorrow and throwing on a pre-tuned map to match all my mods like trc system, filter, flies out etc.. I plan on riding the bike for about a month or so before i go and get my custom map.
So my questions to you guys are, if im loading a pretuned map suited to my mods on the pcv will i need it? if im going a complete custom map down the track will i need it? WILL I NEED IT AT ALL? it's really doing my head in because i have never heard of anyone using it nor have i used it on my previous 2 power commander euipped bikes.
All help appreciated.
Martin
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eklipse636
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posted April 06, 2011 05:17 PM
I haven't heard of this. There are a lot of guys that has the pcv and no problems.
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head_zx14ninja
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posted April 06, 2011 05:37 PM
thats what i was thinking eklipse636..... even though im not much of a forum poster i have spent hours and hours on end scouring all the forums related to the bike reading and researching..... like yourself i have never heard of this even being mentioned....
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BoShimTang
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posted April 06, 2011 05:37 PM
I have no idea but I am anxious to hear what others say. I just ordered a PCV with the Auto tune unit from powercommander.com and they didn't mention anything about needing a separate O2 sensor.
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wrongway
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posted April 06, 2011 06:02 PM
I think it depends on wether or not your bike came stock with an O2 sensor. The european models have a closed loop system and the PCV proabably needs to have the O2 input for the PCVand ECU to work correcty.
US models have no O2 sensor so the power commander doesnt need one ...
But that is just a guess
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head_zx14ninja
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posted April 06, 2011 06:11 PM
Roy you just put into plain English what I was thinking 
I remember fitting my full system and I didn't remove any Lambda sensors of any kind, I'm looking at the stock header etc as I'm typing this and there is no sensor or a bung in the exhaust for one. I'm also recalling the mechanic at the Kawasaki dealer telling me if I want to go the autotune I'll have to put a bung in my pipe and fit an oxy sensor...
Any body have any other input??
Thanks Roy you just kick started my memory an brain haha
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BobC
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posted April 07, 2011 12:34 AM
 Edited By: BobC on 7 Apr 2011 08:35
I think that's correct. The sales guy must have been talking about the lambda sensor which allows auto-tune on the PCV.
If you fit an aftermarket system you will need to weld on the threaded boss to the link pipe so you can fit the Dynojet O2 sensor.
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head_zx14ninja
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posted April 07, 2011 01:59 AM
Well BobC I think I'm going to go with that theory, the only reason I really looked into it was because dynojet have there own o2 sensor, o2 sensor controller and o2 sensor blocker which I think you use if your dash shows you an F1 error...
Anyway I'm picking my Pcv up tomorrow and putting it on, if I run into anything I'll be sure to let everyone know but i don't think i will, plus a little pissed that this happened because the guy at the store cancelled my delivery for today an moved it to tomorrow so it arrives together with the sensor I don't need, he was either trying to help or trying to sting me for something unnecessary just think he should have at least called me and asked me before he did that as I just wasted a day off for his mucking about...
Another quick question for anyone reading this... Can the power shifter be adjusted etc via the LCD display dynojet sell? Or do you have to plug in your laptop to the bike to change any values?
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted April 07, 2011 05:50 AM
The OEM O2 sensor is only fitted to European bikes.
The O2 sensor and O2 sensor controller from Dynojet, I assume are the component parts of their Autotune.
The sensor eliminator (blocker) plugs in in place of the OEM sensor to prevent an FI warning. You don't need it on US bikes and anyway it doesn't work on 09 up bikes as I found out to my cost!
If you go to the Autotune at a later date the kit includes the correct bung that you have to weld into your
system.
If you go with the LCD dysplay make sure you order the right one for your Power Commander.(there is more than one display)
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chrisdhall
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posted April 07, 2011 11:30 AM
I have the PCV and Autotune on my 09 ZX14 (UK model). I fitted it about a year ago with Dynojet's OEM O2 sensor eliminator. After fitting, the engine would cut out intermittently (not good!!!!). Dynojet eventually traced the problem to the O2 sensor eliminator (I currently run without it, which means I have to cancel the FI error every time I ride - annoying). However Dynojet have now launched an "O2 optimiser" for the ZX14. I'm waiting for it to be delivered (since November) and I can try it out.
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BrucerZX14
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posted April 07, 2011 12:17 PM
quote:
Well BobC I think I'm going to go with that theory, the only reason I really looked into it was because dynojet have there own o2 sensor, o2 sensor controller and o2 sensor blocker which I think you use if your dash shows you an F1 error...
Anyway I'm picking my Pcv up tomorrow and putting it on, if I run into anything I'll be sure to let everyone know but i don't think i will, plus a little pissed that this happened because the guy at the store cancelled my delivery for today an moved it to tomorrow so it arrives together with the sensor I don't need, he was either trying to help or trying to sting me for something unnecessary just think he should have at least called me and asked me before he did that as I just wasted a day off for his mucking about...
Another quick question for anyone reading this... Can the power shifter be adjusted etc via the LCD display dynojet sell? Or do you have to plug in your laptop to the bike to change any values?
US models don't have the O2 sensor. Only Euro ZX14s have O2 sensors. I have an '09 ZX14 and am running a PC V.
The only reason you would add an O2 sensor is if you decide to add the autotune module. Then you'd need to buy a bung to weld into the exhaust.
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Audioboyz
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posted April 07, 2011 01:32 PM
I put my PCV on my 09 18 months ago and am glad I didn't run into this.I got 5 Brocks maps I'm going to be trying.When I get happy with one I'll get it dynoed to check the A/F ratio.Think I'm going to get a custom dyno tune eventually.
Craig
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head_zx14ninja
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posted April 07, 2011 01:33 PM
I Think GREYHOUNDMOSES said the bung comes in the autotune kit which is nice. I dont think the autotune is for me anyway, I'll probably spend all my time working out what the differences are on certain days rather than riding the bike lol... Powershifter is on the list though
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head_zx14ninja
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posted April 08, 2011 04:57 AM
All sorted loaded map of choice but I just really don't like where the instructions tell you to fit it because it looks crap.... I think I might not put the fairing back on and spend a few hours tomorrow running it under the seat.... Id seriously rather try crack the nut on a countershaft sprocket with a spanner then mess around with wires and looms...
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Rook
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posted April 08, 2011 04:41 PM
I had a PCV on my 08 flies out stock everything else. Ran it for a year and no problems. Didn't have an o2 sensor until I installed Autotune. Seems to me if you are getting a tune, the tuner will tune for under 4500 rpm and use his own sniffer to test emissions.
Haven't ever heard of anyone using an o2 sensor with DJ stuff unless they had Autotune or WB2 to self tune.
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Audioboyz
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posted April 08, 2011 07:19 PM
I got mine on the left ram air tube.I had a long wire like your talking about last year.I tried running it under my fuel tank but it got pinched between the tank and the plastic grille.So I put a Brocks map in it and if I want to change it I can take the Ram air tube cover off and pull the PC off and access it through there.
Craig
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Rook
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posted April 08, 2011 07:47 PM
PCV can be installed under seat.
http://zx14ninjaforum.com/messages.cfm?threadid=CB3D3987-1372-66AE-3BE3B16BC01CC701
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head_zx14ninja
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posted April 09, 2011 02:10 AM
all sorted but not happy with the map 
(off to the dynometer sooner than i thought)
i tried doing a few test runs and making some adjustments but im a bit paranoid doing this as i dont have a license for another 8 days...
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vic
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posted May 26, 2011 06:41 PM
Hi guys, I think the hole idea of the autotune from dyno- jet is just as it says in its name, autotune adjusts your air/fuel ratio using its 02 sensor .so for you guys that don't want to dyno tune your bike at a shop, the autotune adjusts your A/F well u ride.
As for the UK models, they already have a O2 sensor, which creates a problem... Don't even want to go there lol!
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ZZR-Treiber
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posted May 29, 2011 09:21 AM
IT´S DONE !!!
My self made module works. It reads the afr from the PC5/Autotune via can-bus, converts it
into a switching signal (like the oem o2 sensor) around a selectable afr, and is given back
to the ECU by the oem connector for the oem o2 sensor.
I just come back from a 100Km ride and, unbelievable, it works !!!
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vic
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posted May 29, 2011 09:50 AM
Hi guys, I have a Canadian non O2 sensor 2009 ZX14. The bike has a full muzzy M14 exhaust system, K&N filter and a muzzy ignition advancer set at 5 degrees advance with the power commander V. I think the bike is running way to lean at idle to about 4500rpm. I'm running a muzzy map and my flies are still in.
My question is, if I get the autotune module and install it with it's supplied 02 sensor. Will it adjust the A/F mixture from idle to red line?
Also if I remove the flies, will the autotune re-adjust accordingly ?
Vic Thx
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head_zx14ninja
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posted May 29, 2011 09:57 AM
Autotune will re-adjust accordingly if you remove your flies. That's the beauty of autotune "should" have the best map worked out for all variables eg. Weather conditions.... I'd still prefer a custom map on the dyno....
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vic
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posted May 29, 2011 11:05 AM
Thanks head zx14ninja, that's what I needed too know. I just don't like the idea that my bikes going on a dyno for three hours getting redlined over and over at a$400.00 cost.
I like the auto tune idea.
What I don't get is if the Europe model zx14 already has a 02 sensor, that tells me it's got an auto adjustment on the fly all the time, installed from kawasaki in the ECM. so you would think if you did any mods it would re-adjust the air fuel mixture on it's own. Tell me my heads not spinning lol!
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chrisdhall
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posted May 30, 2011 01:10 AM
The O2 sensor on the European model is a narrow-band sensor, it only provides a rich or lean condition to the ECU around an AFR of 14.7:1 in the following range: 4th, 5th, 6th gear, less than 60% throttle and less than 6000rpm. Within that range it will auto adjust the fueling to an AFR of 14:7:1 If you wanted eg: 13.4:1 AFR you need Dynojet's O2 optimizer or a self build module as ZZR-Treiber has done
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head_zx14ninja
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posted May 30, 2011 01:37 AM
I have seen all my bikes on the dyno for the whole 3-4 hours. Alot of time is spent setting the bike up, all the sensors, calibration etc... It doesnt spend the whole time being revved to redline, just some of the time + I'm sure you have redlined your bike before missing a gear etc.... Also when the tuner is setting it up he will use is own lambda (o2 sensor) which he will pop into the end of your exhaust.
What exhaust system do you have? Only a select few have a bung already welded to them otherwise you will have to mod your exhaust so you can fit the lambda sensor.
Martin
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