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posted March 16, 2011 09:21 AM
Most people that buy a 14 dont drag race like myself.though I have been around the sport my whole life and ran a blown car for eight years Im not into drag bikes but I would like to see some weight shaved of the 14 with lighter wheels and abs since I ride in the canyons and I think thats what most 14s are used for so thats whats going to sell the most bikes for kawaski not a small group of drag racers.There forced to look at the bigger picture in terms of sales and thats just the way its always going to be.
  
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posted March 16, 2011 09:38 AM
I'd dig TC and ABS. But I gotta disagree with you, zx14 fan. Winning races and big dyno numbers is what drives the sales of these bikes.
Anyhow, I wouldn't worry too much guys... look at the source:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2010/May/may2710-shervin-an-internet-motorcycle-celebrity-is-born/
My $$$ is on TC being standard... but that won't add much weight, will it? And I see ABS only being standard on euro models. Just like it is now.
Hope the new bike doesn't look like the one in MCN. I'm with 3000psi, that bike looks "softened". meh
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posted March 16, 2011 10:04 AM
ABS added over 20 pounds to the 600RR, and looks like some heavy stuff on my concours14
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posted March 16, 2011 10:33 AM
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DogoZX
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posted March 16, 2011 10:35 AM
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ABS added over 20 pounds to the 600RR, and looks like some heavy stuff on my concours14
That's why I doubt North American bikes will have it standard. Besides, not including it will keep the price down.
TC, on the other hand, I'd bet on it... but what kind of weight will it add? 2 maybe 3 pounds? Isn't a TC system just a couple of wheel sensors that interrupt power when they sense slipping? I'm sure there will be a "mode" that disables it. If not, there's always redneck ingenuity. 
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posted March 16, 2011 11:37 AM
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GREYHOUNDMOSES
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posted March 16, 2011 11:59 AM
ABS has been standard on U.K. ZZR1400's since 2008.
According to the owners handbook for my 2009, ABS bikes are 9 lb heavier.
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posted March 16, 2011 12:28 PM
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ABS has been standard on U.K. ZZR1400's since 2008.
According to the owners handbook for my 2009, ABS bikes are 9 lb heavier.
The ABS system on the new 10r is reported to be 7 lbs... Apparently ABS tech has advanced... especially since the 20 lb CBR system.
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posted March 16, 2011 02:41 PM
Quite like the shape of the tweaked plastics - but lordy, couldn't they do something with the rocket-launcher exhausts? How about a trendy 4-1 ala ZX10 for those of us who don't need a Brocks/PCIII/Speedohealer?
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posted March 16, 2011 03:28 PM
Wish some major aftermarket companies would hook up with the manufacturers to offer different upgrade packages that new buyers could consider right out of the dealerships - might entice bike sales a tad more.
There's options like this with car mfg's with Rousch and Ford, Lingenfelder? (spelling) and Pontiac, Yenko's GM beasts, Shelby had his Fords too.........just sucks the consumers cant choose much other than colors/graphics and abs or not. Excellent strategy piece for upselling would be hearing "I'll take $1000 off the sale price if you add the Brembo and Brocks pkg with free tune for $2999.95!"
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zx14fan
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posted March 16, 2011 03:59 PM
DogoZX I do agree with you to a point,it is bragging rights for the companys that make the big hp bikes but its still not going to sell the most bikes or you wouldnt see the 600s sell as they do or the liter bikes.I think you could see the day when you could order your bike with options that you choose like ohlins forks bst wheels.Another thing to think about is kawasakis reputation if they were to build a 200 hp bike and half the poeple that bought one died the first week they had it its going to get alot of bad press from people that dont know the first thing about riding and that kind of press motorcycle companys try to avoid.
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posted March 16, 2011 04:52 PM
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DogoZX I do agree with you to a point,it is bragging rights for the companys that make the big hp bikes but its still not going to sell the most bikes or you wouldnt see the 600s sell as they do or the liter bikes
Even with 600's and litres, I think it's races and hp numbers that drive the sales.
Guys that buy hypersports want 1 bhp for every 2 lbs of weight... maybe someday... You listening Kawi?
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Another thing to think about is kawasakis reputation if they were to build a 200 hp bike and half the poeple that bought one died the first week they had it its going to get alot of bad press from people that dont know the first thing about riding and that kind of press motorcycle companys try to avoid.
Really??? Who wants to think about that?
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posted March 16, 2011 08:23 PM
The 1500 CC kawi supercharged ZX15 most likely could use traction control to maintain the power to hook up for the next generation of super bike.
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zx14fan
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posted March 16, 2011 08:50 PM
"Really??? Who wants to think about that?" You would if you were kawaski.
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ZX14Mike
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posted March 16, 2011 09:53 PM
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DogoZX I do agree with you to a point,it is bragging rights for the companys that make the big hp bikes but its still not going to sell the most bikes or you wouldnt see the 600s sell as they do or the liter bikes.I think you could see the day when you could order your bike with options that you choose like ohlins forks bst wheels.Another thing to think about is kawasakis reputation if they were to build a 200 hp bike and half the poeple that bought one died the first week they had it its going to get alot of bad press from people that dont know the first thing about riding and that kind of press motorcycle companys try to avoid.
I'm not trying to be an ass or give you a hard time here ZX14Fan, your certainly entitled to your opinion...........but I have to say I feel that opinion is not based in facts at all...... the market for ZX 14's and Busa's is a tiny niche market and although a small percentage of that market may want ABS or traction control and many may use their bikes for sport touring the majority of that niche market buys big bores because they want MAXIMUM horsepower and torque.
The demographic that buys ZX 14's is older has been riding for decades usually and has lots of experience and is MUCH safer than the kids who by 600's and crash and die.............I dont buy for a minute the argument that if the ZX 14 or Busa had 10% more horsepower HALF the people who bought it would be crashing and dying. Check the statistics the OVERWHELMING majority of people crashing and dying on teenage punks on 600's not big bore riders...........Kawi's "reputation" was always built on making the most power, not fretting over bad press for making "too much power" ..............there is allready a market that caters to people wanting ABS, traction control ertc.....its the touring market and there is a manufacturer catering to those who crave refinement its Honda..........Kawasaki always catered to those who craved horsepower.....and in my opinion they have lost their way in that regard...........look at the facts the Busa doesnt have the one piece block and can be modified to make serious horsepower for almost half the price of a ZX 14 and thats why it is substantially outselling the ZX 14.
The simple and irrefutable facts are:
1) Its overwhelmingly 600's NOT Zx 14's and Busa riders that are crashing and dying which makes it pretty clear that its rider experience and maturity that is causing these crashes NOT horsepower.
2) I see 10 Busa's for every Zx 14 so its clear that the Busa is substantially outselling the Zx 14...........why I would say because that niche market puts power as the top priority and the Busa can be modded to make big power for almost half the cost.
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posted March 16, 2011 09:54 PM
Like I said your entitled to your opinion.............but that said I get the feeling your arguing talking points rather than facts!
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posted March 16, 2011 10:00 PM
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Well for me I want to thank Kawi for not making it hard on my pocket book! Right now a guy can go buy a used 06 for $5000 and put $5000 in paint and motor work and have a mid to low 8 second bike that looks and runs better than a new one. On the other hand if they put the ZX10 head on the 14 and bumped it up to 1500cc that would cause me to have to buy a new bike! Thank you Kawasaki for keeping it simple.
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I cant argue with that logic Ken............I'm probably gonna go that route myself........the direction the bike manufacturers are going I dont see my self buying a new bike for a VERY long time.
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zx14fan
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posted March 16, 2011 10:45 PM
"I get the feeling your arguing talking points rather than facts! " I think your missing the point because your thinking seems to be stuck in the us.
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ZX14Mike
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posted March 17, 2011 06:19 AM
ZX14fan..........do you work for Kawasaki?..........are you a corporate lawyer?
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posted March 17, 2011 11:02 AM
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ZX14fan..........do you work for Kawasaki?..........are you a corporate lawyer?
No, but he is a professional douche bag.
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posted March 17, 2011 01:12 PM
Well back on topic if the do make TC for the 2012 ZX14 they should make it as a option on some of them.
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zx14fan
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posted March 17, 2011 01:20 PM
Dickota use your brain if you can.Why do you two bone heads think that kawasaki hasnt built a twin turbo 350 hp bike? Do you remember when they were trying to pass legislation to slow down the hyper bikes? Why do you think the two hyper bikes chip out at 186 mph why do you think the hp on both bikes are so similar?Do you wonder why these two bikes are not much faster the last few years? do you think that suzuki and kawaski are not capable of making twice the hp they make now? Think use your brain on the matter its really not that difficult to see why these biks will not get much faster nor is it hard to see why the rest of the manufactueres do not want to get involved .Im done with bone heads Im out of this thread.
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posted March 17, 2011 01:44 PM
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Im out of this thread.
1st smart thing the fukker said
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ZX14Mike
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posted March 17, 2011 01:46 PM
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Im out of this thread.
1st smart thing the fukker said
I love it.....awesome post!!!!
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ZX14Mike
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posted March 17, 2011 01:53 PM
Notice how seamlessly the little troll pulled the bait and switch and erected his cute little strawmen................the discussion was NEVER about whether kawasaki could build a bike with double the horsepower or had built a twin turbo 350 horse bike or whether the bikes would be faster than 186.
What we were actually discussing until actual facts forced this clown to build a strawman cause he couldnt refute the simple facts was the majority of ZX 14 and Busa riders care more about horsepower and torque than ABS or traction control and that the overwhelming majority of those crashing and dying are teenage punks on 600's not Zx 14 or Busa riders.
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