posted January 28, 2011 09:52 AM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 28 Jan 2011 20:46
who has the best lite weight battery price? I know this has been asked before, but I am looking for latest infomation.
Thanks,
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posted January 28, 2011 11:09 AM
Edited By: DogoZX on 28 Jan 2011 19:19
This is the 14 amp Shorai cold starting my zx14 at 40 F... but I had stuck the battery in my 0 F freezer for 2 hours berfore the test.
This is the 18 amp cold starting my 14 @ 40 F. No cold soak.
This is the 14 amp cranking my 2005 10r @ 42 F. Bike had not been started for months, had bad gas and therefore would not idle.
This is the 14 amp starting my 10r @ 42 F, but w/ fresh gas.
Here are some other guy's vids...
And pics of the Shorais on my scale...
So far, I love these batteries. Saved about 9lbs putting the 18 amp in my 14 and 7lbs putting the 14 amp in my 10r. I purchased from Superbike Supply but got a slightly better price through the sponsor section on another forum than they have listed on their website, $130 for the 14 amp and $160 for the 18 amp. Those prices were shipped tmd, but they took an additional $5 off of each since I bought 2.
posted January 28, 2011 11:22 AM
So, what is the battery tech? Because the Speedcell tech would not be any good after putting it in the freezer...unless you let it warm up, or crank it a few times.
quote:So, what is the battery tech? Because the Speedcell tech would not be any good after putting it in the freezer...unless you let it warm up, or crank it a few times.
Sorry to just put up a link, but I'm not a battery tech and don't want to give out bad info.
In my first vid my 14 had not been started for a month, I did not charge the Shorai, and I just turned the key and hit the button. The second vid was taken the next day. Same thing, just didn't feel the need to freeze the 18 amp since the 14 amp performed well "frozen". My 10r had not been started for a long time.
posted January 28, 2011 11:55 AM
Edited By: DogoZX on 28 Jan 2011 20:00
I stand corrected... But these, for whatever reason, DO work in the cold.
From the FAQ's page...
Q. What makes Shorai LFX different from other batteries?
A.Shorai LFX batteries contain Shorai-proprietary eXtreme-Rate Lithium Iron prismatic cells (chemistry LiFePO4). Shorai LFX contain no poisonous lead, no dangerous acid, and do not create explosive gasses during charge, as traditional Lead-Acid batteries do. Compared to lead-acid, Shorai LFX lithium are also extremely light, have much lower self-discharge rate, do not sulfate (i.e. do not degrade while sitting unattended), and are environmentally friendly.
While there are other companies now offering Lithium-Iron based powersports batteries, all except Shorai use cylindrical cells originally made for power tool applications. Such cells are inferior to Shorai Prismatic LFX, for several reasons.
First, the cylindrical cells come only in one size, so that the possible shapes and sizes of the starter batteries they make are very limited. As such, battery fit into many vehicles may be poor, or impossible as they are too wide, or too tall. LFX prismatic cells, on the other hand, are rectangular packages which we can freely design and size according to the size requirements of the battery case. As such, Shorai LFX offer perfect drop-in fit in many vehicles and - if the LFX is slightly smaller in one dimension - high-density, adhesive-backed foam shims are included in the package. These can be applied to the battery box in a few minutes, to insure a perfect “as original” fit. No saws, cutting torches, or duct tape required!
Second is the pedigree. While power-tool cells may crank a vehicle successfully, they were not originally intended for the high current discharges in starter systems. As a result, cranking performance suffers compared to Shorai LFX, and the batteries will wear out more per every start. By contrast, Shorai LFX are the result of years of our own research and development, and are designed and produced in our own tightly controlled factory. Shorai LFX have been used in some of the most extreme high-current projects in the world, including autonomous aircraft, boats, and submarines, electromagnetic rail gun research, and more. In short, LFX have been designed from the “ground up’ to be a powersports starter battery with long lifespan and high performance, under a wide range of temperatures.
Finally there is quality control. Every Shorai LFX is built in our own ISO 9000:2008 certified factory. The primary cell ingredients are sourced from Japan, which allows us to produce the most consistent and reliable cells. Then we do individual cell quality control and matching over a six-week period, for every cell we make. This test period is two to four times longer than typical and is expensive for us. But it is worth it, in terms of product quality in the long run.
quote:Try 14 hours in the freezer.
no... your turn. That batt was cold. It was only 40 F in my garage and the batt had steam comin' off of it when I pulled it from the freezer.
posted January 28, 2011 01:03 PM
Do you have the LFX14A2-BS12 or the LFX14A1-BS12? Same price, specs are listed the same, but one is slightly smaller.
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I'm next. I have testimony from a couple well known, long time forum members and they are better than the stocker for a cold start or ave temp. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 8-9 lbs lighter, depending on all the details of installation. Cost is comparable to stocker, I believe. Only thing we don't know is how many starts do they last???? I'm hanging on to my 3 year old stocker just in case but I'll be ordering a Shorai in the next couple days.
quote:Do you have the LFX14A2-BS12 or the LFX14A1-BS12? Same price, specs are listed the same, but one is slightly smaller.
I have the LFX14A1-BS12 and the LFX18A1-BS12. They the exact same physical dimensions (same casing), just the 18 amp has more plates and therefore more power but also weighs more.
The gray packing is adhesive foam you use to "shim" the smaller than stock Shorai.
I think the difference between the A2's and A1's is which side the polarities are located... but very well could be wrong.
posted January 28, 2011 01:54 PM
The polarity is denoted by the prefix letter. Your's (A) have the positive on the left.
Positive on the right Begin with L
The number refers to the case size. They only make two case sizes for all the batteries.
A1 is the bigger. A2 is smaller.
I ordered the A1 as this was the recommended battery from Shorais website.
Why they don't recomend the smaller, lighter case is a question I've just emailed to Shorai !!!
posted January 28, 2011 02:07 PM
Edited By: DogoZX on 28 Jan 2011 22:19
quote:The polarity is denoted by the prefix letter. Your's (A) have the positive on the left.
Positive on the right Begin with L
The number refers to the case size. They only make two case sizes for all the batteries.
A1 is the bigger. A2 is smaller.
I ordered the A1 as this was the recommended battery from Shorais website.
Why they don't recomend the smaller, lighter case is a question I've just emailed to Shorai !!!
Yeah, I just rechecked that on Shorai's site. What's the width of the A2 case? The A1 is bout the same as the stocker.
This is the Shorai in front of the stock zx14 batt.
Side by side w/ foam needed to shim the Shorai to stock height.
18 amp Shorai, foam, stock batt tray, cap and strap on scale.
Stock battery tray, cap and strap.
Just the stock zx14 batt on scale... only reads to 11lbs. lol.
posted January 28, 2011 02:52 PM
Just received this reply from Shorai.
"The weight difference between the larger case size and smaller case size is .2 LBS or roughly 3.2 ounces. This slight weight savings will be cancelled out when attempting to fit our smaller battery with additional foam padding to make the smaller battery a “drop-in” fit when in fact the larger battery makes a better fit naturally without using extra padding. Thank you for you interest in our LFX batteries!"
Nice to see customer service is on the ball !
Not convinced the extra padding would add up to 3.2 oz though. Any comments Dogo?
It seems if finding more space for electrics etc. is needed the A2 version is an option.
"The weight difference between the larger case size and smaller case size is .2 LBS or roughly 3.2 ounces. This slight weight savings will be cancelled out when attempting to fit our smaller battery with additional foam padding to make the smaller battery a “drop-in” fit when in fact the larger battery makes a better fit naturally without using extra padding. Thank you for you interest in our LFX batteries!"
Nice to see customer service is on the ball !
Not convinced the extra padding would add up to 3.2 oz though. Any comments Dogo?
It seems if finding more space for electrics etc. is needed the A2 version is an option.
Every last piece of foam the send you, with the adhesive backing still in place, weighs 0.138 lbs, or 2.208 oz. So I'd think the smaller case, even with the extra foam, would have to weigh slightly less.
quote:Of course, if they send the smaller battery in the same box, you'd get more foam!
Then get the big one...'cuz I don't know WTF do to with all the leftovers I have! These things catch on, I'll have to start a Smackhouse thread... "Fun Things To Do With Foam".
posted January 28, 2011 04:30 PM
I say smaller and cut your own foam out of styro insulation or something.
Now it looks like the small 14 amp could be over half a pound lighter than the 18 amp Shorai?
If polarities are reversed--will it be a super PITA to get the cables hooked up? or could you just put the battery in backward so positive faces out to the right?
posted January 29, 2011 08:01 AM
Edited By: Rook on 29 Jan 2011 16:11
quote:Of course, if they send the smaller battery in the same box, you'd get more foam!
GREYHOUNDMOSES, are you ordering the small? If not, I may do it next week if I determine the cables can be connected without too much trouble.
I thought the battery tray held itself in place with the 2 black knobs on the front and the back edges. If so, it seems like any battery will stay put if you can make a strap to hold it down firmly to the tray. Am I wrong here?
posted January 29, 2011 08:48 AM
Mine is already winging its way to me.
I odered the recommended LFX14A1-BS12 like dogo.
The smaller case (same internals) is LFX14A2-BS12
If you want the terminals the wrong way round (don't know why?) change the A to L.
The LFX18A1-BS12 is a heavier, stronger battery and is only available in the bigger case.
(Bigger,heavier internals.)
posted January 29, 2011 11:20 AM
FANTASTIC THREAD thanks TONS! Just ordered the LFX18A1-BS12!
I figure the stronger/higher capacity battery for the little bit more weight is fantastic!
You are still saving +/-9 pounds. 9 pounds is A LOT in reality.
With these you can throw the Battery Tender out the window...especially the 18A1.
quote:FANTASTIC THREAD thanks TONS! Just ordered the LFX18A1-BS12!
I figure the stronger/higher capacity battery for the little bit more weight is fantastic!
You are still saving +/-9 pounds. 9 pounds is A LOT in reality.
With these you can throw the Battery Tender out the window...especially the 18A1.
Bicep
I think you'll be a happy camper... I am... except I'd just got two new Tenders for Christmas. lol
Speaking of chargers... one more thing about the Shorais... They have a built in charging port.
BUT, it is designed for their charger... which is not yet available.
posted January 29, 2011 06:02 PM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 30 Jan 2011 02:08
How has the '18' battery perfomed @ dragtrack in a zx14, the off and on to check this and that, sitting in stage line too long etc.
Thanks to all for this infomation. See, sometimes a old question can have a
new answer.
Sincerely,
BLK ICE
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