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posted January 19, 2011 05:48 AM
How? The brackets are angled, the fan is designed to pull through, and the radiator is curved.
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posted January 19, 2011 06:15 AM
 Edited By: dakota9498 on 19 Jan 2011 14:16
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ok I'll have a look around thanks
If you can't find it, I will get it when I get home, I saved some pictures. I was in the process of doing this, but since I am not really using the bike for a long commute anymore, there is really no need. Plus, I can't make myself add anymore weight to the bike if it is not absolutely necessary.
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posted January 19, 2011 06:17 AM
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I found the pic but it's foggy.
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posted January 19, 2011 06:22 AM
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posted January 19, 2011 06:23 AM
Edited By: dakota9498 on 19 Jan 2011 14:23
Yep, that is one of the ones that I have, looks to be a pretty good way to do it, they said that the square tubing was held in the channel by some epoxy. But I am sure that if you were not comfortable with that you could probably drill some tiny holes in the lip of the channel and rivet or screw it in.
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posted January 19, 2011 06:25 AM
I have my radiator exposed during my valve check right now and I don't see where there were channels to put anything in but I imagine a clamp mount could be made with aluminum and rubber to gently but firmly grip the top and bottom. Not to mention, a new mounting bracket can always be welded up - benefit of being a jack of all trades for me.
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posted January 19, 2011 06:34 AM
On a side note, after just spending a half hour reading a heated debate from 2009 about whether or not the 14 has a cooling problem I'm glad my thread didn't turn into a debate .
However, I think it's a little weird that no one speaks of adding an actual digital temp gauge to be able to actually see what temp the bike is at. Is this even possible with the stock sensor, because I just might do it some day.
I never had the bike overheat and boil the coolant, it's just the fact that the bike gets uncomfortably hot to sit on. The cooling system from the engine's perspective maybe be working like a charm but the bike doesn't seem to want to shed that heat. Perhaps the shroud of body work is holding it in along with all the rubber covers they put on it stock. Not to mention the "wall" of frame directly behind the engine. Perhaps if there was a duct to the back of the bike from there my ca hones wouldn't need to be punished so severely!!!
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posted January 19, 2011 06:35 AM
You can see the channels in the picture above, but they are not big enough to drill into really, but they are big enough to place the aluminum in just like in the picture.
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posted January 19, 2011 06:41 AM
ok, just don't want to hurt the radiator for this lol
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posted January 19, 2011 07:12 AM
And if you take all of the padding off the inside of the fairings and remove the rubber off of the engine you will feel the heat a lot more. I could really feel it on my legs more after I took it off.
Another option that some people swear by is engine ice. I put it in mine and it ran extremely cool for a few days, but then it went back to normal. Sort of like adding Water Wetter to something, it works for a bit, but then it loses the properties that really makes it cool better and then it is back to normal.
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posted January 19, 2011 07:29 AM
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How? The brackets are angled, the fan is designed to pull through, and the radiator is curved.
If you flip one fan so the single legged bracket is pointing up, looks to me that with the angles the brackets are stationed, it would fit fine -- but won't know for sure until I get mine........but you may be right, haven't gotten mine apart just yet -- I'll see how it goes
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posted January 19, 2011 07:38 AM
If you look in the picture above, the fan on the right has had the brackets removed, and reattached to the other side of the fan frame. The way that the brackets and mounting surfaces are angled it won't work any other way that I can see.
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posted January 19, 2011 07:53 AM
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Now I'm understanding what you're saying about fitment...........the pic won't come up on my pc, had to use my phone to see it..........because of the way the radiator is curved, the fan won't mount upside down -- and if it did, it wouldn't be very effective.........I'll probably mimic the way Edge's photo shows them, but almost looks as if the blades are touching -- that would be bad
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posted January 19, 2011 08:18 AM
Yeah it looks like they welded the mounting arms to different points in the motor-frame while keeping the frame at the same angles as the original. No sweat.
So anyone have an idea if the stock temp sensor will send a signal to a digital gauge?
The water wetter stuff I used made no difference what-so-ever. Sometimes I wonder if there is any proof to it's claim. I don't think I'll waste money on that again- just keep good quality fresh coolant in it every year.
As for the rubber covers, now I'm starting to have second thoughts about removing them, because it would be a pain to put them back on. Makes sense that removal could make things worse.
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posted January 19, 2011 08:27 AM
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Now I'm understanding what you're saying about fitment...........the pic won't come up on my pc, had to use my phone to see it..........because of the way the radiator is curved, the fan won't mount upside down -- and if it did, it wouldn't be very effective.........I'll probably mimic the way Edge's photo shows them, but almost looks as if the blades are touching -- that would be bad
I mocked min up like the pick and everything fits nicely, but decided not to do it.
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Yeah it looks like they welded the mounting arms to different points in the motor-frame while keeping the frame at the same angles as the original. No sweat.
So anyone have an idea if the stock temp sensor will send a signal to a digital gauge?
The water wetter stuff I used made no difference what-so-ever. Sometimes I wonder if there is any proof to it's claim. I don't think I'll waste money on that again- just keep good quality fresh coolant in it every year.
As for the rubber covers, now I'm starting to have second thoughts about removing them, because it would be a pain to put them back on. Makes sense that removal could make things worse.
The Engine Ice isn't an additive you have to completely replace your water/antifreeze, but like I said it only works for a little while, plus it is about $40 a gallon.
And it would be damn near impossible to replace those rubber mats, because it is damn near impossible to remove them without ripping them or removing a lot of stuff off of the engine. I just cut mine in a few strategic places but wasn't really worried about putting them back.
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posted January 19, 2011 08:45 AM
Edited By: Hellmutt on 19 Jan 2011 16:46
I'm flushing mine this spring and dropping Engine Ice in it..........standard coolants aren't acceptable at the local track, so it's coming back out again..........as far as longevity, Engine Ice works well for quite some time -- I ran it in my old track bike for years and years -- good stuff and more environmentally safe 
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posted January 19, 2011 09:18 AM
Just use RC-20 Supercoolant from Rising Sun Cycles. Best stuff i have ever used. Beats Water Wetter, Engine Ice and all of the other Engine Ice Replica's/ derivatives of such.
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posted January 19, 2011 09:22 AM
what I did was just like the pic for mounting. You drill out the rivets after removing the motor from the bracket. I had to bend one arm to get it like the left side and spot weld it back up. I used epoxy and flat steel bent just so, so it's like the other side. the brackets for mounting just sit on top and bottom channel of the radiator. The epoxy hasnt budged in 2 yrs.. Another note- I didnt wire it directly to the other fan but used a relay for its own power (with fuse)and the trigger comes from the other fan power. The fans are approx a 1/4 apart and share the center bolt. If I remember right, the concourse HAS 2 fans so a person could buy a r/h fan I suppose.
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posted January 19, 2011 09:38 AM
Edited By: Edgecrusher on 19 Jan 2011 17:38
lol now ya tell me! lol jk
thanks for the advice, sounds like fun. I can't wait!
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posted January 20, 2011 03:59 PM
After looking at the parts diagrams, (for my year, at least, 2010) there ARE two fans for the concourse. The fans (L/H ZX14 and L/H C14) and radiators have different parts numbers, however, from the ZX-14. The dimensions might not be the same, but it APPEARS to be just the presence of additional mounting points for the fans, but, again, I am no mechanic. Looks like it would not be just a bolt-on addition to make, but still might be easier than the mod that is depicted by Edgecrusher's photo. That is the route I would take if I had cooling problems with mine.
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posted January 21, 2011 05:20 AM
yeah that's what I figured, the radiators have more mounting tabs on them, makes sense.
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posted February 09, 2011 12:07 PM
Well tonight I plan on finishing up my fan mod. Turns out the epoxy is the way to go. I used less than 8 inches of 3/4 inch square aluminum tubing which cost less than a dollar. I can put up some pics of mine but they'll prolly look the same. Now I just need to finger out which way I want to wire it up. I think I'd like to have it able to be turned on by the thermostat and manually but also cutout to just run the one fan in colder weather. Maybe too much thinking going into it. I'll prolly just wire it in parallel with the other fan. Maybe a relay with power coming straight from the battery.
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posted February 09, 2011 01:55 PM
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posted February 09, 2011 04:07 PM
I'd wire it in parallel but make sure to up your fan fuse by 5 amps to handle the extra draw in warmer weather - post up pics too if you've taken any throughout the process
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posted February 09, 2011 04:20 PM
Someone on this board did this Test, He install a water temperature gauge on his ZX-14, These are the temp's as to the bars what he noted;
Someone did this test on the 14 a couple yrs ago.Here are the water temperatures as they relate to the "idiot" bars on Kawasaki's gauge:
1st Bar = 100-140 degrees
2nd Bar = 140-160 degrees
3rd Bar = 160-180 degrees
4th Bar = 180-210 degrees
5th Bar = 210-230 degrees
These are FAIRLY accurate. Notes were made while riding so they may be off a couple of degrees. Temperature probe is mounted inline on the upper radiator hose (return hose) when the water is coming out of the motor and before it enters the radiator
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