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posted December 19, 2010 05:18 PM
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Lee...nobody is impressed with 8.80's on this bike. I'll leave it at that. You will go faster on my bike with a stock motor...by far.
Who the hell said anyone was impressed with the ET ??? I surely wasn't ... I has happy with the MPH but that is it .. I feel bad i couldn't go 8.50s for Roy but that is how it worked out ...
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posted December 19, 2010 05:23 PM
Shane you want nothing but to pick a fight.. Sorry i'm not playing the game .. You can go back to pissing in Fishs oatmeal ...
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posted December 19, 2010 05:24 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 01:25
Lee...I'm just telling you what the consensus is. The mph is what you expect from the hp.
Roy can build a motor, that is proven. But setup is an entirely different matter. As you, and the other guys, have seen.
I am not attacking anyone here. In fact, I offered for you guys to use my chassis. But obviously you both feel that is not worth pursuing...so, I'm ok with that. I spent a lot of time and money on my my chassis...but who cares about that stupid stuff, right?
Good luck with Roy's bike.. 
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posted December 19, 2010 05:33 PM
i'll attack someone.
Shane, Face it. You're nothing but a guy with basic wrench skills and a large pocket book. Just because you are able to spend a ton of money it doesn't mean that you will ever have the skill that it takes to be a competitive rider. There's a reason why you're super light bike isn't any faster than the stock bikes... You should probably spend less time on here being a douche and more time racing.
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posted December 19, 2010 05:35 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 02:11
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i'll attack someone.
Shane, Face it. You're nothing but a guy with basic wrench skills and a large pocket book. Just because you are able to spend a ton of money it doesn't mean that you will ever have the skill that it takes to be a competitive rider. There's a reason why you're super light bike isn't any faster than the stock bikes... You should probably spend less time on here being a douche and more time racing.
Don't you have more puppies to shoot, when you're not nut-swinging???
When is the last time you ran in the 8's and went over 200 mph? Please tell me, outside of the wheels, where my bike has so much money in it?? 
I bet that in any measurable skill, I will hand you your ass...meaning R/T and consistency...not the shit that is based on being light in the ass. 
Hell, none of the hero's here are player's on the drag scene....who is the douche now..."BAWLS"?
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posted December 19, 2010 05:47 PM
You can do all the setup you want but with the TQ that motor is putting down the only way to open it up off the line is to go longer or move a BUNCH of weight up to the front. I had the same problem after I stroked my motor and I only gained 10 ft-lbs, not 20! It's very obvious your not up on the current riders in the drag race scene. Johnny has been around for a long time an is no slouch as a rider and is even better as a builder and tuner. No the 8.80 is not impressive for what we all know the engine is capable of but is pretty damn good for having the front tire in the air through second gear.
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posted December 19, 2010 05:47 PM
..Putting it in a lighter bike is not going to fix the 60 foot problem .. Your DRAG shock will not work at my weight ... Your BST and race body work will hurt more that helps ...Putting Roys motor in your bike will not fix anything or prove anything ... If you set your bike out to 68 to 70 inches and add some weight to the front end we would see some gains .... If Roys wants he can put his motor in your bike , but that is up to him .. You act like it's my call ... Doesn't matter either way , i can't ride the bike till my shoulder heals , Hell i can't ride my own bike ...Dr told me Thursday it will be a year before i can or i may cause more damage to my shoulder ..
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posted December 19, 2010 05:50 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 01:51
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..Putting it in a lighter bike is not going to fix the 60 foot problem .. Your DRAG shock will not work at my weight ... Your BST and race body work will hurt more that helps ...Putting Roys motor in your bike will not fix anything or prove anything ... If you set your bike out to 68 to 70 inches and add some weight to the front end we would see some gains .... If Roys wants he can put his motor in your bike , but that is up to him .. You act like it's my call ... Doesn't matter either way , i can't ride the bike till my shoulder heals , Hell i can't ride my own bike ...Dr told me Thursday it will be a year before i can or i may cause more damage to my shoulder ..
My drag shock won't help...but a 1000 lb spring with stock damping will?
Uhhh..RG runs like 8.30's or better at 64" with more hp and BST's, right?
Anyway, who cares...my offer obviously was a wasted one...good luck with what you have. 
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posted December 19, 2010 05:52 PM
I think we can all agree that there is potential in the bike....its torquey and makes power. For now, for all practical purposes Shane's 14
AS IT SITS
is about as quick as Roy's 14
AS IT SITS.
If Roy had the bike setup for drag racing it would be over.
If Shane throws in his soon-to-be-completed-built-motor it would be over.
The rest of this shit is just trifiling fellas...
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smokinZX14
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posted December 19, 2010 05:58 PM
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..Putting it in a lighter bike is not going to fix the 60 foot problem .. Your DRAG shock will not work at my weight ... Your BST and race body work will hurt more that helps ...Putting Roys motor in your bike will not fix anything or prove anything ... If you set your bike out to 68 to 70 inches and add some weight to the front end we would see some gains .... If Roys wants he can put his motor in your bike , but that is up to him .. You act like it's my call ... Doesn't matter either way , i can't ride the bike till my shoulder heals , Hell i can't ride my own bike ...Dr told me Thursday it will be a year before i can or i may cause more damage to my shoulder ..
My drag shock won't help...but a 1000 lb spring with stock damping will?
Uhhh..RG runs like 8.30's or better at 64" with more hp and BST's, right?
Anyway, who cares...my offer obviously was a wasted one...good luck with what you have.
Shane
You just don't get it shane ... Roys motor has no cams and because of that it has more TQ than Rickys down low and a ton less power up top .. Just because ricky uses BST wheels doesn't mean he did add weight to the noise or front axle ... Brocks 14 pound wheel spacer for BST wheels is legal for rickys class ...You think ricky doesn't have one ? You will need one also , Brocks has them in stock 500.00 bucks ..
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posted December 19, 2010 06:03 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 02:05
No, Lee. You just don't get it. Roy's 1534 is slower than a stock motor bike under similar conditions.
You think RG's axle spacer is equal to 50-75 lbs??
Like I said, have fun with Roy's setup...
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posted December 19, 2010 06:06 PM
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I think we can all agree that there is potential in the bike....its torquey and makes power. For now, for all practical purposes Shane's 14
AS IT SITS
is about as quick as Roy's 14
AS IT SITS.
If Roy had the bike setup for drag racing it would be over.
If Shane throws in his soon-to-be-completed-built-motor it would be over.
The rest of this shit is just trifiling fellas...
A.
Amen Ali ...
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posted December 19, 2010 06:21 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 20 Dec 2010 02:22
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No, Lee. You just don't get it. Roy's 1534 is slower than a stock motor bike under similar conditions.
You think RG's axle spacer is equal to 50-75 lbs??
Like I said, have fun with Roy's setup...
Do you read my fucking posts ? I said 14 pound axle spacer .. You don't think rick knows where to put extra weight ?
Shane i have not clue what bug got up your ass that is making you piss all over my thread ... I put the info out there as i saw it .. Good or bad the numbers are what they are ..Nowhere did i calm it was the fastest bike out there or that i would beat a stock ZX14 .. We only went to the track for test and tune to see what the bike would do as is ... I never said it would beat your bike ..Nor do i really care if it ever does ... It was a favor to Roy to ride his bike and nothing more.. If you knew the pain i'm in you would understand why i did no better than 8.80s on the bike .. Hell i don't think i could get an 8 out of my my bike if i would have rode it that night .. Had i had a good shoulder i could have trimmed a tenth or two off the bike as is sets .. I need more than a couple of runs to figure out how to ride the damn bike .. More than half the runs the air shifter didn't work .. Once i hit that 8.80 i called it off and that was my last pass on the bike ..I just could not take anymore pain ...
Now that you have fucked up a good thread you can move on..
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posted December 19, 2010 06:24 PM
Nobody is pissing on this thread. Hell, I offered for you guys to put the motor in my chassis...
I don't get it....why all of the arguing???
Crazy.... 
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posted December 19, 2010 06:29 PM
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Nobody is pissing on this thread. Hell, I offered for you guys to put the motor in my chassis...
I don't get it....why all of the arguing???
Crazy....
Offer ROY not ME it's not my bike .. Call him , PM him or Pony express i don't care ....Either way i can't ride the bike ...
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posted December 19, 2010 06:32 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 02:33
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Nobody is pissing on this thread. Hell, I offered for you guys to put the motor in my chassis...
I don't get it....why all of the arguing???
Crazy....
Offer ROY not ME it's not my bike .. Call him , PM him or Pony express i don't care ....Either way i can't ride the bike ...
I put up my chassis...to Roy and You. Roy read it; he doesn't want it. You told me it wouldn't help. I figured that by the time we put the motor in, you would be ready.
But fuck all of that....like I say, you and and Roy...have fun with what you have.
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posted December 19, 2010 06:35 PM
Shane are you looking for another time out?
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posted December 19, 2010 06:44 PM
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Shane are you looking for another time out?
wee
LOL...time to order a pizza...
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posted December 19, 2010 06:45 PM
no one has been on the bike for more than 3 or 4 runs. I think that getting on a bike for the first time and going 8.80 is pretty impressive, and all 3 riders did about the same....
I am sure that if any of these riders made more passes the ET's would be much better .... It would just take some seat time and learning what the bike wants.
I am not trying to sell a this setup as a grudge bike. Hell , it is just a stock bike with 9" extensions and a stiffer spring. and a little more power. This was just a test to see what the bike would do in the quarter with a better rider. This was never an effort to be the quickest bike in the country. I haven't spent much at all on this bike,and built most of the stuff myself.
I think what makes this bike harder to ride is the fact that with stock cams and the smaller 4:1 header , the bike makes alot more torque at low rpms. That is good for us fat boys (250 lbs) but the smaller riders don't seem to enjoy it quite as much.
here is a torque comparison between the sidewinder and the smaller 4:1
I went with the smaller header because the peak power was the same and the added torque at lower rpm helps me out. But after this weekend, I would have used the sidewinder to calm down the launches.
But getting a longer arm with the smaller cam would produce the quickest 60', as the area under the torque curver would be much better.
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posted December 19, 2010 06:46 PM
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A smooth and powerful curve won't hurt your 60'...
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posted December 19, 2010 06:54 PM
no , it just makes it more prone to wheelie .... and that is what everyone is having problems with.
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posted December 19, 2010 06:55 PM
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no , it just makes it more prone to wheelie .... and that is what everyone is having problems with.
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posted December 19, 2010 07:12 PM
i will be the first to say I need to learn more on chassis set up but I can't see why roys bike would be any more prone to wheelies then say wee's bike with the aggressive gearing he's running. I really think for your weight smoking that spring was hurting you more then anything. I know at my 200 lb weight I need a 800 lb spring
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posted December 19, 2010 08:17 PM
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i will be the first to say I need to learn more on chassis set up but I can't see why roys bike would be any more prone to wheelies then say wee's bike with the aggressive gearing he's running. I really think for your weight smoking that spring was hurting you more then anything. I know at my 200 lb weight I need a 800 lb spring
Not saying you are wrong Bently and i would have no way of really knowing unless we changed springs .. I needed more time on the bike to figure that out .. I believe even with his spring i could knock off more ET with seat time and a good shoulder .. We could have used my spring and shock but we didn't and the reason i didn't swap them was because of the extra TQ .. I felt the extra TQ would over power the stock shock & spring just like it does in my car .. My 63 with a 440 making 550 HP needed a softer spring than my 500 inch motor with 750 HP ...The weight of the car didn't change just the TQ output .. Like i said it really don't know without testing a few different springs and shocks .. Roy lives 1100 miles from me so i don't think we will ever find out for sure .. Even with the pain i had fun riding the bike and i loved the extra MPH over a stock ZX14 .. Roys 1530 is a blast to ride even if it doesn't ET well .. I would have no problem using a 1530 on the street , it would be totaly useless but fun as hell ...
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posted December 19, 2010 08:28 PM
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i will be the first to say I need to learn more on chassis set up but I can't see why roys bike would be any more prone to wheelies then say wee's bike with the aggressive gearing he's running. I really think for your weight smoking that spring was hurting you more then anything. I know at my 200 lb weight I need a 800 lb spring
Not saying you are wrong Bently and i would have no way of really knowing unless we changed springs .. I needed more time on the bike to figure that out .. I believe even with his spring i could knock off more ET with seat time and a good shoulder .. We could have used my spring and shock but we didn't and the reason i didn't swap them was because of the extra TQ .. I felt the extra TQ would over power the stock shock & spring just like it does in my car .. My 63 with a 440 making 550 HP needed a softer spring than my 500 inch motor with 750 HP ...The weight of the car didn't change just the TQ output .. Like i said it really don't know without testing a few different springs and shocks .. Roy lives 1100 miles from me so i don't think we will ever find out for sure .. Even with the pain i had fun riding the bike and i loved the extra MPH over a stock ZX14 .. Roys 1530 is a blast to ride even if it doesn't ET well .. I would have no problem using a 1530 on the street , it would be totaly useless but fun as hell ...
I disagree....on the streets it would be totally useFUL and fun :-)
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