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posted December 19, 2010 07:02 AM
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We made it to the Friday night bike night at Bradenton Motorsports Park.. As you know i was NOT going to ride the bike , so the hunt was on for a light weight Pro Jocky ..
I found two riders that i felt safe with and that could also put down a good number..First one was a small guy ( 160 pounds ) That is very well known rider but for reasons known to me i will not print his name .. He made one pass and didn't want anything more to do with the bike after that first pass .. He said he could not hold on , the wind was to much for him ..He ran a 9.10 at 160 ..
Second was was a very skilled rider weighing in a 185 and his name is Johnny Turbo .. Johnny had no problem with the bike being Naked and didn't care if he had to eat some 160 MPH wind ... He did have a problem holding on so Roy removed the seat and made him a bump stop under the seat .. That worked and Johnny could stay in place and not slide back ...Johnnys Best was just a bit slower than my best of 8.80 @ 163 .. Not bad seeing Johnny had me by 35 plus pounds ..
We have a new plan in the works for more Drag testing .. One > Get the Fairings back on .. Two > Get the bike to 68 to 69 inch wheel base and Three > Drop the gearing back to 17/43 from the 18/43 we are using now .. ..
So what was Johny turbo's 60ft time? and are these numbers on pump gas or race gas?
  
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posted December 19, 2010 12:24 PM
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Update :
We made it to the Friday night bike night at Bradenton Motorsports Park.. As you know i was NOT going to ride the bike , so the hunt was on for a light weight Pro Jocky ..
I found two riders that i felt safe with and that could also put down a good number..First one was a small guy ( 160 pounds ) That is very well known rider but for reasons known to me i will not print his name .. He made one pass and didn't want anything more to do with the bike after that first pass .. He said he could not hold on , the wind was to much for him ..He ran a 9.10 at 160 ..
Second was was a very skilled rider weighing in a 185 and his name is Johnny Turbo .. Johnny had no problem with the bike being Naked and didn't care if he had to eat some 160 MPH wind ... He did have a problem holding on so Roy removed the seat and made him a bump stop under the seat .. That worked and Johnny could stay in place and not slide back ...Johnnys Best was just a bit slower than my best of 8.80 @ 163 .. Not bad seeing Johnny had me by 35 plus pounds ..
We have a new plan in the works for more Drag testing .. One > Get the Fairings back on .. Two > Get the bike to 68 to 69 inch wheel base and Three > Drop the gearing back to 17/43 from the 18/43 we are using now .. ..
So what was Johny turbo's 60ft time? and are these numbers on pump gas or race gas?
He was in the low 1.50s .. Roys bike runs on E85 ...
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posted December 19, 2010 12:28 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Dec 2010 20:29
Seems like a hard bike to 60', for some reason(s)...
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posted December 19, 2010 12:30 PM
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Seems like a hard bike to 60', for some reason(s)...
+1 Why is that you guys think is the gearing off that much or the bike just that beastly
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posted December 19, 2010 12:41 PM
i would not think a 1000 lb spring would help either unless your 250lbs plus
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posted December 19, 2010 12:50 PM
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i would not think a 1000 lb spring would help either unless your 250lbs plus
I think Roy told me the bike was getting air over the bumps at Maxton, with him on it...
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posted December 19, 2010 01:21 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 19 Dec 2010 21:23
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Seems like a hard bike to 60', for some reason(s)...
+1 Why is that you guys think is the gearing off that much or the bike just that beastly
Well the 17/43 was just to much for the TQ the motor puts out , i'd wheely in first with the littlest twist of the throttle .. I'd get the front end down in first and air shift to second and i was right back up in the air again .. We only had an 18 tooth with us so i told Roy to put it on .. I was thinking it was to much but we had to try soming to calm the bike down ..
Even with the 18 tooth i could only leave at 3500 , any more than 3500 it would stand straight up .. If i left soft i could keep the wheel down of the line .. If i twisted to throttle to fast in first it would come up , so i had to roll the throttle on real slow .This killed my 330 times and the best 330 was 3.89.... Two pros rode the bike and my 60s were lower than theirs .The best 60 i had ( 1.47 ) was with the 17/43 but i was in a wheely and had to back off . The damn bike is just very hard to ride with 100+ foot pounds of TQ at 3500 RPMs .. I was having a very hard time with my bad shoulder and arm to twist the thottle and hang on at the same time ... I had only two clean runs 8.83 @ 160 and 8.80 @ 163 .. The 3 other runs i got the bike would not shift to 3 gear .. Two other runs i had to just let off because i was in a wheely so high in first gear i had to chop the throttle.. I landed so hard it just jammed my shoulder so hard i was in to much pain to keep going .. I need my shoulder to heal and then make some changes to the bike and figure out what it needs to get the bike to front half ...It has pleanty of power , we just need to find out how to use it ..
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posted December 19, 2010 01:25 PM
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Seems like a hard bike to 60', for some reason(s)...
I'm sure Roy will let you ride it and you can find out for yourself ..If you think you can do any better than myself and two very well known pros have at it ...
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posted December 19, 2010 01:36 PM
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i would not think a 1000 lb spring would help either unless your 250lbs plus
Bently i'm not sure the spring is a problem .. It didn't seem to stiff .. It didn't feel much different than mind does once i set the shock .. It had plenty of sag when i set down on it ..And it did rub the under tale like it does on mine .. It didn't spin on the top end of the track or anywhere for that matter ... I watched it very close when the 185 pound rider was on it and it looked very good leaving the line ...
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posted December 19, 2010 02:19 PM
That kind of TQ needs a longer arm. Wish I could of made it down.
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posted December 19, 2010 02:44 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Dec 2010 22:47
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Seems like a hard bike to 60', for some reason(s)...
I'm sure Roy will let you ride it and you can find out for yourself ..If you think you can do any better than myself and two very well known pros have at it ...
Well, Lee, I can see where you are having issues with your arm injury...but if I, even at my weight, couldn't go any quicker than 1.49 60', I would be looking at the setup. There are a lot of bikes that are making more power than that, at that length, that can still 60'.
Like I say, probably setup combined with your injury. As for the guy going 1.51, I don't know how skilled he is. Could also have something to do with the tuning, or power curve at part-throttle. The mph shows that the peak power is there. 
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posted December 19, 2010 02:45 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Dec 2010 23:02
I'll tell you what. If you guys want to put that motor in my chassis, I would be willing as long as it is before my motor is done. And then you can ride it Lee, and we can see what that engine can really do.
I think it would be great...65", 455 lbs race ready, drag shock, slammed, and bst's. Besides, I am tired of clashing with Roy...after all, we both just want to go fast. 
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posted December 19, 2010 03:11 PM
It looks like i built a bracket bike ,,, you dont have to 60' it , it always goes 8.8x , you dont have to go over 10k rpm , and with 163 mph you should be able to keep the faster bikes from running you down :-)
I was very telling when the shakedown passes were as fast as the harder passes. The motor just doesn't need to spin up past 10k. Running to 11k just doesnt help at all with the stock cams. But that combo should last a long time since you dont need to beat it to death on every run.
Now that I am back in NC , I just need to ait for warmer weather :-(
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posted December 19, 2010 04:46 PM
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My offer still stands. 
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posted December 19, 2010 04:58 PM
I am not sure if there would be any gains without a longer arm. It seems like it needs gear to 60' better, but then the arm needs to be longer to prevent the wheelies...
I am guessing you will have the same issues when you get your motor back in there.
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posted December 19, 2010 05:00 PM
I think big cams in Roys bike would really help .. Cams would kill the botton end some and increase top end power ... Roy doesn't want to spend 11000 bucks on cams so we will have to work around that ... Remember Roy didn't build this bike for drag racing ..He built it for LSR and has done very well with it ... Roy will be the first to tell you he is NOT very good at drag racing a motorcycle ... But with all the TQ the bike has he has gone 9.30s on the bike with 1.60 + 60 foot times ..I still feel that the bike has 8.50s in it with longer wheel base , gearing and the bodywork back on the bike ..
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posted December 19, 2010 05:01 PM
Interesting....I mean, I can 60' Racheal's stock motor at 1.45...and I am very, very, very rusty. Maybe some low-rpm tuning would help?
The mph says it is making the peak power to go 8.50's or better...
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posted December 19, 2010 05:02 PM
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My offer still stands.
We could use your bike as long as we add 50 or maybe 75 pounds to the front end , other wise it will be a wheely stunt bike ..
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posted December 19, 2010 05:03 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 01:04
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My offer still stands.
We could use your bike as long as we add 50 or maybe 75 pounds to the front end , other wise it will be a wheely stunt bike ..
Ok...well, I guess we need a 525 lb bike to get the most out of Roy's setup.
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posted December 19, 2010 05:05 PM
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Interesting....I mean, I can 60' Racheal's stock motor at 1.45...and I am very, very, very rusty. Maybe some low-rpm tuning would help?
The mph says it is making the peak power to go 8.50's or better...
Well i can 1.34 my bike with stock motor , i can't Roys bike the way it is now.. If Roy want to stay with drag racing i'm sure we can figure it out in time ..
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posted December 19, 2010 05:07 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 01:08
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Interesting....I mean, I can 60' Racheal's stock motor at 1.45...and I am very, very, very rusty. Maybe some low-rpm tuning would help?
The mph says it is making the peak power to go 8.50's or better...
Well i can 1.34 my bike with stock motor , i can't Roys bike the way it is now.. If Roy want to stay with drag racing i'm sure we can figure it out in time ..
I'm sure you can 1.34...but not over-and-over-and-over...right?? My range is a shitty 1.48...to a 1.45...over and over and over.
My average is around 1.47. What is your average?? 1.40??
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posted December 19, 2010 05:09 PM
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My offer still stands.
We could use your bike as long as we add 50 or maybe 75 pounds to the front end , other wise it will be a wheely stunt bike ..
Ok...well, I guess we need a 525 lb bike to get the most out of Roy's setup.
Did you read the part " 50 to 75 on the front end " Nothing to do with the total weight but were the weight is placed .. Your bike has had a lot of weight removed from the front end with light body work , no head lights , BST wheels Ect .. Why do you think Brocks makes a 14 pound front axle for the busa with BST wheels ?
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posted December 19, 2010 05:10 PM
Lee...nobody is impressed with 8.80's on this bike. I'll leave it at that. You will go faster on my bike with a stock motor...by far.
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posted December 19, 2010 05:11 PM
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Interesting....I mean, I can 60' Racheal's stock motor at 1.45...and I am very, very, very rusty. Maybe some low-rpm tuning would help?
The mph says it is making the peak power to go 8.50's or better...
Well i can 1.34 my bike with stock motor , i can't Roys bike the way it is now.. If Roy want to stay with drag racing i'm sure we can figure it out in time ..
I'm sure you can 1.34...but not over-and-over-and-over...right?? My range is a shitty 1.48...to a 1.45...over and over and over.
My average is around 1.47. What is your average?? 1.40??
Right now it's 1.50 Avg ..
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posted December 19, 2010 05:15 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Dec 2010 01:16
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Did you read the part " 50 to 75 on the front end " Nothing to do with the total weight but were the weight is placed .. Your bike has had a lot of weight removed from the front end with light body work , no head lights , BST wheels Ect .. Why do you think Brocks makes a 14 pound front axle for the busa with BST wheels ?
Ok, yes I read it. Add 50 to 75 lbs to the front of my bike...so where are you dropping the rest of the weight to make it less than 525 lbs????
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