posted November 04, 2010 07:15 PM
Edited By: SteveWFL on 5 Nov 2010 03:37
'11 ZX10R: Kawi has explained lack of power. December Motorcyclist mag page 16 per Rob Taylor of Kawasaki:
quote:Chasing maximum output is the "old model of approach". Rob Taylor says the ZX-10R will rely primarily on electronic aids and a better power spread to enhance rideability and give Kawasaki the advantage it so desperately needs on the race track.
posted November 04, 2010 09:10 PM
did he? why spread BS all over the net promoting a 200Hp plus machine? backtracking now?
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posted November 04, 2010 09:21 PM
he shy'd away from the HP topic in this article, although he mentions the new bike shed 22 pounds
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posted November 04, 2010 09:55 PM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 5 Nov 2010 06:14
quote:December Motorcyclist mag page 16 per Rob Taylor of Kawasaki:
quote:Chasing maximum output is the "old model of approach". Rob Taylor says the ZX-10R will rely primarily on electronic aids and a better power spread to enhance rideability and give Kawasaki the advantage it so desperately needs on the race track.
I can understand that. The ZX14 is for drag racing, and the zx10 is for the race track. Enhance Rideability is more important for the race track, HP/TQ is more important for the drag strip. Buy the zx10 for a good track bike. Buy the zx14 for the strip. Why would a company build two motorcycle to do the samething.?
"did he? why spread BS all over the net promoting a 200Hp plus machine? backtracking now?"
Just to sell more units and the bike may have it in it, but just not for us (USA, Canada). There are a lot of other countries that will get a great stock bike.
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posted November 05, 2010 04:46 AM
This really doesn't talk about the power output, in terms of #'s. It is just a design philosophy that most manufacturers have been moving towards, imo. Meaning that tractability, power delivery, and usability are of more value than a big peak power number.
quote:This really doesn't talk about the power output, in terms of #'s. It is just a design philosophy that most manufacturers have been moving towards, imo. Meaning that tractability, power delivery, and usability are of more value than a big peak power number.
and they will sit on the shelf . nobody wants gaggets over HP . HP sells . gaggets cost money gain you nothing but a poser queen at starbucks ..
quote:This really doesn't talk about the power output, in terms of #'s. It is just a design philosophy that most manufacturers have been moving towards, imo. Meaning that tractability, power delivery, and usability are of more value than a big peak power number.
Really? So the euro bikes (Aprilia/BMW) are bucking "status quo" in a major way
posted November 05, 2010 05:19 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 5 Nov 2010 13:20
No not all all, Steve. The BMW has a ton of power delivery and riding aids as well.
We haven't even seen the US and UK independent dyno #'s on the 10R yet, so anything to do with peak output is just speculation on your part.
posted November 05, 2010 05:31 AM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 5 Nov 2010 13:33
So are they marketing the bike defeating bmw as the horsepower king, or are they now trying to compete with Honda for the rideability king? Which way does the corporate bs flow today?
Better to cover both bases just in case. .
Oh - and remember to censor all videos until we can get that figured out.
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posted November 05, 2010 11:19 AM
BMW announced they are developing a scaled back bike so Aprilia and others have a better change of closing the gap with them in 2012:
posted November 05, 2010 11:12 PM
The ZX-10 doesn't need work in the HP department to be a factor on the track. It needs frame/geometry reworking. that thing can't turn in to save it's own life.
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quote:December Motorcyclist mag page 16 per Rob Taylor of Kawasaki:
quote:Chasing maximum output is the "old model of approach". Rob Taylor says the ZX-10R will rely primarily on electronic aids and a better power spread to enhance rideability and give Kawasaki the advantage it so desperately needs on the race track.
Thats just sales pr bs, to cover the hp restriction in the US that kawi doesn't want the general public to know about, till after they buy the bike. Once the sales done, they figure the majority of folks will either like the bike enough to not care about the lack of power they were decieved about, or too lazy to fight about it. They know if they say anything official to the general public before the bikes are out and being sold, the bikes WON'T sell. So they're actually doing the smart business move by lying to the public. The same reason they're censoring everything they can online.
Thats why the term "BUYER BEWARE" and "DO YOUR RESEARCH" are so important. It applies to everything from you're medical treatment to buying you're next bike
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posted November 09, 2010 07:33 AM
It all comes down to bragging rights, who can say I have the most bad ass bike made. That will sell alot of bikes. That's what sold Busas and ZX's. That being said shit goes wrong with a BMW that would never go wrong with a Jap bike. They make simple stupid. I won't own another one and I've had ten of them.
posted November 09, 2010 04:40 PM
Yep I have to say after some reading on the bmw 1000 board, I wouldn't own one, at least not for awhile longer. For being a high end company, their bikes seem to have a lot of quality control issues. Not sure whats up with that? I've gotten kind of used to buying a japanese bike and riding the hell out of it for years, without ever having to worry about anything breaking. Seems like a bmw bike isn't quite like that? From what I've read buying a 2 wheel bmw (and not just the 1000) seems more like buying an american made car......you're always waiting for the next thing to break, or the next recall, ecu reflash etc
posted November 11, 2010 11:38 PM
Wow.....I don't know what to say about that video
So thats considered BMW quality ..... the other side of the chinese factory?
Good God
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