posted October 24, 2010 11:18 AM
The 2011 ZX-10 = the 2001 ZX12R Overhyped pieces of Verticalscope shit. Think of the open ended liability the first time some kid looses it in the rain with the low power setting of traction control on. Come to labusas.org to get the real lowdown. The truth is not for sale. You can buy and sell lies but the truth comes out on it's own. Nice work on the 450 Kawasaki. Now there is a bike I would buy if I didn't already have a built KTM 525EXC. The best part?? It's made by Arians in Austria, not Japanese in Japan, and said Arians don't need to lie about their bikes virtues and try to control the media while making themselves look like a bunch of jackasses. Do you really think the 2011 ZX-10 is so advanced it merits you international espionage game while waiting for the worlds best private race teams and most advanced dyno's to show you what a piece of over controlled shit it really is. As if the average street rider, (Your target customer) needs nine levels of traction control.Wait until little Johnny's product liability attorneys get a hold of this case. They will own your ass. You guys (Kawasaki), come off like some kind of industrial mafia when in actuality you are nothing more than a very small fourth of fifth rate player in the world of Motorcycle Manufacturing.
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JUST LIKE duc's EX GF SAID, "HES IS NOT EVEN A MILLIONARE", but he only slaps his kittens on the ass and he just has stuff Fast enough to to do something stupid with.
Bikeland got a chance to take an exclusive first look at the new 2011 Kawasaki ZX-10R today. We dig under the seat a bit and get some initial riding impressions. Watch the video above and for more complete coverage go to www.zx-10rzone.com to discuss in our ZX10R forums. Make sure to check out our Let's Dismantle a 2011 ZX-10R video when you're there!
that pic is incredible...top!
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2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
posted October 25, 2010 09:14 AM
The very first thing I ever did when joining this site was read the 14 review. The first thought in my head was that Bikeland sure has a problem with Kawasaki. That might not be what you want us to percieve but that is what I thought. Reporting facts is fine but facts with bias should be left for CNN. I am thinking Kawasaki might have the same thoughts.
Your website, run it however but we can DEFINITELY sense your issues with Kawasaki so please don't insult us by denying it like some (not all) have.
quote:The very first thing I ever did when joining this site was read the 14 review. The first thought in my head was that Bikeland sure has a problem with Kawasaki. That might not be what you want us to percieve but that is what I thought. Reporting facts is fine but facts with bias should be left for CNN. I am thinking Kawasaki might have the same thoughts.
Your website, run it however but we can DEFINITELY sense your issues with Kawasaki so please don't insult us by denying it like some (not all) have.
?? where is the bias in that review? it points out both the strengths and the weaknesses of the bike and recommends you buy one
man oh man
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
quote:The very first thing I ever did when joining this site was read the 14 review. The first thought in my head was that Bikeland sure has a problem with Kawasaki. That might not be what you want us to percieve but that is what I thought. Reporting facts is fine but facts with bias should be left for CNN. I am thinking Kawasaki might have the same thoughts.
Your website, run it however but we can DEFINITELY sense your issues with Kawasaki so please don't insult us by denying it like some (not all) have.
?? where is the bias in that review? it points out both the strengths and the weaknesses of the bike and recommends you buy one
man oh man
Yeah, but haven't we all read an article about a bike that you could tell that the writer had it in for that brand, and even though they said it was a great bike and you should own one.....the tone was they said it begrudgingly and wasn't really heartfelt? Which leaves you to think that they probably missed some of the good features and did their best to point out the bad. That is why I hate reading magazine articles, most leave me feeling that way. Or the other way around, they love the brand and bias toward the good and blow off the bad. I hate that too.
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Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
posted October 25, 2010 03:34 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 25 Oct 2010 23:34
Yeah...and when the follow-up article appears ill-timed, seemingly to cost a manufacturer sales...well, they take notice.
Especially when the article points to a run-dry-on-oil and destroyed motor(s) problem that seemingly nobody else has experienced...
Of course, that probably wasn't the intent. But perceptions are important...
posted October 25, 2010 08:13 PM
Edited By: fish_antlers on 26 Oct 2010 05:10
quote:Yeah...and when the follow-up article appears ill-timed, seemingly to cost a manufacturer sales...well, they take notice.
Especially when the article points to a run-dry-on-oil and destroyed motor(s) problem that seemingly nobody else has experienced...
Of course, that probably wasn't the intent. But perceptions are important...
Except for the fact that it happened, the bikes overheated and so did the 2nd and 3rd bikes we tested thousands apart in the vin range... then Kawi's technicians working with Bikeland confirmed the overheating and consequently added a second cooling fan etc to the Concours for those who tour with these bikes (you are welcome fellow Concours owners - glad Bikeland's experience with the ZX-14 and our story directly helped you and improved the brand).
Perhaps you didn't know that Shane, but it happens to be fact and that article which you perceived to be negative in fact pointed out a valid flaw that resulted in a positive outcome - the 2 cooling fans on the Concours which come to you courtesy Bikeland. Don't be so fast to judge Shane. Lots goes on here that you don't know about.
____________ What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
posted October 26, 2010 11:17 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Oct 2010 19:23
I am not going dispute your findings. Fortunately, most people haven't had that serious of a problem with their single-fan 14's.
As I say, it is more about perceptions. I am not going to question what you experienced, I trust your word.
Two fans is a good thing...maybe the next-gen 14 will have them.
posted October 26, 2010 03:59 PM
There's definately a line between liking your bike, and becoming a fanboy (unreasonable, irrational, and purposely blind to its faults). I currently own several different brands including a zx14, which is my favorite. My kawi's have almost always been my favorites all the way from the early 2 strokes (I pretty much had them all up to the 750 triple) then the four strokes, including the GPZ's, the ninja's, zx10's and 11's, up to the 14. I will buy, ride and enjoy whatever I like, with no brand attachment or loyalty. And I'll also acknowledge the faults as well as the good points of every bike (and the manufacturer) I've ever owned. I've gravitated more towards kawi's because they've always given me the power I crave. But I'll buy whatever brand gives me what I need. This "fanboy" mentality has alway made me think that the "fanboys" themselves might have a bit of a low ego problem that the fanboy mentality is trying to make up for. A bikes a bike. Its a toy you enjoy. You buy the toy you like and enjoy it. No need to become a fanboy over it.....it just shows your weaknesses
posted October 26, 2010 04:18 PM
Something we may have not considered might be happening here. Think about this.
They knew the regs. They must have.
What if all this shit is because when they brought the bike here when people testing the bike started banging into the rev limiter, the bikes were blowing up???? Floating valves or something of that sort.
Doesn't that make more sense than EPA, or some reg?
Then you really need to gag the internet and change the story to some bullshit EPA thing.
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Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
posted October 26, 2010 09:30 PM
Edited By: watthecu on 27 Oct 2010 05:32
Our crack... Ok, to be politically correct, our plumber cleavage reporters were out testing the latest from over sneeze pin the tail on the donkey ass we remove those from these buzzing with features. Yeast, year ate weirdwaysingworldhere, we give it our all or knoting a ding-ding.
Ding-ding, da switch is dead ass a doornail did someone ring the front door? Cheeze Is H ____ Fill in the blankit statement did we head back to headquarters at, WhoreWhoooZontalPooperSCoopers ready to type out an honest report on those latest wanna be boardcrackertracker boats.
Yeast, we know our produck all right is DUCK!....... Ha, PUuuuuuLL! Pow! Well, the recoil of the... Let me ass the editor what the fuck we just came off of?
quote:Something we may have not considered might be happening here. Think about this.
They knew the regs. They must have.
What if all this shit is because when they brought the bike here when people testing the bike started banging into the rev limiter, the bikes were blowing up???? Floating valves or something of that sort.
Doesn't that make more sense than EPA, or some reg?
Then you really need to gag the internet and change the story to some bullshit EPA thing.
No, that doesn't make more sense. If that were the case the UK bikes would be restricted too. Dumb theory, but thanks.
posted October 27, 2010 08:34 AM
Well then riddle me this.
What is their biggest market?
Do they research and understand the regulations for the year of release?
Who would make a decision to not meet the regulations of their biggest market, causing a marketing disaster?
Since when does Kawasaki not have the engineering skills to meet those regs?
Something is amiss, and it ain't the epa regs.
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Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
My head - My head - My head could give two shits is widow me dis? WATT or WOT does epa stand for?
En Poop Ah is got no poopsay epa say, 02 is riddle me dis? Eat PooSea Anytime is what epa means. So, eat my shorts to shore, someone has invaded the sushi tray. Something is fishy, you throw 90 maps at a V-4 say. Send the head in another direct in the light gear is light years ahead look out!
Is spark is spark? Yes. Riddle me this. Spark one way is runs backwards. Spark it another way it flame fronts down the power stroke in the late setting? Are we square waved in the ignition curve of it?
OK, crank is me crank is stroke is me stroke and bore is bore me stroke is just a time value you hang the rod there in the retard mode. We have the riddle on the bottom end and timing squared way is away up the ladder we go. Riddle me a head gasket now.
Head is my head is a headache I have to clowntown you on your knees sucking my change and two sides slapping your chin. Rod and reel me dis you stand or have your knees in front of my package you stand in front of the fish market ass well you might ass well jump in and stink with the restof'duh 42 flukingclueless about sticking a head on a K from a G.
WE GOTHATesticle still poking the side of your face, ass it were up there from the rear where it started. One straight linear line is how it got to your mouf-cough-choke-cough now in your cheek....... Pull out? I don't see you moving away from it like my hands are wrapped around you like you can't get away... Get a Clue!
posted October 27, 2010 10:40 AM
Am I the only one that can see watthecu crazy posts? Is he like bikelands crazy uncle everyone just dismisses his incoherent ramblings because he's not all there?
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'09 zx6r lime green bone stock
'07 white S.E. ZX-14 sold
quote:Yeah...and when the follow-up article appears ill-timed, seemingly to cost a manufacturer sales...well, they take notice.
Especially when the article points to a run-dry-on-oil and destroyed motor(s) problem that seemingly nobody else has experienced...
Of course, that probably wasn't the intent. But perceptions are important...
Except for the fact that it happened, the bikes overheated and so did the 2nd and 3rd bikes we tested thousands apart in the vin range... then Kawi's technicians working with Bikeland confirmed the overheating and consequently added a second cooling fan etc to the Concours for those who tour with these bikes (you are welcome fellow Concours owners - glad Bikeland's experience with the ZX-14 and our story directly helped you and improved the brand).
Perhaps you didn't know that Shane, but it happens to be fact and that article which you perceived to be negative in fact pointed out a valid flaw that resulted in a positive outcome - the 2 cooling fans on the Concours which come to you courtesy Bikeland. Don't be so fast to judge Shane. Lots goes on here that you don't know about.
Would you like me to quote the sentence from that article that made Kawasaki think that Bikeland is a worthless POS?? Are you really that blind? Looking at Bikeland's timeline it is pretty obvious of what is going on here. I am not saying you are wrong, just that it is obvious why Kawasaki has no love for this site.
quote:Am I the only one that can see watthecu crazy posts? Is he like bikelands crazy uncle everyone just dismisses his incoherent ramblings because he's not all there?
I have to read his stuff 2 or 3 times before I even begin to understand what he is talking about. But I never really do. I have not figured out what language it is, something between gibberish, and I have taken too many chemicals in my life and I am not firing on all 8. OR He is from the Bizzaro (Superman comics) world and that is just the way they talk. ____________
Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
quote:Well then riddle me this.
What is their biggest market?
Do they research and understand the regulations for the year of release?
Who would make a decision to not meet the regulations of their biggest market, causing a marketing disaster?
Since when does Kawasaki not have the engineering skills to meet those regs? Something is amiss, and it ain't the epa regs.
Perhaps Aprilia and BMW are paying Kawasaki to stay "just a little under' regarding bike for bike performance in the USA ____________
2010 Concours14
'08 R1 YAMAHA
ZX14 gone!
CBR600RR track bike
quote:Well then riddle me this.
What is their biggest market?
Do they research and understand the regulations for the year of release?
Who would make a decision to not meet the regulations of their biggest market, causing a marketing disaster?
Since when does Kawasaki not have the engineering skills to meet those regs? Something is amiss, and it ain't the epa regs.
Perhaps Aprilia and BMW are paying Kawasaki to stay "just a little under' regarding bike for bike performance in the USA
That would be the only way Kawasaki is going to make money on this thing if it doesn't meet or beat the BMW.
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Ted
2000 Green ZX12 sold
The fast color!!
Green 2005 ZX10R
2009 Concours Black ABS
quote:Well then riddle me this.
What is their biggest market?
Do they research and understand the regulations for the year of release?
Who would make a decision to not meet the regulations of their biggest market, causing a marketing disaster?
Since when does Kawasaki not have the engineering skills to meet those regs?
Something is amiss, and it ain't the epa regs.
I agree with you there Ted, somethings not right with this whole epa thing. BMW had no prob meeing the regs, the other makers have met the regs without HUGE hp reductions, and I haven't heard a word about any new epa reg changes for 2011. And I'm sure we would have heard about them. Its almost like kawi heard about them at the last second, but we know thats not it either. Somethings definately not right about this. I'm thinking they just made such a radical, big cammed engined that it just couldn't pass the regs. It is a huge step up in performance from the prevoius 10. Maybe they just weren't able to get an engine quite that radical through the regs with all the hp. Although BMW did, and I think unrestricted the kawi will make more ponies than the beemer, but not a ton more. I think maybe bmw just has a bit better grip on getting all their hp through the US regs. We'll see what the other japanese makers do and how much they get restricted with their new machines I guess?
quote:Am I the only one that can see watthecu crazy posts? Is he like bikelands crazy uncle everyone just dismisses his incoherent ramblings because he's not all there?
posted October 27, 2010 12:54 PM
Basically what the jib said is that the secret to speed is not the ignition, or crank length. It is more the head that gives you the HP. Not too much has changed through the years but the heads keeps making more HP than OTTO ever dreamed.
Simply stated; the valve train is the killer part of the RR. No heavy buckets over the valves. More like light rocker arms on the toilet flush handle operating the flow. Does uncle OTTO make sense say now sin say, chin low insert penis?
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