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posted October 06, 2010 03:25 AM
Drag race clean up??
Ok, i made it out to ORP last night and didnt do so well. It was not a horrible night but not exactly what i was planning for. (ill take the seat time though)
I could not seem to get my 60' times down to what i wanted. I believe i was throwing in too many variables and not focusing on one thing at a time. Plus i am still running the stock tire which has to go very very soon.
the best pass i made last night was..
R/T....... .195
60'....... 1.990
330...... 4.882
1/8........ 7.164
MPH.. 108.10
1000..... 8.615
1/4....... 10.765
MPH.... 135.18
Not quite my best but only .3 slower than my previous personal best on my 07.
The issue i am having currently... I did not apply wax or anything to the Undertail i have on my 09. I spent a while last night trying to get the rubber and i believe VHT off. I can not seem to get it completely clean and back to looking normal. What do you guys use to take that crap off a painted surface?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
Patrick
Also indynic i have a few photos of the runs that i will post up soon if you want to look at them.
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posted October 06, 2010 04:31 AM
Is it still gooey? IF it is still gooey you may have to use simple green to remove it. If it is not sticky, you could probably wax it with a cleaner wax, then wax it again with a regular wax. You could use a claybar too, that would definitely do it.
Maybe next time try the masking tape under the tail. I have seen a few cars do that to keep their fenders clean. Once you are done at the track, peel it off, along with all the rubber and you are done.
We both need a new tire and need to run at a track with some grip! I tried to spray in third gear and spun all to hell last night.
Can't wait to see the pics!
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posted October 06, 2010 04:36 AM
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Ok, i made it out to ORP last night and didnt do so well. It was not a horrible night but not exactly what i was planning for. (ill take the seat time though)
I could not seem to get my 60' times down to what i wanted. I believe i was throwing in too many variables and not focusing on one thing at a time. Plus i am still running the stock tire which has to go very very soon.
the best pass i made last night was..
R/T....... .195
60'....... 1.990
330...... 4.882
1/8........ 7.164
MPH.. 108.10
1000..... 8.615
1/4....... 10.765
MPH.... 135.18
Not quite my best but only .3 slower than my previous personal best on my 07.
The issue i am having currently... I did not apply wax or anything to the Undertail i have on my 09. I spent a while last night trying to get the rubber and i believe VHT off. I can not seem to get it completely clean and back to looking normal. What do you guys use to take that crap off a painted surface?
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
Patrick
Also indynic i have a few photos of the runs that i will post up soon if you want to look at them.
what was your tire pressure at? i'd say start at 18psi and move it around from there.
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BobC
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posted October 06, 2010 04:53 AM
What is the specification of the bike ?
It's hard to give advice without knowing this. A stock ZX-14 should get into the low tens.
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posted October 06, 2010 04:58 AM
A little WD40 will help take that VHT off the bike.
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TH1RT3EN
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posted October 06, 2010 06:20 AM
 Edited By: TH1RT3EN on 6 Oct 2010 14:23
my 09 is all stock except for it being stretched 5" & lowered 1.5" in rear. I have the Brocks strap for the front and stock tires. I started launching at 3k, 3500, and 4k. I cant seem to get the hang of slipping the clutch enough to not bog down right off the line or spin tires. I was spinning a little bit coming into 2nd but it didnt seem to be over whelming.
I will try some clay bar and or wd40 & see if that helps tonight. It is still a little tacky but not a whole lot anymore. I know next time i am going to utilize masking tape. Should make it TON easier to clean up.
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posted October 06, 2010 08:41 AM
Stretched, lowered, and 10.76. I'm off the show room floor with a front strap runing 10.20's. And I know I could be a little faster. Sounds like you need a lot of seat time.
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posted October 06, 2010 09:09 AM
Edited By: TH1RT3EN on 6 Oct 2010 17:13
07zxninja: I can agree with you on that note. I have not been on the 1/4 mile very much on bike. (maybe 25-30 passes on the 07 about a year and 5 months ago, and 15-20 passes on my old zzr600 a year before that) I have raced cars quite a bit in the past, and i know they are 2 different worlds on the track.
The only other aspect that is probably different from you to myself is i am 255-260 unsuited.
So i do not expect to be the fastest person out there. I am just trying to beat my personal best and also make a back up run to make it stick.
If anyone has any advise i am more than willing to listen and try to improve.
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posted October 06, 2010 09:59 AM
Edited By: zxrider11 on 6 Oct 2010 18:00
What sprocket gearing are you running?
Sounds like you need more seat time, and focus on dropping your 60 foot times to 1.60 or better.
With your lowered, streched set-up, and power mods I think 10.0's or better should be attainable.
Keep practicing and work on your race tuck.
For comparison, I have a 2008 stock ride height and stock wheelbase with sport touring tires at 32 psi.
I have only been down the quarter mile 10 times in my life, and my best time so far is 10.32 @ 145mph.
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TH1RT3EN
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posted October 06, 2010 10:18 AM
the only mods done are in my sig. i am running stock gearing, clutch, motor, tires, ect.
My personal best on my 07zx14 was 10.4 @ 138. I was expecting to be able to at least match that with the extensions. The 07 was all stock as well with it being lowered 1.5' and strapped as well. The 07 was not stretched, it was stock wheel base. The only difference was it had a Tsukigi exhaust with a pipercross filter & PC III with a good map.
My 09 i am running the alienhead meg with a brocks map on a PC V & BMC race filter.
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posted October 06, 2010 10:52 AM
your mph seems a little low for your mods...... Get forward on the seat and slide that clutch out fast and feed the throttle. I'm no pro, but every time I go, I get a little better at something. Good luck.
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posted October 06, 2010 12:54 PM
WD40 on a rag gets traction compound of , (dont spray near your tyre)
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indynic
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posted October 06, 2010 02:21 PM
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your mph seems a little low for your mods...... Get forward on the seat and slide that clutch out fast and feed the throttle. I'm no pro, but every time I go, I get a little better at something. Good luck.
You gotta remember that this dude weighs 260 lbs. I was there last nite and was running 139-140 mph and I weigh about 240 lbs. suited.
We are cornfed Indiana boys. They grow 'em big here!
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posted October 06, 2010 03:35 PM
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You gotta remember that this dude weighs 260 lbs. I was there last nite and was running 139-140 mph and I weigh about 240 lbs. suited.
We are cornfed Indiana boys. They grow 'em big here!
HAHAHA Very very true...
I was finally able to get the VHT off of the undertail and the rest of the body work. WD40 worked wonders. I never realized that stuff could be used for that purpose. The cleaner wax and the other wax also did a nice job of bringing back the shine and protecting it again.
Next time i am masking all of it off before i go. Wayyy too much work involved removing that crap.
Patrick
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posted October 06, 2010 03:54 PM
Here you go Nic, There is only one pic with you in it and its not very good. I will have the other pics in about a week or so. Jenn is taking care of some other photography stuff this week.
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posted October 06, 2010 07:12 PM
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posted October 06, 2010 07:21 PM
Edited By: Wheelie on 7 Oct 2010 03:34
the more you use the wd40 the easier the compound will come off, also if its the really tough compound do your burnout just out of the puddle
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posted October 07, 2010 01:25 AM
Are you lining up in a tire groove, or in the center of the track? You need to get in one of the car tire grooves.
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posted October 07, 2010 02:50 AM
Edited By: TH1RT3EN on 7 Oct 2010 10:52
Early in the evening I was running in the left center part of the lane. (I was the first to make a pass on the track since I got there right when they opened the doors. They swept the track and did minor prep work before we ran.) Towards the end of the evening I had a buddy who races help me out by checking the starting line for the best groove. At that time I was running in a previous riders groove and the cars were running in the same groove.
One thing I keep doing and I am not positive on how to fix is the initial launch. If I am correct (correct me if I am wrong) when I launch I think I am letting the clutch out too quick and not giving it enough throttle. I say this because the bike seems to bog down as soon as I get the clutch out. Then just after 60' it hooks and starts to rev back up and I am good to go.
Should I be giving it more throttle initially to avoid the bog? I know I am at least at 1/2 throttle or a little more at that time. Then I am at WOT just at or after the 60' mark. I keep trying to get to WOT as soon as I possibly can but when I do I seem to spin right off the line. With the stock tire the only way I could not spin was to feather into it. (I am currently in the process of buying another rear tire. I will be getting the Shinko 003 regular. I don’t want the u-soft mainly because I do a lot of street riding and I want the tire to last at least 2k-3k miles. Plus I have run on that tire before and I am comfortable with it.)
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posted October 07, 2010 04:25 AM
Patrick I would just put on a set of quality tires on the bike since you street ride. The stock bridgestones are HORRIBLE. I just put on Michelin pilot powers and have been very impressed. Try a 43 tooth rear sprocket to help ofset some of your bulk and still be really good on the street. I am using a Super Sprox that is aluminum center with steel teeth with great results,but you will have to be able to slide the rear wheel forward on your extensions to fit the larger sprocket.
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posted October 07, 2010 04:39 AM
Edited By: BobC on 7 Oct 2010 12:50
My technique is to use about 4,000rpm off the line - and don't let the rpm go any lower - controlling the launch with the clutch, as it bites you're going to be winding the throttle open more to avoid it bogging down. This is where a lot of riders go wrong, they keep it on a constant throttle and lose rpm, the Kawasaki clutch will take it. As soon as the clutch is home you should then be in the power band and you can get maximum acceleration, using throttle control to avoid wheelying or spinning the rear.
It's better to build your technique by being gentle off the line and letting the engine do the work rather than giving it too much. With your +5 inch wheelbase you should consider stickier rubber.
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posted October 07, 2010 04:45 AM
I have been debating a bigger rear sprocket.. Do you really think it will help that much? i know they are not that expensive. Plus i alrady have a speedo healer installed so re-programming the the speedo would be a piece of cake.
I have been checking out the michelin PP 2ct's, i have heard both good and bad about them, face to face i have only heard good from people. Would they hook pretty decent for a track day every now and then? There is only 3 more track days available for me this year at ORP before they close their doors. I would like to hit at least 2 of them.
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posted October 07, 2010 05:17 AM
That stock tire will not work on a stretched bike. Secondly, stop using your clutch to shift.
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TH1RT3EN
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posted October 07, 2010 06:13 AM
Edited By: TH1RT3EN on 7 Oct 2010 14:16
I am clutchless shifting while on the track. all i do is hold pressure on the shift lever and blip the throttle when i get close to redline. I did goof a few times when i thought i was holding enough pressure but apparently i was not so i missed the shift from 2-3. But after i cursed at myself i eventually fixed that issue.
Question... Would it be more benificial for me to drop a tooth on the front, or add 2 teeth on the rear? From what i have heard dropping one on front equals +2 on rear.... correct? I am thinking if i drop a tooth on front i can maintain my legnth plus a small amount for losing a tooth up front.
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posted October 07, 2010 07:18 AM
2 in the rear is agout equal to 1\2 a tooth on the front Patrick.+ 2 in the rear is very streetable,but if you also drop a front it will not be real highway friendly. It would be great for the track and your bulk though. If you do try the front sprocket route use the stock Kawasaki Zepher sprocket as it has a rubber backing and will not howl like ALL the aftermarket front sprockets do. The part number is in Shanes ever helpfull build thread. You should see if. He still has some of the low profile oil pan bolts available since you are lowered,weel worth the price vs.oil pan.
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