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posted August 08, 2010 08:36 AM
Added different cams to the RC Performance head
I had installed a nice RC Performance ported head on the 06 1000. As mentioned before the head ended up being more than they said it was going to cost plus they told me that there were some valves bad even though I had just checked all of them because I wanted to make sure it had good valves in it before they started working on it. (I think they used the valves to jack the price up). Anyway, The head looked nice, I put it on and with two reground intake cams from Lee's performance it made 203 RWHP. it was 188 before the head was installed. I got another set of cams off of another site and they were a 395 lift intake and a 355 exhaust. Yesterday on the Dyno it only made 195 RWHP, this was with several different cam settings. But it was nearly 108 degrees in the dyno room. HOT would be an understatment. I am not satisfied with the numbers or performance of this package so I am taking this head off and going to get the Carpenter Head and cam package which is what I wanted and should have done in the first place. I am looking for some low 5.30's in the 1/8th out of this bike and so far low 5.40's is all she will do. RC Performance does not have a flow bench and can't check the flow of there work. I think for the price they would make a great street head and there work looks great and fast turnaround. The turbo sure is a lot easier to make power. Just a 7/16 wrench and an allen wrench. 1 full turn in on the wastgate adds 7 hp to the wheel.
  
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posted August 08, 2010 08:48 AM
ha ha , we were just talking about that last nite. turbos spoil you. they dont care if you have a ported head or not.
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posted August 08, 2010 09:03 AM
 Edited By: dubious on 8 Aug 2010 17:09
those are good numbers! I think the best numbers you will see is about 210-215 RWHP stock displacement , ideal conditions
Cooper does fully radiused valve jobs, porting and anything else you could imagine.
Their prices are also very reasonable comparatively.
I think many vendors actually use their heads to resale. Service was second to none, very friendly and informative, and I got exactly what I asked for, for the price quoted.
My head is built for turbo, stainless 1 piece fererra valves, brillium seats, radiused valve job, and combustion chamber cleanup was perormed.
Porting was not much concern, just slight cleanup, plus bowls, valve guides since it will be under boost.
Jim from competition cnc would definately treat you right as well.
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posted August 08, 2010 10:44 AM
My GS has a Cooper head. Also he did the head on my old GSXR1100 I sold a few years back. I had forgot about Jerry Cooper. The head on My turbo Busa has been Extrude Honed. (extrudehone.com). 418 RWHP. I am looking for closer to 220 at the rear wheel on the 1000. Maybe I am asking too much for what I have. If these dang Suzuki 1000's weren't so cheap to build and all of the part's so interchangable I would get me another 14. But it's nice being able to change the transmisson out without splitting the case. On a friends 1000 we were in a hurry after he tore 2nd up, we hung the bike upside down in his shop by the wheels, took the bottom case off, swapped in another trans, put it back togther and was headed back to the track in less than an hour.
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posted August 08, 2010 01:07 PM
I have an 06 GSXR1000 that can use a package deal if the price is right.
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posted August 08, 2010 03:00 PM
Make offer and your stock stuff.
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posted August 08, 2010 07:08 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Aug 2010 03:09
What is the displacement of the motor?
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Big_T112
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posted August 09, 2010 04:09 AM
stock HC pistons 14:1 comp.
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posted August 09, 2010 04:32 AM
Pm sent with my number.
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posted August 09, 2010 06:04 AM
We have a guy at our track that runs 5.20's with a stock motor and spray. Bike is streatched to around 70".
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posted August 09, 2010 08:06 AM
Mine will go back that far but everyone you run starts complaining about it being so long so it stays about 65". That's the numbers I am looking for out of this 1000. Hopefully it will get there before I sell it.
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posted August 09, 2010 08:12 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Aug 2010 16:13
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stock HC pistons 14:1 comp.
And you are looking for 220 real hp? Carpenter doesn't advertise that kind of hp on anything less than a stroker with 3mm(?) pistons.
8100 Stroker Package
220 Horsepower
This package includes:
Megacycle Cam custom ground to proprietary Carpenter Racing specifications
Full Custom Valve Springs
Full CNC 30x24 Race Port
EFI mapped to Carpenter Racing specs*
Full Slipper 1097CC pistons
Stroker crank with rods and bearings
$8,100
You will never see 215-220 real hp on stock displacement. I mean, never. Now, you may have a dyno that reads really high, and get the #'s....since all dyno's are different.
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posted August 09, 2010 08:44 AM
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Mine will go back that far but everyone you run starts complaining about it being so long so it stays about 65". That's the numbers I am looking for out of this 1000. Hopefully it will get there before I sell it.
He leaves the line bouncing off the limiter. I forget his 60's. Either high 1.2's or low 1.3's.
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posted August 09, 2010 10:51 AM
I am not going to spend $8100 on a $4500 dollar bike. I might not get 220 but I think I can do better than 203. and then add the 50 shot. Dyno's are for tunning. I try not to get caught up in the overall HP number too much. What it does on the track is what you judge by. Most of my bikes are home built. I do my own work, it's the only way I can afford to do it. you know it's a shame when you got a bike that will run 5.40's in the 1/8th and it's only remotely competative in it's class. Several years back when the top bikes at the track were ZX11's and GSXR1100's a 5.40 would have made you the the KING. Now it's not a big deal.
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posted August 09, 2010 10:57 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Aug 2010 19:12
I wasn't suggesting that your spend $8100...I was just saying that your hp expectations are probably unreasonable. What did the bike make stock motor, on that dyno?
Also, are you saying that you gained 15 hp with this head..for about $1300 in head work?
If so, those are darn good results!
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posted August 09, 2010 11:22 AM
Edited By: Big_T112 on 9 Aug 2010 19:23
Head with bigger valves and cams were added, so were they H.C. pistons. then I put some bigger cams in it. It lost a little but it was hot out. Stock head, stock pistons, stock cams with pipe, filter and Bazazz it made 166 H.P. I know you weren't suggesting that I spend that. Sorry if I sounded like a Dick. What I meant was I can't spend $8100 dollars. My oldest girl goes to Miss. State and it drians almost all of my play funds to pay for her school. I am unreasonable I guess. I guess I need to leave well enough alone and get a lighter rider.... But it's so darn fun to go fast!
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posted August 09, 2010 11:35 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Aug 2010 19:37
That's cool...I didn't even think you were being a dick.  But I 'm just saying, maybe you can work on something else with the bike to get that .10? It sounds like it runs pretty decent...I mean, 35+ hp over the stock motor and still on stock displacement...that is strong!
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posted August 09, 2010 12:53 PM
It is. But a lot of the 05-06 1000's I have read about dyno'ed in the mid 180's on H.P. Mine was lower than most.
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posted August 09, 2010 01:32 PM
what fuel you using to get those numbers?
sounds like a nice street sleeper for the canyons and mountains
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posted August 09, 2010 05:07 PM
and a lot of zx14's and busas have gone 180-190+ hp with just a pipe, but No one is believing them either...
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posted August 10, 2010 02:11 AM
It's a salvage bike and has all light weight bodywork with no lights. Even the tank is fake. 338lbs. With a thin head gasket and a Street meg, PC3R and a filter my 07 ZX14 made 181 on the same Dyno.
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