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posted April 27, 2010 02:22 AM
Speedgene,
11 to 1 is not a normal a/f ratio.
Why are you not running a PC, or a Bazzaz to properly control your injector pulse width? I'm just curious. It really doesnt matter to me.
Good luck with your project.
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posted April 27, 2010 04:11 AM
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What is the rating of the '06-'07 injectors and the '08 and up injectors?
06 -07 has 330s and 08-10 has 440 i think
has anyone confirmed that ? I am currently running '06 injctors but have a set of '08 also .
when i used an '08 ecu on the bike with '06 injectors it smelled like it was real fat . The holes on the injector on the 08 are smaller , but there are more of them. But i seems that the if the pulse width is longer at idle , it would be less flow . That is assuming that the flow rate is limited by the holes in the nozzle .
has anyone tested the flow rates of these injectors ?
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posted April 27, 2010 04:43 AM
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I was wrong , Hub , you cant figure it out .....Roy
As a matter of fact, that is what I told that guy at the light in my video. Should I believe someone is gonna tell me my bike is going to lean out with the flies out and did the bike take a shit? I guess I could not figure it out. Mine runs like stink and it's fat ass rich. Still runs fast ass rich without the air cleaner in it.
Where do these guys come up with these ideas if I apply my own idea and it pans out. Am I lucky or is there something behind door number tre.
And how is it I am asking two educated individuals a yes or no question and they have to be schooled or retrained to answer a yes or no and now back it up like the leaned out condition that was suppose to happen. Anyone retract their statement? I haven't yet.
The practical event was the pressure on top of the coffee cup. Say a wire leak for a spark goes to ground not the side electrode is do you agree electricity finds the shortest path? So, would not an open hole that never closes, would that not still pass air and since that is a source, would that not act as fast as electricity to fill that void faster than some heavy liquid?
I have so many simple yes or no's going and not a one wants to take a stab at the home schooler to correct his homework.
Hub , here is your homework assignment.
put a throttle body on a flow bench with the butterfly removed ( or held completely open) and run the same pressure you would expect to see at WOT .
measure the flow
adjust the air bleed to min
measure the flow
adjust the air bleed to max
measure the flow
you dont have to reply with the answers,,, we already know what they are.
and for extra credit , you can explain how that has anything to do with injectors being maxed out . While I may be maxed out on air flow somewhere ,,, I cant find that until I get FUEL into the motor First.
why don't you go over to zx-14.net and annoy them ? I am sure they need you help.
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speedgene
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posted April 27, 2010 07:33 AM
Roy, I still owe ya. If you only knew WOT I haven't showed you on video like you need more injector.
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and for extra credit , you can explain how that has anything to do with injectors being maxed out.
Because, if this is just an out of the crate N/A engine and you need more fuel, you need to show me some extra credit, I can't get this thing out of the 11:'s on the cruise nor at WOT is what I am talking about. But now, I find it fuel til; we going back and forth with you and a flow bench and me sitting over the throttle body running super fat and off the scale, no piggy.
I'll just sit back and watch the Linears go at it. Class dis mis.... Like over rich you can see that WB needle speak a different tune I'm way too rich. But, I'll figure it out with a little turn of the, luck would have it.
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wrongway
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posted April 27, 2010 01:08 PM
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Because, if this is just an out of the crate N/A engine and you need more fuel, you need to show me some extra credit .
Hub , IF you could read ,,,, you would have seen that this is a 1530 cc motor on E85. and just to prevent you from spouting more bullshit , E85 is 85% ethanol and requires about 40% more volume than gasoline. so with the 15% increase in displacement and then 40% more volume on top of that for etathanol, the injectors are maxed out.
Was reading optional in your home schooling , or was it some backyard version of hooked on phoenics ?
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posted April 27, 2010 03:53 PM
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Roy, I still owe ya. If you only knew WOT I haven't showed you on video like you need more injector.
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and for extra credit , you can explain how that has anything to do with injectors being maxed out.
Because, if this is just an out of the crate N/A engine and you need more fuel, you need to show me some extra credit, I can't get this thing out of the 11:'s on the cruise nor at WOT is what I am talking about. But now, I find it fuel til; we going back and forth with you and a flow bench and me sitting over the throttle body running super fat and off the scale, no piggy.
I'll just sit back and watch the Linears go at it. Class dis mis.... Like over rich you can see that WB needle speak a different tune I'm way too rich. But, I'll figure it out with a little turn of the, luck would have it.
if you can't get it out of the 11:1 it is because you are using a device from the '80s
last time I looked at a calendar it was 2010
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posted April 27, 2010 07:06 PM
 Edited By: speedgene on 28 Apr 2010 03:09
Thanks, CheezeIS. < Bows to the Tuners. Oh look! A dot org showed up.
Well, mr. cheezeman, I do things old style with the new style bikes. You roller/flow bench tuning bandits is I think I still got game for you guys. My next move was swap the ECU which I do not have or back to stock OEM and wideband the meter reader from there. I have my trusty, rusty, Champion spark plug reader, thank you from the '70s, last time I got out of my rocking chair made out of stone. We didn't have trees back then I'm old.
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posted April 29, 2010 06:48 AM
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well i'd be all ears to see/hear about these injectors.
They are from Marren Fuel Injection. They are Bosch EV6 injectors that have been machined on the ends to fit the zx12/zx14/busas etc.
I'll be posting more on this in a few weeks after we do some testing of the 47 and 50 mm throttle bodies we are having made for the zx14. They will work in conjunction with our stage 2 and stage 3 cnc ported heads for the zx14.
But they would be great for the e85 setup too. Running a stock fuel pump at 70psi is surely going to reduce its life span. I recommend getting the bigger injectors and getting that pressure back down. I would call Tim Marren and ask him what size injector you actually need.
i was told that the EV6 wont flow enough for the E85 +nitrous ... are you looking at the EV6 for the dual pattern spray ?
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posted May 02, 2010 05:00 PM
Dough nuts to 'doll hairs,' I have your answer.
Blue body Gen1 10 hole runs 11:1 rich.
Green body Gen2 12 hole runs 14:7 perfect.
Using a Gen2 ECU.
No flies: 15° 10 hole Blue throttle body 2006 unit complete.
1. Even adjusting air screws, bike will pin 10 and 11:1 no matter WOT < Literally!
2. Shitty shifting and I'll get back to that.
3. O/A performance was bitty, torquey, smooth.
4. Water bars ran coolest of both settings stated here.
Flies In: 20° 12 hole Green throttle body 2008 came with the bike.
1. Match turns at the air screws so the ratio was even.
2. Immediately pinned under light load, somewhere around 14: to ? Need to video finer ratio points.
3. WOT the throttle, the wide band never touched 11:1 A/F, but carried near the 13 ratio range with an accel into the 12: ratio
4. Dramatic shift quality difference between subs in and subs out. Subs make a big difference.
5. Water bar stability normal.
6. Gained a few more ponies. WOT a nice change.
This is fact, and cannot be disputed. Or the bike and the ratio meter lied to me today.
Conclusion is; owe you forever, ww... You want fat running injectors, run blue body 10 hole. Hold on, Cowboy. I now have 1000cc Kawi injectors made the same year. These will be swapped into the 15° body, see if we can match blues one more time or green is lean... Work in progress.
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posted May 02, 2010 06:59 PM
that doesnt help me .... I am running the 06 injectors and I am out of fuel with E85 on the stroker motor .... you just cant read ..... Put in a tank of E85 and you will see .... I have spare motors forsale , special price just for you hub.
but I should have new injectors i a few days :-)
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posted May 03, 2010 12:36 AM
Edited By: speedgene on 3 May 2010 08:38
Well, call me stu pit, but say I'd be in the pits changing ECU's with my 10 holes. Can't see what I said, when I said the air does not change you take a hole off the vacuum tube and what does the meter read? 14.7. You are telling me the air signs off the higher in rpm you go. School me is skool you, go tell the IAP sensor the vacuum gauge is not reading 14.7 is a constant reminder. Butt what do I know?
Get it? Take the Gen2 Ecu with a Gen1 throttle body. Vacuum screw you right out of that trophy. EYE O U is wezza even.
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posted May 03, 2010 04:47 AM
even I cant take it anymore....
this is for you HUB
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posted May 03, 2010 10:34 AM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 3 May 2010 21:54
Again hub has been left wanting.....Hung out to dry, a fart in the wind.. One would think after getting hit in the head with a hammer a hundred times he would fugure out it hurts like hell ..Not Hub, he just comes back for more..I have to give old Hub an A+ for trying ..
Here's to you Hub  
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speedgene
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posted May 03, 2010 02:33 PM
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Again hub has been left wanting..... a fart in the wind.. a hundred times... hurts like hell ..Not Hub, he just comes back for more..I have to give old Hub an A+ for trying ..
Here is to you Hub
Wanting a crisp tune is wanting. Thanks, Smoke, coming from you. And here is to you, "The Hand," like I can't see the wind match my screw up? I can't see a decent rider from afar, how far back? I find that 220hm the same way I see that 440cc. It's just tuning fluffs and someone's diaper gets all tied up in a wad. I mean, it's bike speak every week. I'm asking detailed questions that have one absolute answer. Best bet for THEM is to ignore me is one way out of the question. Can't answer a simple question I proposed in so many different ways, they do not see the one answer is not my tuning fault. I get guys asking on line what the fuck and they have all the equipment? I sure do ask myself, WOTHE ??! All I am doing is just goofing like I need to fart in the wind? I need to ask Flo[w] if that is covered? Seeing my, 'trying' record is "A+"; according to some, who's undies are not all soaking wet with the tail under the legs, someone ban him [meaning me] I can't get a straight answer, [they with the rolling barrel under THEIR wheels]. You get the wanting of it, right? Roll up their abstract is roll out the carpet. I guess they know their shit so, better I sit back and watch from afar. Right on, you guys go right ahead. I'm gonna fart in my own little way, when I have some extra roller under the assfactor and the 02 are tunes of clues.
Dyno need a dyno. Use play with it. I play alone with the meter reader input, study my homework all for one and one for all the farting going on. WOT drama over an injector change. Since he ignored me [button], he could have said he tried that angle or heard about that angle. I guess he posted the 330/440 question and did not know that answer still? And, I'm the one confused? That IS RICH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0eadQjzqSk
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