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posted April 26, 2010 01:03 AM
Yea its handy if you have a micrometer because sometimes you don't even need to buy shims, sometimes you can get away with shuffling some of them around in the places need + - sizes.
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posted April 26, 2010 02:30 AM
Have Not had the "Pleasure" of setting my valves on my 14 yet. (7500miles) but my 1998 ZX-9R had the shims under the bucket. Hated pulling the cams to swap shims. Look for a 0to 1 mic that has a "Friction" Wheel design and carbide ends that touch the shims. When you turn the handle to close in on shim it will free wheel so you do not over tighten the mic and miss read it. Digital mic is nice too MM or standard with touch on button. But more $$
I was a Tool&Die Maker/Machinist for years. Wish you were here I have expensive Brown & Sharpe mic'sin a set from 0 to 6. Keep us posted on if the "pimg"goes away.
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posted April 26, 2010 05:23 PM
 Edited By: 3000psi and falling on 27 Apr 2010 01:30
I ended up with a Digital Caliper, ive tested it with my feeler gauges and its dead on.. Shold this work ok?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 26, 2010 05:36 PM
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I ended up with a Digital Caliper, ive tested it with my feeler gauges and its dead on.. Shold this work ok?
Yes that should be ok. It's just that you may have to double check the readings sometimes if you grab the shims wrong but you should be fine.
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posted April 26, 2010 05:46 PM
I use a Mitutoyu digitial mic. Honestly probably the best out there.
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posted April 26, 2010 06:12 PM
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I use a Mitutoyu digitial mic. Honestly probably the best out there.
Is this like a Muzzy vs Brock now? :-) Starrett makes a qualiy mic too.
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posted April 26, 2010 07:02 PM
Hum my measurments seem consistant when I re check shims, but about half of them fall at like .48 or .47 instead of .45 or .50
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 26, 2010 07:11 PM
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I use a Mitutoyu digitial mic. Honestly probably the best out there.
Is this like a Muzzy vs Brock now? :-) Starrett makes a qualiy mic too.
They use Mitutoyo mics at most Japanese engine and machining factories. That alone should say something besides being made in japan 
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posted April 26, 2010 07:20 PM
They use Brown&Sharpe on a Rolls Royce. :-)
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posted April 26, 2010 07:27 PM
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They use Brown&Sharpe on a Rolls Royce. :-)
Yea and we know how reliable those damn cars are lol.
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posted April 26, 2010 08:04 PM
Ok I have a list of the shims I need, I can re use 8 of them, Ill try to pick up just the ones I need tomorrow. And its all going to go togather nice n easy like, and have the correct valve lash. (: Well thats the plan,,
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 27, 2010 11:23 AM
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Ok I have a list of the shims I need, I can re use 8 of them, Ill try to pick up just the ones I need tomorrow. And its all going to go togather nice n easy like, and have the correct valve lash. (: Well thats the plan,,
Ooooh careful throwing out words like nice N easy before the jobs done lol!
J/K! Very cool man.
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posted April 27, 2010 09:59 PM
First dealer swaped out 6 of my shiims for 6 bucks each, then had to go to another dealer to get the last 2. I had my girlfriend go into this one for me and they did not charge her!! lol So all 8 shims totaled out at 36 bucks, not to bad compaired to 80 for a kit on ebay.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 27, 2010 10:57 PM
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First dealer swaped out 6 of my shiims for 6 bucks each, then had to go to another dealer to get the last 2. I had my girlfriend go into this one for me and they did not charge her!! lol So all 8 shims totaled out at 36 bucks, not to bad compaired to 80 for a kit on ebay.
Cool!
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posted April 28, 2010 07:28 PM
ok I have one intake and one exhaustvalve that are each just over spec, one intake was about .22 and the exhaust was about .28 Do I need to tear it back apart over this?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 28, 2010 08:13 PM
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ok I have one intake and one exhaustvalve that are each just over spec, one intake was about .22 and the exhaust was about .28 Do I need to tear it back apart over this?
No kidding that's just barely over the maximum .
I think it would be ok. You might hear a tiny bit of ticking and then maybe you won't.
I know it won't be ticking loudly but depending on your tastes anything ticking might be too much.
You won't know for sure till you fire her up and take a listen.
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posted April 28, 2010 09:31 PM
I think id rather it be loose over tight right? lol Well in this situation! Tight clearance burns valves right? Loose clearance does what?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 29, 2010 02:24 AM
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I think id rather it be loose over tight right? lol Well in this situation! Tight clearance burns valves right? Loose clearance does what?
I bet it will Not tick when bike is normal temp. Oil Hot with fan just turned on all should be quiet. Same thing on my ZX-9R I had to pull cams and swap out shims. One was just a little loose out of spec.When I installed the cams. But when engine warmed up.quiet. A little loose is better than a little tight. Most owners Do not have the nerve to pull cams and do this.............. Thumbs Up.... next time cams are out have slotted cam gears installed and learn how to use Degree wheel and a buy a Mag. base and 1 inch travel Dial Indicator and learn how to "Degree Lobe centers" back to spec from cam chain stretch. Next time..this is a REAL PIA. Sometimes will not be better running engine.sometimes you gain. Depends
how much the chain has moved the lobe centers. Read up on finding TDC and read about Degree Wheels. Dead stop tool in spark plug hole. etc. Next time. It is sooo easy to get cams 180 degrees out of sync. Turn over engine with plugs out by hand before you start engine first time after you are all bolted up.
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posted April 29, 2010 09:42 AM
Edited By: 3000psi and falling on 29 Apr 2010 17:44
Atfer turning the motor over a few times it seems to have closed up the 2 valves lash a bit, they are both just about .01 over now. My only issue is the cam tensioner, I have it installed but I never heard the click that the serv manual states. I pushed the plunger down all the way, set the catch, and started to insert it, it gets about 1/4 inch or so from the surface when it makes contact with the chain slide. I ran it the rest of the way with the bolts taking note that the plunger was adjusting in as to not damage the chain. The chain feels good and snug, and the tensioner gived when I tug on the chain. I think its working right but im not sure. The manual states that I will hear a click when I release the stop with a screw driver, but I think it released on its own by makeing contack while installing it..??
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 29, 2010 10:22 AM
Wait Im a dummy. I was not setting the catch on the very last notch. Its installed correct now.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 29, 2010 12:47 PM
Thanks for all the help everyone! It feels good getting in there and pokeing around, not as scary as I was thinking. Thanks again for all the help!
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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