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posted April 25, 2010 11:50 AM
I need a better set of feelers, ill go get some now. Can you use 2 gauges to make the size you need?
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posted April 25, 2010 12:04 PM
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number 4 exhaust is 0.20 and 0.19 so far.. To tight right?
Yes that's tight but normal tight not excessively tight, check the clearance when the lobes start to point away from the spark plugs and report back.
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posted April 25, 2010 12:10 PM
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In this case yeah the picture is decieving, From an angle the filter turns black. Ill be checking the valves tomorrow. So if the plugs look good what els should I look into for causing the pinging? Like I have said, the bike did not do this for the last 16,000 miles. So I find it hard to buy that its out of tune now. ???
You'd be surprised to see what a fresh set of plugs can do... And you're changing the filter too so she'll be flowing better that ever .
Remember to check the gap on all the new plugs too cause sometimes they come out of their boxes all out of wack even though they are new.
Uneven gaps will cause all kinds of problems too.
All shops that I've seen just drop in a set of plugs without even checking them 
Probably because you aren't supposed to re-gap iridium plugs.
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posted April 25, 2010 12:13 PM
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I need a better set of feelers, ill go get some now. Can you use 2 gauges to make the size you need?
You can but it's not good cause if any thing and even if oil gets between the guages you will get a false reading. Get some better guages!
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posted April 25, 2010 12:23 PM
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In this case yeah the picture is decieving, From an angle the filter turns black. Ill be checking the valves tomorrow. So if the plugs look good what els should I look into for causing the pinging? Like I have said, the bike did not do this for the last 16,000 miles. So I find it hard to buy that its out of tune now. ???
You'd be surprised to see what a fresh set of plugs can do... And you're changing the filter too so she'll be flowing better that ever .
Remember to check the gap on all the new plugs too cause sometimes they come out of their boxes all out of wack even though they are new.
Uneven gaps will cause all kinds of problems too.
All shops that I've seen just drop in a set of plugs without even checking them
Probably because you aren't supposed to re-gap iridium plugs.
So with that said , I guess it's ok to put plugs in with gaps that are off??
Why would manufactuers specify a plug gap if you aren't supposed to check it and adjust if necessary?
The only reason why it's said to not adjust the gap on iridium plugs is to prevent idiots from destroying their motors cause the have no idea what they are doing and have no business doing anything with their hands.
You adjust the gap by bending the ground strap with a gaping tool . You don't touch the center electrode.
Very simple procedure.
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posted April 25, 2010 01:10 PM
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In this case yeah the picture is decieving, From an angle the filter turns black. Ill be checking the valves tomorrow. So if the plugs look good what els should I look into for causing the pinging? Like I have said, the bike did not do this for the last 16,000 miles. So I find it hard to buy that its out of tune now. ???
You'd be surprised to see what a fresh set of plugs can do... And you're changing the filter too so she'll be flowing better that ever .
Remember to check the gap on all the new plugs too cause sometimes they come out of their boxes all out of wack even though they are new.
Uneven gaps will cause all kinds of problems too.
All shops that I've seen just drop in a set of plugs without even checking them
Probably because you aren't supposed to re-gap iridium plugs.
So with that said , I guess it's ok to put plugs in with gaps that are off??
Why would manufactuers specify a plug gap if you aren't supposed to check it and adjust if necessary?
The only reason why it's said to not adjust the gap on iridium plugs is to prevent idiots from destroying their motors cause the have no idea what they are doing and have no business doing anything with their hands.
You adjust the gap by bending the ground strap with a gaping tool . You don't touch the center electrode.
Very simple procedure.
From previous experiences of Iridium plugs the gaps of all of them were dead on, unless they were dropped or jossled around alot then are factory gapped spot on. Ive been buying and installing Iridium plugs since 2003 and ive never re-gap a single one nor had have any running issues whatsoever.
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posted April 25, 2010 01:14 PM
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In this case yeah the picture is decieving, From an angle the filter turns black. Ill be checking the valves tomorrow. So if the plugs look good what els should I look into for causing the pinging? Like I have said, the bike did not do this for the last 16,000 miles. So I find it hard to buy that its out of tune now. ???
You'd be surprised to see what a fresh set of plugs can do... And you're changing the filter too so she'll be flowing better that ever .
Remember to check the gap on all the new plugs too cause sometimes they come out of their boxes all out of wack even though they are new.
Uneven gaps will cause all kinds of problems too.
All shops that I've seen just drop in a set of plugs without even checking them
Probably because you aren't supposed to re-gap iridium plugs.
So with that said , I guess it's ok to put plugs in with gaps that are off??
Why would manufactuers specify a plug gap if you aren't supposed to check it and adjust if necessary?
The only reason why it's said to not adjust the gap on iridium plugs is to prevent idiots from destroying their motors cause the have no idea what they are doing and have no business doing anything with their hands.
You adjust the gap by bending the ground strap with a gaping tool . You don't touch the center electrode.
Very simple procedure.
From previous experiences of Iridium plugs the gaps of all of them were dead on, unless they were dropped or jossled around alot then are factory gapped spot on. Ive been buying and installing Iridium plugs since 2003 and ive never re-gap a single one nor had have any running issues whatsoever.
Sweet you check your plugs before you throw 'em in 
Lots of people and shops don't so you're part of an elite group 
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posted April 25, 2010 01:26 PM
Ok back with a 32 blade feeler gauge set, and a new wire style spark plug gauge for my new plugs. Ill post my finding in a few.
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posted April 25, 2010 01:29 PM
Cool!
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posted April 25, 2010 01:36 PM
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number 4 exhaust is 0.20 and 0.19 so far.. To tight right?
Yes that's tight but normal tight not excessively tight, check the clearance when the lobes start to point away from the spark plugs and report back.
Seems the same 0.19
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 25, 2010 01:39 PM
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number 4 exhaust is 0.20 and 0.19 so far.. To tight right?
Yes that's tight but normal tight not excessively tight, check the clearance when the lobes start to point away from the spark plugs and report back.
Seems the same 0.19
Time to open that clearance back up!
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posted April 25, 2010 01:41 PM
Yeah I figured that would be my luck! lol Why/how did they get so tight?
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posted April 25, 2010 01:43 PM
How many miles on the motor?
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posted April 25, 2010 01:45 PM
 Edited By: SLVR_BLT on 25 Apr 2010 21:48
They get tight because the valve and valve seat wears out slightly thus the valve sits higher as it wears making the shim clearances tighter. Some people actually thought gap increases with wear but it doesn't. It will get tighter and tighter until there is actually a preload on the valve, when this happens not only will you lose compression it will end up burning a valve since the valve does t have a sufficent cool down time between cycles.
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posted April 25, 2010 01:51 PM
And some motors tighten up more and faster than others . Bikes that are raced often or used at high rpms will tend to tighten up faster than a bike that is used as a commuter or a tourer.
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posted April 25, 2010 01:52 PM
Well that would make since then..
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posted April 25, 2010 01:58 PM
Edited By: INTIMIDA2OR on 25 Apr 2010 22:10
I like to check my lash both cold and hot.
Mine is on the tight side at almost 60k . I'd adjust them but they still have decent clearance when she's hot.
And since I have access to a boroscope I'm able to peer down into the cylinders and see what's up . There is no signs of the valves burning so I'm gonna leave mine alone again till the next interval .Unless they get a lot tighter then I'll mess with them then .
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posted April 25, 2010 02:36 PM
almost done, Im doing a few things at once.....
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 25, 2010 03:09 PM
ok here it is. intake from left to right. 1st cyl .14 .16 2nd .13 .13 3rd .15 .14 4th .13 .13mm
Exhaust 1st cyl . 20 .21 2nd .18 .21 3rd .20 .20 4th .20 .18mm
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 25, 2010 03:17 PM
Sould I buy a $80 shim kit? or get them one by one at the dealer?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 25, 2010 05:01 PM
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Sould I buy a $80 shim kit? or get them one by one at the dealer?
I'd buy the shim kit cause it's a bitch to have to go back and forth to the dealer especially if you get the sizes wrong .
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posted April 25, 2010 05:41 PM
yeah mine is about an hour away! Ill get one off ebay, hot camz kit should be just fine right?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 25, 2010 05:50 PM
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yeah mine is about an hour away! Ill get one off ebay, hot camz kit should be just fine right?
A half hour? Yikes!
Yeah Hot camz will work. Cheaper than oem and just as good.
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posted April 25, 2010 06:22 PM
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yeah mine is about an hour away! Ill get one off ebay, hot camz kit should be just fine right?
A half hour? Yikes!
Yeah Hot camz will work. Cheaper than oem and just as good.
Good, Looks like ill be buying a micrometer to, the shims numbers are all worn off. Better to check them anyways.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted April 25, 2010 06:58 PM
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yeah mine is about an hour away! Ill get one off ebay, hot camz kit should be just fine right?
A half hour? Yikes!
Yeah Hot camz will work. Cheaper than oem and just as good.
Good, Looks like ill be buying a micrometer to, the shims numbers are all worn off. Better to check them anyways.
Wow shim #'s worn already huh?
That's how you tell if someone actually rides the bike or not lol!
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