TampaGunSlinger
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posted April 19, 2010 05:31 PM
••••••)> OH SH!T, I think i F'ed my motor up! HELP zx14 gurus
let me start from the beginning here in tampa it rained hard all sunday day and night... i have a cover i use to cover the bike everynight... but after like 2 months its no longer water proof... but its all i have for the time being.. i have been looking for place with a garage for a while now... so this morning around 6am its still a little damp out and i jump on the bike to go to work.. i'm running late so i just started it went not letting it warm up.. there is a light a block away and i thought it would have time to warm up there.. and i would just kind idle to the light. i made it like 100ft or so and the bike started sputtering bad and kept shutting off... i push it home and took my truck to work.. when i get home i check all the fuses, they are good, then i take all the fairing off to start looking around i thought maybe the power commander ground came loose, and when i got to it the bolt was a little loose... i tighten it and still no start then sputter then stall... i open the gas cap and i see the whole inner brim has like 1/2" of water sitting in there... so i take off the tank and drain it... the gas looked like it had a lot of water in it, like maybe it has been collecting in there every time it rains. i put some fresh gas in there and start it it sputters and idles like shit for about 45 sec and then it starts running normal...i let it heat up and re-charger the battery and then shut it off to put all the parts i took off back on..
about 5mins after i shut it off i notice the oil window is white and looks a little creamy.. i open the oil cap and it looks like there is a thin white film on the clutch plates or whatever is in there... when i tip the bike the oil looks normal in the window so i take it for a 5 min ride to fill up the tank with good gas and when i get back it looks white again and the inside of the oil cap has little white bubbles in it not alot just some on the top of the inside of the oil cap... wtf is it.. i never notice this before and i look at the oil often.. change it ofter.. i have amsoil 10-40 full synthetic in there now.. the motor only has 3500 miles on it, its an 06 with slip ons 2 bros, stock air filter...
did i fuck something up running it with water in there with out knowing it... and the rubber ring in the gas cap looks a little warped so i think its leaking in that way, or do you think the water is condensing in there for the bike living outside, how do i stop it, can i run the bike? what should i do.. i want to take it to work like i do every day... the ride i took to get gas felt great! it felt alot stronger then it has in long time... plus a little less noisy...
  
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted April 19, 2010 05:46 PM
I think you should change your oil again and replace that gas cap gasket and most definitely find a garage to keep her in asap !
You'll be fine after all that is done 
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zxbob
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posted April 19, 2010 05:48 PM
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I think you should change your oil again and replace that gas cap gasket and most definitely find a garage to keep her in asap !
You'll be fine after all that is done
........ and a LONG ride to put some good heat in the motor !
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LAB3
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posted April 19, 2010 06:03 PM
 Edited By: LAB3 on 20 Apr 2010 02:04
Sounds like moisture as collected in crank case. Humid there?? Intimdator has the right idea, change oil and filter and ride for 30 miles and look in crank case again.
Edit Bob posted quicker :-)
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TampaGunSlinger
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posted April 19, 2010 06:48 PM
i should mention i took the bike out sat. night and all was well it ran great, the bike is not sputtering now if fact the ride i took to get good gas felt real strong, stronger then normal, it ran like the day i picked it up, thats what leads me to believe that this water has been collecting in there all this time, i mean i didn't get on it but i could just tell it was def running better.. it just has white film looking crap in the oil window.. i will be changing the oil tomorrow.. i will post after to let everyone know.. but fuck this oil and filter is only 300 mils old
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kawasakijockey
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posted April 19, 2010 07:41 PM
If you ride it enough to get it hot to vaporize the moisture in the oil it will go away.
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zixxer14
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posted April 19, 2010 07:44 PM
It's simply condensation in the oil you're seeing. Run the motor long enough to get hot & it will disappear. As for the water in the tank, it seems that Kawi did a shit job with draining that out of the filler area. There should be a drain to let the water run out of around the cap but it clogs or was never open to begin with. My bike will collect water around there also. If the cap leaks or you open it the water enters the tank, I tried to clear the drain but it wouldn't blow through or clear with a probe. Probably the same reason they hiss when the tank gets low, the vent doesn't work. I've thought of replacing the cap with a twist off race cap thinking this might cure the problem.
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posted April 19, 2010 08:16 PM
I wouldn't suggest anyone else do it, but I have ran diesel fule in the crankcase of ATV's to pull the moisture out of them after thay have drowned. Diesel absorbs water like no other, and also is a fair temporary lubricant for idling to temp and draining.
I have found it could take up to 8 oil changes to get water out of the crankcase, and using diesel, more like 4, with alot less run time to pull it out. You can ride it around like athat though.
Like Bob said, you need to run that motor for a good full tank and boil the water condensation out of engines, otherwise it collects. This happens allot with bikes that are used for short trips, and never really ran warm or hot.
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posted April 19, 2010 09:12 PM
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It's simply condensation in the oil you're seeing. Run the motor long enough to get hot & it will disappear. As for the water in the tank, it seems that Kawi did a shit job with draining that out of the filler area. There should be a drain to let the water run out of around the cap but it clogs or was never open to begin with. My bike will collect water around there also. If the cap leaks or you open it the water enters the tank, I tried to clear the drain but it wouldn't blow through or clear with a probe. Probably the same reason they hiss when the tank gets low, the vent doesn't work. I've thought of replacing the cap with a twist off race cap thinking this might cure the problem.
No kidding, my gas tank filler ring is sorta rusted like water collects in the area. But i know that the gas cap has a tight seal because on a hot day if i let it sit in the sun for a few the gas filler starts to scream and fart from the gas expansion.
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68gts2
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posted April 20, 2010 03:21 AM
How far is your ride to work Tampa? I am guessing its a short one which is causing the condesation. Having no garage I am sure you don't want to lesve the bike to warm up for 5 to 10 minutes as it may not be there when you go to leave. Keep us posted.
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TampaGunSlinger
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posted April 20, 2010 03:38 AM
Edited By: TampaGunSlinger on 20 Apr 2010 11:39
my ride to work is like 9 - 15 mins at 45mph or less the whole way but the way home take me 30 mins or more cause of the traffic. leaving the bike runing is not a good idea unless you are standing next to it or better yet on it...
so what should i do to keep the condensaion out of the gas... should i change the oil or just let it idle for a while or ride it slow to burn the water out... the oil is really new... do you thik the water got in the oil cause i was trying to start it for a while before i found the water in the tank and some how it seeped down in to the oil from the head where the injectors must have sprayed some in...
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LeonidasZX14
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posted April 20, 2010 03:42 AM
I live in Florida too and just went through the same thing. I changed the oil and all is well. Do a search on blown head gasket or condensation?
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posted April 20, 2010 03:59 AM
I'll chime in my agreement with the solid advice above.
1.Change the oil and oil filter and add an agent to the tank to eliminate all fuel system moisture just to be sure you got it all.
2.Go for a good long ride and get all the condensation vaporized out of your crankcase, no good can come of internal moisture. (FYI: this condition could reoccur if you only go on short trips as a habit)
3.Replace either the tank lid with a better sealing model or at least a new gasket.
4.If you cannot garage the bike, invest in a premium high quality cover that waterproofs but is breathable.
Sounds like you dodged a bullet, I think your bike will live but you should take some preventative steps to insure this won't happen again.
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LAB3
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posted April 20, 2010 05:29 AM
Also do Not cover up the 14 until it has cooled off.
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posted April 20, 2010 06:10 AM
Keeping the tank full will help keep the inside of the tank from sweating due to weather changes.
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posted April 20, 2010 06:10 AM
That's not condensation in the tank, the condensation is in the crankcase. It will go away with longer rides. The water in the tank is from it leaking in through the gas cap & that should be addressed by changing the gasket or replacing the cap with another style cap. Changing the oil is optional if you ride long enough to evaporate it. This is not that uncommon on bikes ridden short distances. If the water is coming from the head you need to teardown & replace headgasket. To check the headgasket without tearing it apart squeeze the return radiator hose, if it is rock hard pressure from the combustion chamber is escaping into the cooling system.
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posted April 20, 2010 10:03 AM
How much oil did you put in the bike. I know this sound crazy but maybe you have too much oil in the bike. Let some out and see what happens. I did the same thing I changed the oil the first time with the cut down oil pan. One day I went to go for a ride and checked the oil before i set off. I could see a bubbly white film through the glass. I lost it. Was thinking head gasket. Someone told me to drain some oil and within minutes I saw a difference. No breathing room I guess.
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TampaGunSlinger
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posted April 20, 2010 11:00 AM
i don't think its to much oil cause i have had this oil for about 3-400 miles and with the short rides i take i have probabliy looked in the oil window like 20 times since its been changed, it only happened after this whole thing happened, the oil window has been clear since the day i owned it till now... i don't think its the head gasket cause it ran really strong when i took it to get gas... i think the water will burn out of the oil if it gets hot enought i'm just worried about the oils ablity to lube and cool the motor while it has this small amount of water in it... and fuck i don't make a ton of money i wont be able to change the oil till thursday cause i don't have an extra 60 bucks to spend
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posted April 20, 2010 08:05 PM
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TampaGunSlinger
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posted April 21, 2010 01:46 AM
i felt the water hose on the right side of the bike like it was suggested above while it was running and it wasn't that hard to squeeze, and after i shut it off the window was only a little foggy, i left it out side in the florida heat all day i think some of the moister or evaporated or something
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posted April 21, 2010 04:21 AM
get a sheet of plastic and then put your cover over it
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TampaGunSlinger
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posted April 22, 2010 04:23 PM
thats what i will be doing till the new caps comes in...
i changed the oil today no obvious signs of oil i think it had some extra bubbles in it when it splashed in to the drain pan.. and i think it smelt like gas....
new oil is in going to diner now will report after i get back
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TampaGunSlinger
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posted April 22, 2010 08:05 PM
so i just went for like a half tank ride 2hrs or so and the window is as clear as it use to be.... i rode to work and back before i changed the oil and the window was white the whole way there and back not just when i stoped but while i was riding.. now its really clear...
thanks all for helping
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posted April 22, 2010 08:11 PM
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so i just went for like a half tank ride 2hrs or so and the window is as clear as it use to be.... i rode to work and back before i changed the oil and the window was white the whole way there and back not just when i stoped but while i was riding.. now its really clear...
thanks all for helping
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zixxer14
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posted April 23, 2010 07:12 AM
Now ride the shit out of it instead of leaving it under a tarp in the rain!
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