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posted April 06, 2010 08:47 AM
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Just reread your post if most of your racing is from roll ons that start at 80 plus and go to 180 rather than launching from a dead stop I would go with 17/44 that should give you about the same top speed as a stocker with better roll on acceleration as well..............your not going to really get more speed than the 186........particularly at your size and weight unless you add some horsepower to that motor.........might want to consider nitrous or Y2K's head and cam package...........THEN you'll gain both acceleration AND MPH.........remember gearing is usually a trade off.
Yes........................ down side is 17/44 will not go on a stock chain. I had to wait until the stock chain finally stretched out at 1500 miles or so before the rear 43 would fit. I walk away from friends 14 with 17/41 doing roll on's so bad and I am 30 pounds heaver he changed too. 14 will still see 190 at 11,000 with 17/43. Speedo healer :-)
Next chain I will go with all new 17/44 in steel sprockets and a EK ZZZ chain and rivet the master link.
  
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posted April 06, 2010 10:40 AM
You should be more respectful when asking for free advice that cost a lot of money to figure out on your own and in some cases is priceless.
If you know it or not when you posted "Please stop posting in this thread." Must of the people reading your thread said phuckyou.
Now for your question:
"ok now................without being rude or crude.............am I going in the right direction with
this combo or what?"
No your are going in the wrong direction with that combo and your weight/power ratio. I suggest you install a speedo healer and run some were between 16/43 and 16/46. I suggest you start at 16/44.
Most of the time if your opponent ask for a 2nd gear roll-on they are going to start from 1st gear and if you start from 2nd at your weight( which is close to mine) you don't have much of a chance.
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By the way, how do you determine who won the roll-on; Is it by who hits the top end limiter first?
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posted April 06, 2010 02:43 PM
What gearing would you guys recommend for SWB roll-on acceleration. I'm thinking 16/42 or 16/43. Don't want a wheelie machine!
Thanks in advance
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posted April 07, 2010 11:15 AM
Red1,
What is your weight, and what gear, speed, and rpm do you start from?
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posted April 07, 2010 11:31 AM
 Edited By: Red1 on 7 Apr 2010 19:33
BLKICE,
WT: 190
BIKE Gearing: 16/40
ROLL ON GR: 2nd/3rd
Speed 70mph
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posted April 07, 2010 12:42 PM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 7 Apr 2010 21:05
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BLKICE,
WT: 190
BIKE Gearing: 16/40
ROLL ON GR: 2nd/3rd
Speed 70mph
Red1
I think 16/43 @ 70 mph in 2nd or 3rd gear, you may lift the wheel a little but if so, it will come down at gear change without you having to back out of the throtle.
However, I think you should go with 16/42 and start in firt gear @ 70 mph. You will have quicker accelaration for a longer time, but It may wheelie a little more.
I think a low power wheelie is a good thing. It lets me know that the weight has transfer to the back wheel for maxium traction. If you have the front strap leave about an inch of slack in it. (measured while you are setting on the bike) This will allow for a qiuck weight transfer for traction and reduce high wheelies. I suggest you install a speedo healer if you want to reach the bikes top speed.
Check out //www.gearing commander.com/
Hopefully someone close to your weight and set-up will chime in and give you first hand info.
Good luck,
BLK ICE
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posted April 07, 2010 12:53 PM
He rolls on at 80 to 180 will 16/43 go 180?? This what 4 of us old farts do on the Hiway :-)
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posted April 07, 2010 01:02 PM
Edited By: BLK ICE on 7 Apr 2010 21:14
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He rolls on at 80 to 180 will 16/43 go 180?? This what 4 of us old farts do on the Hiway :-)
LAB3
@ his weight(280) he may not reach a true 180mph with any gear combo on stock power and surely he will not win many races if he gears his bike to do so IMO.
gear commander.com state a ZX14 will do 180mph 16/43 @10600 rpm. There are many other factors to consider.
Shane is very good at top speed gearing.
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posted April 07, 2010 01:08 PM
Edited By: Hurricane on 7 Apr 2010 21:19
I am 280lbs. My friend has a Hayabusa who weighs 180lbs. He could pull me 3 bikes to about 150mph. I changed to 16/43 and now pull him 3 bikes. I have no need to hit 180mph!
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posted April 07, 2010 01:13 PM
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I am 280lbs. My friend has a Hayabusa who weighs 180lbs. He could pull me 3 bikes to about 150mph. I change to 16/43 and now pull him 3 bikes. I have no need to hit 180mph!
your friend isnt on a 08 Booza
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posted April 07, 2010 01:24 PM
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posted April 07, 2010 01:27 PM
he's a beginner, 280 on a 14 will not out run 180 on a 08 Booza, sorry
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posted April 07, 2010 01:52 PM
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He rolls on at 80 to 180 will 16/43 go 180?? This what 4 of us old farts do on the Hiway :-)
LAB3
@ his weight(280) he may not reach a true 180mph with any gear combo on stock power and surely he will not win many races if he gears his bike to do so IMO.
gear commander.com state a ZX14 will do 180mph 16/43 @10600 rpm. There are many other factors to consider.
Shane is very good at top speed gearing.
Thanks I will go to the gearing site. Next chain thought about 17/44 for street. 180 is fast enough on Hiway. Looking to be a litle Quicker thru the gears on the street.
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posted April 07, 2010 03:21 PM
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Red1
I think 16/43 @ 70 mph in 2nd or 3rd gear, you may lift the wheel a little but if so, it will come down at gear change without you having to back out of the throtle.
However, I think you should go with 16/42 and start in firt gear @ 70 mph. You will have quicker accelaration for a longer time, but It may wheelie a little more.
I think a low power wheelie is a good thing. It lets me know that the weight has transfer to the back wheel for maxium traction. If you have the front strap leave about an inch of slack in it. (measured while you are setting on the bike) This will allow for a qiuck weight transfer for traction and reduce high wheelies. I suggest you install a speedo healer if you want to reach the bikes top speed.
Check out //www.gearing commander.com/
Hopefully someone close to your weight and set-up will chime in and give you first hand info.
Good luck,
BLK ICE
BLK ICE,
I will start with 16/42. My bike has Muzzy dog bones on middle hole and the front is lowered 1.25 internally with the Schnitz lowering blocks. I cool with a small 6 - 12 " wheelie, just don't want any 12:00 wheelies!! Already have the speedo healer installed. I did check the gearing commander and 186 is plenty of speed for me on the street!!
Thanks for the feedback I appreciate it!!
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posted April 07, 2010 03:27 PM
BlkIce I am with you on your opinion about the not posting thing and what people think on our site.I made a post in one of jetskidave's earlier post that was a joke about Bawls and got an ugly pm from Dave. I think he is grumpy or a dick one.
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posted April 07, 2010 03:28 PM
You're Welcome. Glad I could help.
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posted April 07, 2010 08:37 PM
68gts2.................I guess that you think that you are cool just making jokes about people and calling them names on the internet. Does that make you feel like a better man?
You can't hide behind the keyboard, no matter where you live.
I sent you a private pm. I suggest that you read and understand it.
Then give me a call.
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posted April 08, 2010 04:17 AM
Jetskidave, get your ass of your shoulders man. Reread my previous post, your ass knows so much why are you asking nooby's like us?? Just keep on doin what your doin, street racing because your not good enough to go to the track...
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posted April 08, 2010 07:45 AM
Wee, I have an 07 flies out, PC3, C/T exhaust 16/43 gearing. My Booza friend knows my lisence plate by heart!, Sorry!
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posted April 08, 2010 08:09 AM
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68gts2.................I guess that you think that you are cool just making jokes about people and calling them names on the internet. Does that make you feel like a better man?
You can't hide behind the keyboard, no matter where you live.
I sent you a private pm. I suggest that you read and understand it.
Then give me a call.
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what a douche bag.... I tell you what, since you know so freakin much, how we run? You going to he near atl this weekend?? Then we can see who's gear is better.
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posted April 08, 2010 08:14 AM
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Wee, I have an 07 flies out, PC3, C/T exhaust 16/43 gearing. My Booza friend knows my lisence plate by heart!, Sorry!
Gearing is everything.what is the Booza gears????
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posted April 08, 2010 08:17 AM
I dont know if some of you realize it but weight does not change top speed numbers but a guy's size will because of him catching the wind. One of the cycle mags did a test on this in the early 90's to prove it. I always thought lighter was faster but all it really means is lighter is quicker.
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posted April 08, 2010 09:25 AM
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Jetskidave, get your ass of your shoulders man. Reread my previous post, your ass knows so much why are you asking nooby's like us?? Just keep on doin what your doin, street racing because your not good enough to go to the track...
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posted April 08, 2010 01:27 PM
Edited By: Hurricane on 8 Apr 2010 21:28
The booza is all stock, if he changed his gearing he would then beet me, so I wont tell him!!! 
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posted April 08, 2010 01:30 PM
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Wee, I have an 07 flies out, PC3, C/T exhaust 16/43 gearing. My Booza friend knows my lisence plate by heart!, Sorry!
ive owned a 06 zx14, 08 Booza, and now a 09 zx14, you can go ahead and call me a liar, 280 lbs on a zx14 will "not" out run 180 lbs on a gen II Booza. sorry
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