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posted March 31, 2010 07:45 PM
i wasn't going to share this
i purchased a 09 connie 14 motor . man.. the goodies i found in there . just don't know yet how much will interchange . but it has a cool 6 spring clutch set-up and 10.7;1 pistons bore and stroke is the same but the pistons have more deck height and is dished like turbo piston . going to check gear ratios . the head has several oil lines that a zx14 doesn't .but going to get a better look at it tomorrow ..
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posted March 31, 2010 07:58 PM
Cool, keep us posted on what you find!
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posted March 31, 2010 08:14 PM
The oil lines are for the V V T i believe ..6 spring clutch Hummmmmmmmmmm this could be good ..
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posted March 31, 2010 08:16 PM
Wow a 6 spring clutch? Cool! I wonder if the plates are different or if it runs more plates in it?
Great stuff! Keep us posted for sure. 
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posted March 31, 2010 09:12 PM
the tranny is wide ratio, and the cases do not interchange at all. I would imagine the trans gears will fit on the zx14 shafts though,
keep us updated.... hey maybe you should have been boosting dads bike!
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posted March 31, 2010 09:17 PM
tranny is wide ratio..... That would work good for a turbo bike ... 10 .1 pistons would be great for boost ..I would think the V VT would also be good as you would keep some bottom end TQ ...
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posted March 31, 2010 09:18 PM
How would the gearbox even work? Isn't the Connie a shaft drive setup? I figure the insides would be very different.
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posted March 31, 2010 09:29 PM
If you can chain drive a vmax you can chain drive a connie...
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posted March 31, 2010 09:39 PM
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If you can chain drive a vmax you can chain drive a connie...
I haven't seen either of those, i cant imagine it being easy either. I guess anything is possible with money in hand.
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posted March 31, 2010 09:51 PM
people have been building chain drive vmax drag bikes for 2 decades now. it's not very practical... but it's doable.
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posted April 01, 2010 02:53 AM
I guy in the UK has a "insne" V Max chain drive, Super Charger. Big money, pit hand machine parts etc.
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posted April 01, 2010 02:56 AM
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I would think the V VT would also be good as you would keep some bottom end TQ ...
i don't think it can be used on a zx14 without the ecu and wire harness .. the head has 2 cam positioning sensors .. and i don't know whats it tech name is ..but theres and oil regulator of some kind on the side of head to regulate the oil pressure to the VVT clutch which it has a electic plug in it . if the ecu does'nt control it then all a man need to get the VVT to work is the oil pan cause it has the oil feed line to the VVT . But once the oil pan removed it looks just like the zx14 inside
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posted April 01, 2010 03:04 AM
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How would the gearbox even work? Isn't the Connie a shaft drive setup? I figure the insides would be very different.
the insides look a whole lot alike ..just the output and input shafts are differant in looks .. the clutch input shaft on the gtr14 has a longer shaft and longer splines .. the output is not recessed out for a sprocket but the splines are same as a zx14 output shaft .. the gtr14 just has a hub in stead of a sprocket . the chain cover bolts holes have been bored to 6mm thread instead of 4mm but all the bolt holes line up .. the gtr14 has an oil pressure port and a return port also for the shaft housing ..
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posted April 01, 2010 03:19 AM
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Wow a 6 spring clutch? Cool! I wonder if the plates are different or if it runs more plates in it?
Great stuff! Keep us posted for sure.
this clutch in the gtr14 has me excited .. because the 1st thing i notice was when i pulled the slave cylinder on the shaft drive housing was the thicker push rod . then when i removed the clutch cover and found the 6 clutch springsand 6 bolts .. i go hmmmmm then when i pulled the inner hubs ..yes 2 inner hubs and a washer type pressure spring set -up.. its beginning to look like some kind of traction control set-up to me .. this clutch looks almost like a busa clutch except theres no slipper hub in the back .. and this has a 2 piece inner hub
but looking at outer hub of the 08 -09 zx14 the outer hub looks the same....i didn't take a plate count yet .. but i think the gtr14 has less plates and the clutch spring are short like busa springs
found the gear ratios to the gtr14 Gear Ratio 1st 3.333 (50/15) 2nd 2.415 (41/17) 3rd 1.900 (38/20) 4th 1.545 (34/22) 5th 1.292 (31/24) 6th 1.074 (29/27)
zx14 gear ratio 1st 2.625 (42/16) 2nd 1.947 (37/19) 3rd 1.545 (34/22) 4th 1.333 (32/24) 5th 1.154 (30/26) 6th 1.036 (29/28)
ohhhhh thats nice .. 2nd gear on a connie matches 1st gear on a zx14 . so that connie tranny must be 1 pulling mofo
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posted April 01, 2010 04:32 AM
9 clutch fibers and the cam chain tensionor has no oring but a gasket
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posted April 01, 2010 05:30 AM
During our tech day in Irvine when the new Connie came out I remember them talking about the back-torque limiting device installed on the bike, they were cautious about calling it a slipper clutch.
That engine & bike has a ton of high tech features, the VVT is simple and effective. I'd love to have one with a spare saddlebag set up for a nitrous bottle, an old guy like me could have some fun!
QUOTE: it's beginning to look like some kind of traction control set-up to me..
The '10 Connie does have traction control available.
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posted April 01, 2010 05:41 AM
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During our tech day in Irvine when the new Connie came out I remember them talking about the back-torque limiting device installed on the bike, they were cautious about calling it a slipper clutch.
That engine & bike has a ton of high tech features, the VVT is simple and effective. I'd love to have one with a spare saddlebag set up for a nitrous bottle, an old guy like me could have some fun!
QUOTE: it's beginning to look like some kind of traction control set-up to me..
The '10 Connie does have traction control available.
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Clutch in my '10 Connie works far better on the downshifts than my slipper clutches in my 600RR and R1 EVER did. I wrote it off as a massively heavier bike but always noticed it.
This thread explains it 
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posted April 01, 2010 06:51 AM
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tranny is wide ratio..... That would work good for a turbo bike ... 10 .1 pistons would be great for boost ..I would think the V VT would also be good as you would keep some bottom end TQ ...
My exact thoughts.
Northern and I spoke of this a few months ago, when he picked one up.
I really think the connie gears will very likely fit the 14 shafts, and cases, this really piqued my interest.
I was poking fun, but wasn't joking when I said we might be boosting the wrong bike.
How much more compression height on the pistons Robert?
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posted April 01, 2010 05:09 PM
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How much more compression height on the pistons Robert?
the pistons are dish shaped and by eye ball looking at a zx14 piston and a gtr14 piston side by side around .010 more from top ring to top of piston .. i agree with you that turbo is on the wrong bike .. but hey after the mtc junk i had to find something .. i wish stroke would have been differant with shorter rods
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posted April 01, 2010 05:12 PM
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That engine & bike has a ton of high tech features, the VVT is simple and effective. I'd love to have one with a spare saddlebag set up for a nitrous bottle, an old guy like me could have some fun!
Dan
hey dan can you tell me how the VVT works .. does it have to have an ECU to operate correctly ..
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posted April 01, 2010 05:14 PM
This thread delivers right Stevie???
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posted April 01, 2010 05:27 PM
I NEED A PDF MANUAL for the connie to learn about the VVT
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posted April 01, 2010 06:37 PM
6 spring clutch would solve a lot of lock up problems! i bet a busa snowflake could be made to work
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posted April 02, 2010 05:08 AM
1badzx12r.......
Here's the best info I can dig up, hope this helps.
The oil passages are through the cam bearing journal, the first one on the intake camshaft. There are two holes in the first journal that align with two ports in the camshaft; the two ports in the camshaft feed toward the center of the cam and there are holes drilled in from the end that intersect them. The holes out the end of the camshaft align with holes in the [camshaft advance motor backplate] and feed each side of the vane motor (respectively, one on each side for advance / retard). The solenoid and oil flow control valve are located on the right side of the head; there are piston holes bored into the head that cross a pair of holes that are part of the oil galley that specifically feed those journals on the camshaft.
So in operation, when cam advance is called for, the ECU shifts the VVT valve to (we will call it) position 1. Oil flows up through the first cam bearing cap, around the cam bearing and also into a hole in the cam, then out the end of the cam and into the hydraulic advance motor. The other side of the VVT valve opens so that the 'back' side of the hydraulic motor can vent oil down into the crankcase. To retard the cam timing, the VVT valve goes into position 2 and the two hydraulic motor connections are reversed. It is just like reversing the voltage direction on a brush commutated motor- it just goes the other way. When the desired advance is reached, the VVT valve goes back to position 0 where both sides of the hydraulic motor are closed and the advance vane motor is locked into whatever particular position it is in at that moment.
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posted April 02, 2010 07:10 AM
the trans will fit but you have to use the connie input that is longer then the zx. the zx output shaft gets rid of the driveshaft setup. the clutch inner hub is heavier with a lot more pieces then the zx I dont think its the plan for racing. the vvt might be okay on the connie but not on the zx. the cams are smaller and not the same as the zx. if you look at the trans ratio the connie trans 4th gear is the same as the zx 3rd gear. cases wont work bolt holes are wrong sizes and there is no spot to put the output shaft seal.
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