kawboy81
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posted March 26, 2010 01:33 PM
Timing Advance
Do the Muzzy timing advances actually do anything for this bike? I read that the ecu already advances, retards timing, so how will it affect a "manual" trigger? Do any of you use them? If so any noticeable gains, throttle responce etc?
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THEMADKAW
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posted March 26, 2010 03:51 PM
i have one, only have @2* advance in it now though, when i put it in i didn't have a pc so i didnt want to go too far, but it is noticable to me, it won't kick ya in the butt but it is noticable, think i'll try 5 now that i have a pc.
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posted March 26, 2010 04:12 PM
You need to get the Ivans Performance Dynojet Ignition module to have the timing advanced. He has them already preloaded with a perfect ignition map already. Just buy one from him and plug & play !!!! Definately will see a difference !!!
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JDC
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posted March 26, 2010 04:13 PM
-6 with 7 PSI... I sure hope it's doing it's job.
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LAB3
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posted March 26, 2010 04:55 PM
I was told if use a TRE to cure the pop on decell the advancer at 4 degrees advance gives it more mid range power that the TRE takes away..
so I tried one of Ivans maps made for all and a 4/2/1 taper head pipe exhaust.
Smooth and fast for a street map. I always use 93 pump gas too. Also have Muzzy map
made for TRE and advancer and flies out. Ivans map pulled better doing roll on's.
My guess a Dyno tune here where I ride is best.
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LAB3
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posted March 26, 2010 04:57 PM
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i have one, only have @2* advance in it now though, when i put it in i didn't have a pc so i didnt want to go too far, but it is noticable to me, it won't kick ya in the butt but it is noticable, think i'll try 5 now that i have a pc.
Muzzy and Ivan say +4 for stock engine and TRE. Use 92 or 93 pump gas if you can.
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SixSixoh6
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posted March 26, 2010 07:43 PM
i got one, set at 2 degrees advance right now. spoke to dave at muzzys and he said the 14 loved timing. suggested putting 4-5 degrees in
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LAB3
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posted March 26, 2010 08:12 PM
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i got one, set at 2 degrees advance right now. spoke to dave at muzzys and he said the 14 loved timing. suggested putting 4-5 degrees in
Dave Turner is who I got a map from last year for a M14 and all my mod's......look at Ivans site and find dyno charts....shows stock with and with out advancer and where it helped.
guess they have added 1 degree... :-) I have the Ivan map for a Yosh stepped head pipe 4/2/1
and it works great on Muzzy M14 with same design. Tried the Brocks street map to from my other friends SMEG. Ivans map works the best for roll on's here in Fort Worth, about 700 feet above sea level. Need to have a Dyno tune done and see what changes they make.
Sure is smooth down low and pulls hard with no flat spots and any RPM. So I have not spent the $ and just ride it :-) keep 92 pump or better if you can get it with 5 degrees advance.
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kawboy81
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posted March 27, 2010 09:19 AM
I was askin cuz my buddy with a 08 lime green 14 put one on his, at +4 it wouldn't fire, had to back it down to +2 to get it to crank. What's up with that?
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SixSixoh6
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posted March 27, 2010 09:46 AM
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I was askin cuz my buddy with a 08 lime green 14 put one on his, at +4 it wouldn't fire, had to back it down to +2 to get it to crank. What's up with that?
well each line represents 5 degrees depending on which way you turn it..he didnt turn it 4 dashes did he?
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gilberjj
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posted March 27, 2010 10:05 AM
haha..... that's what I was thinking, he probably did +8 thinking it was +4
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kawboy81
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posted March 27, 2010 10:21 AM
That's probally exactly what he did lol. I ask and find out. So it need to b right before the first dash then?
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speedgene
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posted March 27, 2010 10:23 AM
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at +4 it wouldn't fire, had to back it down to +2 to get it to crank. What's up with that?
Hall Effect. Look it up. Do this instead. Install the stock tone wheel and find TDC. Look at the leg and the pickup magnet. Match the leg at the pickup pin and advance from there. That one [tone wheel] leg, cannot move too far away from the [pickup] pin or the Hall Effect will not start the bike you are way off the 'wave' hose, seen your.
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LAB3
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posted March 27, 2010 10:25 AM
Each dash line is about one degree wide, so we almost moved the advance to the first 5 degreet mark. +4 Someday I want to degree the cams but pulling the cams and installing slotted sprockets is a pain and usually not worth the hassle for a street bike with low miles.
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LAB3
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posted March 27, 2010 10:28 AM
 Edited By: LAB3 on 27 Mar 2010 18:33
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at +4 it wouldn't fire, had to back it down to +2 to get it to crank. What's up with that?
Hall Effect. Look it up. Do this instead. Install the stock tone wheel and find TDC. Look at the leg and the pickup magnet. Match the leg at the pickup pin and advance from there. That one [tone wheel] leg, cannot move too far away from the [pickup] pin or the Hall Effect will not start the bike you are way off the 'wave' hose, seen your.
Hall Effect?? OK Hub I will bite. Please explain....regular english would be Very nice Sir :-)
Your explaination makes for a better read. :-)
Edit: Looked it up.........ummmmmm I should have know this term.
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kawboy81
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posted March 27, 2010 10:36 AM
Yea he totally threw me too hahah. Hall effect, " you are way off the wave hose, seen your" WHAT!!!
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speedgene
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posted March 27, 2010 10:53 AM
Edited By: speedgene on 27 Mar 2010 18:54
Wave Form Library = You want to get heavy writing down what worked and watt not worked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtqeOYNgn8A Will put most to sleep. More at the end of the vid is the theory of many theories to tone waving.
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SixSixoh6
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posted March 27, 2010 10:54 AM
that is espanol for those that cant translate!! LMAO
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