oilfieldtrash
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posted March 11, 2010 03:08 PM
Went to the dyno tuner today!!!!
I have a Brock's alienhead full exhaust, flies out, K&N filter, power commander3. I was using the map I got from Brock's performance. As you can see from this pic the Brock's map was pretty close. The red is my bike with the Brock's map and the blue is my bike after the dyno tuning was completed. :clap As you can see I got a 3hp bump on max horsepower but it gained horsepower everywhere through the rpm range.
He told me his dyno usually runs lower than most guy's dynos because most dyno guys like to fudge with the dynos so they put out high numbers. He says it's a scam to sell more dynotunes. If one guy tells you he got you 10hp from a dyno you are going to be alot more happy than if the dyno is giving true numbers and you only see 5hp. He said his dyno is exactly the way he got it from Dynojet. He hasn't jacked with anything even though he could.
I went to Cycle Werkz in Fort Worth Texas. Scott is the dyno guy and he owns the place. He said my zx14 was right in line with all the 14's he sees with pipes and flies out. I appreciate his honesty and I'm happy with the map I got. It feels alot more crisp and pulls with authority. I love it!!!
Heres my bike on the dyno.
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posted March 11, 2010 03:19 PM
Wheelie said this was a good shop. How much was the dyno tune?
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posted March 11, 2010 03:24 PM
told ya, Scott Crawford isnt a fake tuner. I would have run the oem filter over the k$n
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oilfieldtrash
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posted March 11, 2010 03:28 PM
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Wheelie said this was a good shop. How much was the dyno tune?
Louis
$257 OTD.
I'm very happy!!!!
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posted March 11, 2010 03:34 PM
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Wheelie said this was a good shop. How much was the dyno tune?
Louis
$257 OTD.
I'm very happy!!!!
was Scott careful with you bike, no damage to the paint? I watched him very close on my 14, he was very respective of it, very gentle removing and installing the plastics
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oilfieldtrash
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posted March 11, 2010 03:37 PM
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Wheelie said this was a good shop. How much was the dyno tune?
Louis
$257 OTD.
I'm very happy!!!!
was Scott careful with you bike, no damage to the paint? I watched him very close on my 14, he was very respective of it, very gentle removing and installing the plastics
wee
Yeah he was very careful with the bike. I watched him like a hawk because I'm anal about my bike. I'm really impressed with him and his shop. If anything comes up on the 14 I don't think I can handle I'm going to him.
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oilfieldtrash
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posted March 14, 2010 09:03 AM
Is this normal gains when you get a bike dynotuned? If so why don't you guys recommend dynotuning more over just using the Brocks maps? In some places there was some good gains.
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posted March 14, 2010 09:10 AM
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Is this normal gains when you get a bike dynotuned? If so why don't you guys recommend dynotuning more over just using the Brocks maps? In some places there was some good gains.
Take it to the track ....Run both maps and you will find out why we use Brocks maps ..HP on the dyno is HP on the dyno ... The track tells a hole different story ..
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posted March 14, 2010 09:42 AM
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Is this normal gains when you get a bike dynotuned? If so why don't you guys recommend dynotuning more over just using the Brocks maps? In some places there was some good gains.
Take it to the track ....Run both maps and you will find out why we use Brocks maps ..HP on the dyno is HP on the dyno ... The track tells a hole different story ..
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posted March 14, 2010 10:46 AM
there was another thread talking about the ram air efficiency or lack thereof, but the fact that the brock maps add more gas on the big end than the dyno maps and continue to increase performance shows that the ram air is doing something positive.
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posted March 14, 2010 10:47 AM
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there was another thread talking about the ram air efficiency or lack thereof, but the fact that the brock maps add more gas on the big end than the dyno maps and continue to increase performance shows that the ram air is doing something positive.
The difference is that on the dyno the airbox is far below ambient. The 14 ram air does bring the airbox closer to ambient, and it does it quickly. It just never builds high pressure above ambient...which is why it is lacking for top speed use. The bike also has pressure sensors for ambient and in the box. This allows to compensate for changes in the box pressurization. However, it is not always perfect.
If you look at the dyno charts above, you can see that for whatever reason, the Brock map is leaner on top. I imagine that is a Brock's street map?? That is not ideal for dragstrip performance. Even Brock will tell you that you want to to see richer than that at the track. Brock told me that 12.7 under load would work well, but give low dyno readings.
If anything, the above charts show that no two bikes are alike. That is why there is a market for custom mapping, and the new closed-loop type systems. I do agree that for 90% of the riders out there, you would be hard pressed to improve on Brock's maps. But there is always room for improvement if you take your bike to the right tuner.
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oilfieldtrash
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posted March 14, 2010 10:58 AM
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there was another thread talking about the ram air efficiency or lack thereof, but the fact that the brock maps add more gas on the big end than the dyno maps and continue to increase performance shows that the ram air is doing something positive.
I'm not getting your point. Was it a good thing for me to get it dynotuned or do you think the Brocks map is better?
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posted March 14, 2010 11:02 AM
the maxton map added even more fuel on the big end to compensate for that need and they got a few extra mph out of it.
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posted March 14, 2010 11:07 AM
Shane661 do you think I got a good tune from looking at the charts? Was it a good idea?
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posted March 14, 2010 11:11 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 14 Mar 2010 19:20
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Shane661 do you think I got a good tune from looking at the charts? Was it a good idea?
It looks pretty good to me. 
For racing conditions, the Brock map you were running was somewhat lean on top (13.5:1 a/f). In general, most racing maps are set up richer than that. You should see an improvement with your new map, under high rpm racing conditions. That being said, I went 211 mph on a Brock's racing map. 
I don't think it was a "bad" idea to have your bike tuned. If you like the way the bike runs now, then it is worth it. Will it run better than the Brock's map for your type of riding? Well, I can't be the judge of that...only you can say by riding the bike. 
Don't worry about it too much. The tune looks plenty safe. Ride the bike and enjoy it!!
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posted March 14, 2010 11:12 AM
I feel your tune is good but it would have been just as good with brocks map and you would still have 257.00. what they are trying to tell you is brocks map may have been 3 hp down on the dyno but the one you have now might be 2 or 3 mph and a .10 slower at the track or it might not be.
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posted March 14, 2010 11:12 AM
The dyno loooks great.They all think brock can do no wrong here so dont ask.Remember they all drag race here.
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posted March 14, 2010 11:14 AM
Sounds good. As soon as I can get some time off work I plan on putting in some saddle time. Thanks.
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posted March 14, 2010 11:15 AM
Not me I just like 257.00 dollars to much to not run a brocks map when they are great. but hey it's not my money.
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posted March 14, 2010 11:17 AM
i ride my bike mostly on the street (just ask anyone lol) and the brock maps are flawless. I have the dynojet lcd and have all of them loaded and can switch on the fly. the street map gets the best mileage, all appear to be a little fat for the street but run great. i run the track map mostly. my bike has nearly 14000 miles on it and runs as good as new, so i would say the brock maps at least are a safe bet.
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posted March 14, 2010 11:28 AM
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there was another thread talking about the ram air efficiency or lack thereof, but the fact that the brock maps add more gas on the big end than the dyno maps and continue to increase performance shows that the ram air is doing something positive.
I'm not getting your point. Was it a good thing for me to get it dynotuned or do you think the Brocks map is better?
my point is that the dyno gives you a starting point, and further tweaking at the track improves on the mapping for real world performance. (that is how they came up with the brock maps) the other thing is that most guys running the maps here in florida couldn't get any significant gains from changing out from the brock maps. if you are at high altitude or some other special conditions a custom tune for your locale may be appropriate. just my 
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posted March 14, 2010 11:36 AM
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The dyno loooks great.They all think brock can do no wrong here so dont ask.Remember they all drag race here.
and who knows real world engine performance better than drag racers?
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posted March 14, 2010 01:22 PM
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there was another thread talking about the ram air efficiency or lack thereof, but the fact that the brock maps add more gas on the big end than the dyno maps and continue to increase performance shows that the ram air is doing something positive.
I'm not getting your point. Was it a good thing for me to get it dynotuned or do you think the Brocks map is better?
my point is that the dyno gives you a starting point, and further tweaking at the track improves on the mapping for real world performance. (that is how they came up with the brock maps) the other thing is that most guys running the maps here in florida couldn't get any significant gains from changing out from the brock maps. if you are at high altitude or some other special conditions a custom tune for your locale may be appropriate. just my
I agree. A good map for Fort Worth (700 feet) is crap in the mountains at 3000 feet above sea level. I need to install the two Bazzaz boxs I purchased new from Lyle that stores two maps. And will remap on the fly.
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posted March 14, 2010 02:14 PM
Some of my winter mods were the Alien Head and Brock's street map and I must say it runs likea champ. I'm very happy wit his map and my friends that rode my bike and raced against me so far are impressed also.
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posted March 14, 2010 03:14 PM
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Some of my winter mods were the Alien Head and Brock's street map and I must say it runs likea champ. I'm very happy wit his map and my friends that rode my bike and raced against me so far are impressed also.
+1 here, new to the alien head myself and the brocks street map/ alienhead system feels a little stronger then the full muzzy system i have, cant wait to put the race map in and get her to the track
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