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posted March 01, 2010 02:57 PM
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You can't even come close to using stock power/gearing on the street as it is...if you think you are...you are fooling yourself. There is already too much power available for street surfaces/tires. Mere mortals as we are are NOT GP gods like we think we are....
And if you try to use all the power on the street and with tires not designed for the application the rear tire will break loose and you'll slide off the road.
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posted March 01, 2010 03:24 PM
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You can't even come close to using stock power/gearing on the street as it is...if you think you are...you are fooling yourself. There is already too much power available for street surfaces/tires. Mere mortals as we are are NOT GP gods like we think we are....
And if you try to use all the power on the street and with tires not designed for the application the rear tire will break loose and you'll slide off the road.
that is why your statement of regearing is sorta absurd....sure it makes for much easier wheelies (at slower speeds), but that's about the only gain/advantage you will get with regearing.
Even at stock gearing, high rpms in lower gears will just result in tire spin or wheelie and subsequent throttle reduction...regearing just makes that all happen sooner. no advantage there.
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posted March 01, 2010 05:43 PM
low rpm with the gears makes better power. LOW rpm its simple I did it and it simply works better.
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posted March 01, 2010 07:21 PM
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The stock suspension dosent need any money spent on it but it does need some tweeks depending many factors ( weight how and where you ride).the gearing has nothing to do with overall hp,it has to do with making the bike pull harder out of the turns at a lower rpm and when you ride in the tight suff like we do here on the coast thats what works best.The stock gearing is really way to high for that app.On the 06 and 07 the fys out helps much not on the 08-or later.this subject has been killed to death.people will fight over this subject. just look at the dyno sheet before and after the flys out.If its an 08 or later its not worth doing after the pc and a dyno tune.If you ride the twistys do the whole fly thing then change the gearing you will notice that the rpms come up so much faster that the flys become a non issue in or out.
the stock suspension dosent need any work? are you freaking kidding me???? Are you really that much of a book nerd???
Gearing- you say stock is way to high for it's app. Isn't a 1000 geared a lot higher? Or at least close to the same with less tq? There is nothing wrong with stock gearing for all around riding.
You are still the only person that thinks a free mod that gains hp is not worth it. How fucking stupid. Period.
And yes it IS a free mod bc if you have a exhaust you need a power commander.
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posted March 01, 2010 07:46 PM
zxrider11 can I borrow that sweet JAS screwdriver to pull my flies. I will return it after I'm done. Unless you want to sell it. Email me at epd345@yahoo.com if you want to pass it along
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posted March 01, 2010 08:03 PM
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posted March 02, 2010 04:23 AM
Here is the link to the JIS screwdriver:
Shipping only took 2 days.
I am in Michigan, if anyone wants to borrow it.
http://www.ikaswebshop.com/hodjis2dr12s.html
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posted March 02, 2010 10:33 AM
636 your confused again.I said for the twistys the stock suspension needs to be tweeked not changed.It works fine for track days and twistys with some work.not drag racing.Book nerd? I started riding in 1974 and know how to road race large bikes like the 14 and thats the challenge for me.The few guys that run the 14 at track day and on the coast ALL have made gearing changes.The 14 gears are way to tall for tight stuff and track days.When it comes to this application you are simply cofused.You drag race and dont know much about trying to road race a large bike like the 14.When you say something like the 14 gearing is fine it shows your intellect on the subject of road racing.In fact most use diffrent gears for diffrent tracks so in fact the stock gears is not ok.You could not give a stock set of gears away for the hard core twisty guys like myself.Also for those that dont like the noise of the aftermarket pipes and like the stock pipes for the street though they be few the fly removal is anything but free.new pc with a dyno will set you back at least 500 large and will only do a little bellow 4gs and who rides bellow 4gs with the throttle rolled on?? make sense now?
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posted March 02, 2010 11:05 AM
I can see at the road courses where different gearing is a must for sure.
You are using much higher rpms on the track then you would be using on the street and the need for more range is a must.
In the canyons and mountain roads I wouldn't gear my bike down cause I keep the rpms down when it gets tight,
the front end floats or better than floats too easy in the turn or coming out of the turn as it is .
I think its the way my bike is set up , cause I've ridden 14's with full systems and their power comes on
much much smoother and the power is way up higher in the power band and I don't have as big a problem as with mine pulling the front wheel off the ground in turns .
Mine has slip-ons and the power is strong way down low and up to the midrange. Perfect for coming out of the turns 
I couldn't imagine what she would be like geared down lol!
But I can understand how different bikes and different setups as well as what the bike is being used for would require some gearing work .
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posted March 02, 2010 12:01 PM
True intimida2or.
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posted March 02, 2010 12:31 PM
Most have different riding styles, applications that they use their 14, and needed adjustments to address the difference. NO question, pulling the Flys, getting a PCIII/PCV(with map supplied or Dyno) will increase HP and torque!
IMHO- gearing lower will get you out the hole faster and make the bike a bit jerky on low rpms. To each his own but I have enjoyed my enhancements of full exhaust system, removing flys, PCIII, getting quiality tires, gearing a bit lower, and speedo healer to compensate the speedometer change.
Someone on this board loves Dunlop Road Smart tires but I will never make that mistake of purchasing that tire again. I just installed my Pilot Power tire and the bike pulls hard with no tire spinning but even stretched 63 1/2 inches the bike will raise upon hard excelleration. I love it!
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posted March 02, 2010 12:44 PM
Those are nice mods that will work well.The problem is that some who ride many miles in a day prefer a more quiet 14 and choose the stock heavy cans on the non track days in that case the fly mod is not free like they keep saying because they wont sell you the map without the pipes and the maps online suck for the most part so then you will need a dyno after you buy the pc.500 at least.
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posted March 02, 2010 12:58 PM
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Those are nice mods that will work well.The problem is that some who ride many miles in a day prefer a more quiet 14 and choose the stock heavy cans on the non track days in that case the fly mod is not free like they keep saying because they wont sell you the map without the pipes and the maps online suck for the most part so then you will need a dyno after you buy the pc.500 at least.
Very true zx14fan! You must spend some $$ for the hardware. I think the statement of "costing nothing" is in referrence to the labor and knowledge acquired here on the site
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posted March 02, 2010 01:24 PM
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636 your confused again.I said for the twistys the stock suspension needs to be tweeked not changed.It works fine for track days and twistys with some work.not drag racing.Book nerd? I started riding in 1974 and know how to road race large bikes like the 14 and thats the challenge for me.The few guys that run the 14 at track day and on the coast ALL have made gearing changes.The 14 gears are way to tall for tight stuff and track days.When it comes to this application you are simply cofused.You drag race and dont know much about trying to road race a large bike like the 14.When you say something like the 14 gearing is fine it shows your intellect on the subject of road racing.In fact most use diffrent gears for diffrent tracks so in fact the stock gears is not ok.You could not give a stock set of gears away for the hard core twisty guys like myself.Also for those that dont like the noise of the aftermarket pipes and like the stock pipes for the street though they be few the fly removal is anything but free.new pc with a dyno will set you back at least 500 large and will only do a little bellow 4gs and who rides bellow 4gs with the throttle rolled on?? make sense now?
I ride an '08 with flies IN and usually just streetride the majority of the time; but I do get some track days in occasionally, the gearing is definitely one of the first things to change for any track on these 14's since these are some long-ass geared machines -- Mid Ohio in Lexington is 'snug-turned' enough to accommodate 2 up on the rear and 1 down on the front and STILL have plenty of gallop left for the straightaways -- suspension on the other hand really isn't too hateful for road courses, I find it fairly user friendly and sets up well enough to play around and get some good laps out of without dumping $1000's into some radical aftermarkets........and my last track bike was a yzf1000 fitted with full Ohlins, so that's saying something about Kaw suspension setups right there -- It's just every owners going to have a different scenario with setup vs feel vs application when it comes down to it. We're all going to have our own rides set like WE like 'em!!
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posted March 02, 2010 02:23 PM
Down gearing 1 tooth in front is great for the twisty track & canyons for me . I am able to keep it in a good third gear RPM position more.
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posted March 02, 2010 02:26 PM
I don't have a problem with front end float with the long wheel base & proper body position.
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posted March 02, 2010 03:23 PM
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It's just every owners going to have a different scenario with setup vs feel vs application when it comes down to it. We're all going to have our own rides set like WE like 'em!!
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posted March 02, 2010 03:34 PM
I ran my bike for 10k with no flies and no pc3 but I was mindful of the lean spike from 3-4k rpms.
Superman... how are you having wheelie problems on the street with those slick ass 2ct's? I'm 63", 16/46 gearing with a smeg and u-soft, and all my bike does on the street is blow the tire off in the first 3 gears. Are you barely geared any lower? And riding at stock height?
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posted March 02, 2010 03:40 PM
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I ran my bike for 10k with no flies and no pc3 but I was mindful of the lean spike from 3-4k rpms.
Superman... how are you having wheelie problems on the street with those slick ass 2ct's? I'm 63",
16/46 gearing with a smeg and u-soft, and all my bike does on the street is blow the tire off in the first
3 gears. Are you barely geared any lower? And riding at stock height?
My dads Blue 14 has over 45K on her odo with slip-ons , Flies out , and no pc.
She's strong at 165hp and 0 problems 
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posted March 02, 2010 03:43 PM
She passes all the tests , like plugs look grear every time, compression is perfect, valves and pistons look with the boroscope.
So yes . Flies out for me was free HP 
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posted March 02, 2010 04:17 PM
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She passes all the tests , like plugs look grear every time, compression is perfect, valves and pistons look with the boroscope.
So yes . Flies out for me was free HP
THANK YOU. Glad I'm not the only one that sees this.
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posted March 02, 2010 04:57 PM
I said it all along...
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posted March 03, 2010 11:29 AM
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She passes all the tests , like plugs look grear every time, compression is perfect, valves and pistons look with the boroscope.
So yes . Flies out for me was free HP
THANK YOU. Glad I'm not the only one that sees this.
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