SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 12:27 PM
ooooh Sh*t!!
So I finally got my bike to where I can run it for the first time in months just to see how the new exhaust sounds...and what lovely noise do I hear when it starts?? A VERY loud tapping coming from top end. This is all I have changed on it so far
APE manual cam tensioner
Full exhaust (its not a leak I'm sure)
Smog plates
Removed rubber insulation
Muzzy timing plate
I hope to jesus christo its just the adjustment on the tensioner..anyone else have this issue? Shane??
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Compton
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posted February 09, 2010 12:30 PM
how did you set the tension for the cam chain?
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kawasakijockey
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posted February 09, 2010 12:43 PM
Are you sure it isnt an exhaust leak? They will sound just like a valve tick.
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 01:30 PM
I set it according to the direction on the back of the package. Rotate engine until you feel the cam tensioner contact parts(guide rollers chain) then back off a 1/4 turn.
Its louder than a valve tick..I guess ill just have to double check..I didn't want it to run long like that, just hopin its a leak.
May just throw the auto tensioner back on to see if that's the cause
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Shane661
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posted February 09, 2010 01:39 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Feb 2010 21:39
I still have the auto tensioner, but an exhaust leak at the header will tap like hell.
Play it safe.
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 01:50 PM
For sure shane. I'm gonna put the auto tensioner back in and see what happens. I put new exhaust gaskets in when installing my exhaust.
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kawasakijockey
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posted February 09, 2010 02:01 PM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 9 Feb 2010 22:02
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For sure shane. I'm gonna put the auto tensioner back in and see what happens. I put new exhaust gaskets in when installing my exhaust.
But they can leak until you retighten them after a heat cycle. I hope that is the case.
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 02:24 PM
Yeah me too. As we speak I'm trying to adjust the manual one again...have the timing cover off and rotating the engine with my hand on the tensioner to "feel" when they're supposed to make contact. Had the damn thing damn near buried and "felt" nothing.
The auto tensioner isn't easy to get back in...
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madnessracing
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posted February 09, 2010 02:26 PM
Maybe the headers gaskets?
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 02:53 PM
Ended up being the chain tensioner....I'm going to stick to the auto. Eff APE
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 02:54 PM
And wouldn't ya know....the exhaust is sealed just fine!! No leaks at all, that damn tensioner was so loud I couldn't tell anyways
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LAB3
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posted February 09, 2010 03:31 PM
Bob carpenter sells a ZX-12 CCT modded that adapts to a 14. Does not use oil pressure :-)
I was going to replace but after a year it does not bother me as much when I start on cold engine. 1 second later all is quiet. APE makes good parts, used a manual CCT from them many years ago on FJ1200. Worked great street and Track Bike. Call them.
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 03:54 PM
LAB3 your chain makes noise on startup? maybe down the road whenever the auto one takes a shit ill throw on the manual one. until then ill stick with the auto.
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Shane661
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posted February 09, 2010 03:59 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 10 Feb 2010 00:00
Pretty much all of the 14's with oem tensioners make a little noise on startup. Mine certainly does.
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 04:02 PM
maybe mine just hasnt gotten around to that stage just yet...that or i dont notice it? bike has 3300 miles on it
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LAB3
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posted February 09, 2010 04:05 PM
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maybe mine just hasnt gotten around to that stage just yet...that or i dont notice it? bike has 3300 miles on it
Yours is one of the Few that is quiet. Lucky
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Shane661
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posted February 09, 2010 04:07 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 10 Feb 2010 00:08
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maybe mine just hasnt gotten around to that stage just yet...that or i dont notice it? bike has 3300 miles on it
Then there is definitely no reason to change the tensioner. Even if it did rattle a little on start, I wouldn't put a manual tensioner on it. There are instances where a manual is preferred, but this isn't one of them.
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JDC
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posted February 09, 2010 04:25 PM
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Are you sure it isnt an exhaust leak? They will sound just like a valve tick.
I agree
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 09, 2010 05:03 PM
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maybe mine just hasnt gotten around to that stage just yet...that or i dont notice it? bike has 3300 miles on it
Then there is definitely no reason to change the tensioner. Even if it did rattle a little on start, I wouldn't put a manual tensioner on it. There are instances where a manual is preferred, but this isn't one of them.
agreed. if it aint broke dont fix it. i was just under the impression from what APE describes, that the auto WILL fail sooner or later and then your cam chain will jump teeth and yadda yadda
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NINJA12
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posted February 10, 2010 08:56 PM
manual tensioner is great for the people that know how and when to adjust them.
Very is to cause yourself problem with it if you don't know what you are doing.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted February 11, 2010 08:00 AM
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Ended up being the chain tensioner....I'm going to stick to the auto. Eff APE
Wow that's surprising that you had the tensioner adjusted all the way and it was still making noise.
Almost sounds like the wrong part was shipped to you.
One of these days I'm gonna get a better cct than the stock one cause mine has a mind of its own.
It has been working flawless for quite a while now but a while back it had me thinking when it
decided to rattle after I took off to redline and stopped for the traffic light. And the bike was already warmed up and not rattling.
Also once in a blue moon she will rattle for a long time after startup before she quies down.
I hate that shit lol!
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 11, 2010 02:20 PM
Yeah its great for someone that wants to deal with it. I however don't. Its not worth the risk of messing with it anyways when the stock works just fine.
If you have one, and know how to adjust it, please shed light on it.
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Shane661
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posted February 11, 2010 02:25 PM
When it comes to installing a manual tensioner on a street bike without a history of oem tensioner failures...
I just keep asking....why???
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SixSixoh6
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posted February 11, 2010 02:41 PM
True. Maybe they used it as a selling point for their product. Obviously its a good one, my dumbass bought one
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