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posted January 05, 2010 06:40 PM
when my bike had it's flies in it would bog like a son of a bitch off the line and at about the tree it would hit 6k and turn into a unicycle lol. Since you have an 07, pulling the flies is a must. BTW, if you read brocks diaries you will see that the lean spike was very short and only at about 3500 rpms. I put 10k miles on bike with the fliesremoved and no pc3.The plugs still looked like brand new when i checked them. All i did was make sure that i didn't keep my bike between 32-3800 rpms for an extended period of time. If you're mindful of where your tach needle is you can get away with it.
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posted January 05, 2010 06:42 PM
+1 bawls
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posted January 05, 2010 06:44 PM
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when my bike had it's flies in it would bog like a son of a bitch off the line and at about the tree it would hit 6k and turn into a unicycle lol. Since you have an 07, pulling the flies is a must. BTW, if you read brocks diaries you will see that the lean spike was very short and only at about 3500 rpms. I put 10k miles on bike with the fliesremoved and no pc3.The plugs still looked like brand new when i checked them. All i did was make sure that i didn't keep my bike between 32-3800 rpms for an extended period of time. If you're mindful of where your tach needle is you can get away with it.
isnt that lean spot at wot? not cruising?
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posted January 05, 2010 06:51 PM
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when my bike had it's flies in it would bog like a son of a bitch off the line and at about the tree it would hit 6k and turn into a unicycle lol. Since you have an 07, pulling the flies is a must. BTW, if you read brocks diaries you will see that the lean spike was very short and only at about 3500 rpms. I put 10k miles on bike with the fliesremoved and no pc3.The plugs still looked like brand new when i checked them. All i did was make sure that i didn't keep my bike between 32-3800 rpms for an extended period of time. If you're mindful of where your tach needle is you can get away with it.
isnt that lean spot at wot? not cruising?
wee
If it is you shouldn't be WOT at 3800 rpms 
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posted January 05, 2010 07:06 PM
Thanks for all the advice. Looks like I've narrowed it down to brocks or muzzy full exhaust with flies out. I already picked up that PC off the classifieds and now searching for the pipes. It's an '07 btw. I'd rather have the pc installed just to be safe. Now which manufacturer? Brocks or Muzzy's? Take into consideration price, map support (I don't want to pay a pro tuner), performance.
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posted January 05, 2010 07:12 PM
im not a fan of the Muzzle, I like Ti Force, Akrapovic, Brocks, get what you want cause you will be 2nd guessing yourself buying what someone tells you to buy
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posted January 05, 2010 07:14 PM
If you don't want to pay $300-400 for someone to tune your bike, get a brocks. Hands down. People that tell you to buy brocks are people that have them and have had experience with other pipes and have delt with customer service from other compaines. They realize how hard Brock and his team works.
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posted January 05, 2010 07:31 PM
+1 on Brocks!
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posted January 05, 2010 07:32 PM
get the brocks street meg
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posted January 05, 2010 08:19 PM
I wouldn't have anything but a brocks.
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posted January 05, 2010 10:20 PM
Flies out definately.
If you dont know a good dyno shop or tuner go with Brocks.
I went a different route and glad I did.
The Tsukigi has thicker pipes and unreal welds.
Tsukigi has been building racing bikes in Japan since 1974.
I do everything EXCEPT drags with my bike.
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posted January 06, 2010 04:04 AM
A M14 Muzzy for $450.00 is a good deal. Ask Shane661 about a Muzzy M14. Great
street exhaust. The tapered head pipes and O2 threaded port is a + too.
If I was Drag racing only Brocks is hard to beat.
I had Muzzy slip on's, flies out and a PC3USB with a map from Jamie at Fuel Moto.
worked great.
I have tried 5 different maps now(2 were brocks) and my M14 sure is smooth with Ivans Performance
map for a Yoush full system. It's a little rich in the mountains but safe on engine and
smooth. A Yosh full system is a good street system too. I went thru what you are doing now
last year. Save the money and buy that used M14, I did from Shane last year, no regrets.
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posted January 06, 2010 07:33 AM
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A M14 Muzzy for $450.00 is a good deal. Ask Shane661 about a Muzzy M14. Great
street exhaust. The tapered head pipes and O2 threaded port is a + too.
If I was Drag racing only Brocks is hard to beat.
I had Muzzy slip on's, flies out and a PC3USB with a map from Jamie at Fuel Moto.
worked great.
I have tried 5 different maps now(2 were brocks) and my M14 sure is smooth with Ivans Performance
map for a Yoush full system. It's a little rich in the mountains but safe on engine and
smooth. A Yosh full system is a good street system too. I went thru what you are doing now
last year. Save the money and buy that used M14, I did from Shane last year, no regrets.
Louis
what map would you recommend for North Texas weather( I have a 07 and if I was to buy that m14 full). Hot as hell in the summer and mild winters.
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posted January 06, 2010 08:03 AM
I believe that lab lives near dallas.
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posted January 06, 2010 08:21 AM
I have an 07 and waited till last year to pull the flies… after doing it I spent the next 2 months kicking myself for not doing it sooner!
As for exhausts I picked up a new Yosh (CF) full system last year for 1600 CDN installed. I like the look of the pipe and the sound (with baffle out) and am not about to change it, but if there is one mod I would revisit it would be the pipe... I would have gone for the Brock simply for customer service. The Yosh map in my opinion is crap!
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posted January 06, 2010 08:22 AM
 Edited By: JDC on 6 Jan 2010 16:25
If you compare the HP/TQ from almost all after market pipes they all yield about the same HP/TQ gains once you have a computer and tune the bike correctly. BTW I have viewed likely over 500 dyno tunes directly or had the dynojet files, pre and post, and there is an about zero difference between most reasonable pipes in power gain when a bike is tuned correctly. Some produce a little more upper end HP, lower end TQ, a little better mid-range.. what-ever, but nothing marked. I suspect some folks may argue this, but most of these bikes come in so close to each other, HP/TQ wise, when dyno'd on the same dynos, it is just not funny. Yoshi's and other brands included. BTW Yoshi's are a pretty quiet pipe.
So I offer don't sweat the pipe issue so much, find one that has the auditory and visual appeal, and it will likely be one of the very many that do just fine. Tuning is the thing. Get a good tuner. 06 and 07 take the flies out. 08 and newer, leave'em in.
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posted January 06, 2010 08:52 AM
dyno is one thing... real world performance is another. When's the last time you've seen a yoshimura winning at the drag strip?
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posted January 06, 2010 08:55 AM
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A M14 Muzzy for $450.00 is a good deal. Ask Shane661 about a Muzzy M14. Great
street exhaust. The tapered head pipes and O2 threaded port is a + too.
If I was Drag racing only Brocks is hard to beat.
I had Muzzy slip on's, flies out and a PC3USB with a map from Jamie at Fuel Moto.
worked great.
I have tried 5 different maps now(2 were brocks) and my M14 sure is smooth with Ivans Performance
map for a Yoush full system. It's a little rich in the mountains but safe on engine and
smooth. A Yosh full system is a good street system too. I went thru what you are doing now
last year. Save the money and buy that used M14, I did from Shane last year, no regrets.
Louis
what map would you recommend for North Texas weather( I have a 07 and if I was to buy that m14 full). Hot as hell in the summer and mild winters.
Fort Worth the M14 Muzzy map was OK but I ride with 3 other 14's and all are geared the same. One is a Yosh from Ivans the other is a Brocks smeg. We do 60MPH roll on's in
2nd gear and shift a few times :-) this is how I judged which map. The Ivans map pulled better and is smooth thru out the RPM range. As I had posted on a thread about
Muzzy vs Brocks dyno test between several members here last year. the Muzzy edged out the street Brocks. This means nothing to me, dyno #s and what is happening on the street can be different. if you buy the used M14 email me I will send you several maps and you
see what you like. email labartay@verizon.net
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posted January 06, 2010 10:32 AM
bawls thats right. brocks says his maps dont produce the most peak hp, but are made to go the fastest.
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posted January 06, 2010 11:02 AM
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dyno is one thing... real world performance is another. When's the last time you've seen a yoshimura winning at the drag strip?
I've never seen it..
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posted January 06, 2010 11:18 AM
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dyno is one thing... real world performance is another. When's the last time you've seen a yoshimura winning at the drag strip?
I've never been to the drag strip, however, Yoshi, as well as other manufs, are on a large number of bikes I've seen that are 'team' bikes, while being tuned at the dyno. I'd like to see 'real world' where Yoshi, or for that fact any or most of the better aftermarket pipes have significant differences.
For my use of a dyno I am looking for best TTD.
I could always be wrong, but im my estimation and information base, for street use, which is the average user, a pipe does not make a significant difference, unless you get a poorly made/designed one.
I am not saying Yoshi is the better/best pipe, I am commenting on that it is on par with the normal pipe that is out for the 14, and will get the same or near the same HP/TQ as others.
Since you speak of racing, here is a track video. It is not drag. I'd suspect that most folks looking for drag use might go more opened up than a conventional exhaust. Least that is what I hear.
http://www.yoshimura-rd.com/video/preseason2010_hayden/tommyinterviewfinal.html
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posted January 06, 2010 11:39 AM
it will put near the same as a tsukigi/ first gen muzzys which were the standard when the bike first came out. Then brock made his pipe and destroyed the competition and muzzys followed with a stepped header as well. IMO yoshimura is an overpriced POS. My buddy paid 1200 bucks for a carbon R-77 system for his 08 busa and hates it with a passion. He's actually trying to get rid of it to buy a smeg as we speak lol.
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posted January 06, 2010 12:18 PM
most all Yoshi desighns is for the twisty track
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posted January 06, 2010 12:21 PM
+1 on the continued yoshi bashing  
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posted January 06, 2010 12:25 PM
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+1 on the continued yoshi bashing
I have a full Yoshi and dyno 15 more hp than this guys slip on's
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