NinjaNick
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'08 ZX14 (Blue)
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posted December 08, 2009 12:00 PM
I just used a battery charged impact driver, no air involved. I pushed the brake with my foot and leaned over the bike and used the impact in reverse, fwd, reverse, fwd, REVERSE, and it came off pretty easy. If you have to abuse the bike and use everything put on this earth than you're doing it wrong.
  
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JDC
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posted December 08, 2009 01:53 PM
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Hi Guys,
Any ideas ?????
I had the same types of issues, impact wrenches, etc, and could not budge it. took it to a local shop and it came off. Since then I make sure it is put on with the correct torque and that has solve that issue for the last 5 removals-reinstalls.
It was a real PITA.
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Beondwacko
Expert Class
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posted December 08, 2009 02:10 PM
The PO (previous owner) who's not only a truly stand up guy (he's on this forum somewhere { HI Dan !! } ) but he pretty meticulous about his wrenching. He was the wrencher who first mounted the 16t I have on there. I spoke to him about this while I was in the middle of things working on the bike and he mentioned that he torqued it to spec.
The shit I can't believe is that the rear brakes couldn't hold back the breaker bar with the pipe on it. Well it held well enough to break the socket at least.
So now it looks like the 16t will stay for the time being and either a 39 or a 40t Renthal will go out back. I hope if I mount a 39t sprocket that I'll still have at least a little adjustment left on the swing arm.
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08' Atomic Silver, PCIII, Brocks pipe,BMC, -1, strapped front end
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Beondwacko
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posted December 08, 2009 02:25 PM
Well ,
It looks like I'm out of luck with the renthal sprockets too. It seems that they don't make either a 39 or a 40t rear.
I don't know if I should trust vortex. I've heard some horror stories.
Suggestions on a good alloy manufacturer anyone that won't cost more than $110??
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08' Atomic Silver, PCIII, Brocks pipe,BMC, -1, strapped front end
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Shane661
Needs a life
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posted December 08, 2009 02:28 PM
Vortex are very good in my experience.
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INTIMIDA2OR
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RED rider!
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posted December 08, 2009 03:07 PM
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I bought an Ingersoll Rand impact with something like 1100 ft lbs. of reverse torque. Make sure you flatten that washer out completely, it will be near impossible to remove otherwise.
Shane
1100Ft lbs!? Don't be putting anything back on with that thing 
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'06 Passion Red ZX-14
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INTIMIDA2OR
Needs a life
RED rider!
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posted December 08, 2009 03:11 PM
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The PO (previous owner) who's not only a truly stand up guy (he's on this forum somewhere { HI Dan !! } ) but he pretty meticulous about his wrenching. He was the wrencher who first mounted the 16t I have on there. I spoke to him about this while I was in the middle of things working on the bike and he mentioned that he torqued it to spec.
The shit I can't believe is that the rear brakes couldn't hold back the breaker bar with the pipe on it. Well it held well enough to break the socket at least.
So now it looks like the 16t will stay for the time being and either a 39 or a 40t Renthal will go out back. I
hope if I mount a 39t sprocket that I'll still have at least a little adjustment left on the swing arm.
Just checking, but you did make sure you were trying to turn the nut counterclockwise correct?
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'06 Passion Red ZX-14
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INTIMIDA2OR
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RED rider!
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posted December 08, 2009 03:16 PM
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Make sure you flatten that washer out completely, it will be near impossible to remove otherwise.
Shane
+1
It really is unbelieveable how much just a little bit of that washer not being flat can make the thing feel like it's welded on!
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'06 Passion Red ZX-14
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SixSixoh6
Zone Head
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posted December 08, 2009 03:18 PM
geeze, he wasnt "meticulous" enough to put green loctite on it did he? some people do certain things thinking they wont get rid of the bike for a long time or the next owner will have to deal with it, yadda yadda...man if it has that stuff on it, you aint gettin it off.
i would only hope he didnt do that. i say this being as i use BLUE loctite on my swingarm extension allen head bolts, for my own peace of mind they dont back out. needless to say those were kind of hard getting off with just the blue stuff
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2006 ZX-14: Murdered out, in the dirt, extended, sprayed, air shifted, geared--GONE
2009 ZX-14 SE--has two wheels and an engine
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14nooby
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posted December 08, 2009 04:34 PM
I bet the dealer uses a special socket that has all 3 sizes on it. It is really not rocket science taking it off. All you do is unscrew the thing, with that why have so many people had such a hard time getting this nut off? Including me! At least I know that their are a few studs left in this world that got it off with ease or that had some magical power that me and others don't.
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eklipse636
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ZX-14
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posted December 08, 2009 04:41 PM
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Well ,
It looks like I'm out of luck with the renthal sprockets too. It seems that they don't make either a 39 or a 40t rear.
I don't know if I should trust vortex. I've heard some horror stories.
Suggestions on a good alloy manufacturer anyone that won't cost more than $110??
The only sprocket I have purchased was vortex and I have never had a problem with them in 5 years. And were not talking "daily driving" every mile has been rode hard. Vortex has been around a long time, and they didn't do that by making cheap sprockets.
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Best: 60ft 1.351 1/8 5.68 mph 123.98 1/4
8.89 mph 151.32
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eklipse636
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ZX-14
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posted December 08, 2009 04:42 PM
If your concerned, vortex makes a hardened sprocket that's solid black (that's what I have now) if that would help with piece of mind.
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Best: 60ft 1.351 1/8 5.68 mph 123.98 1/4
8.89 mph 151.32
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oldkawboy
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posted December 08, 2009 06:08 PM
sixsixoh6,
There is no locktite on that nut and I'm not the type of person you referred to as doing something and letting the next owner deal with it. Every person that has bought something from me knows the good, bad and the ugly of what I'm selling.
I take pride in what I own and am more concerned about my character than a sale.
Adam,
Sorry it's been such a pain, I sure don't understand why it's giving you such a fit.
I wouldn't be concerned about Vortex sprockets. Me and the boys have been running them for years without a problem.
Dan
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Newbusa
Zone Head
Posts: 542
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posted December 08, 2009 07:07 PM
Mine was nasty ass tight as well,I put a piece of lumber in rear wheel,Put into 1st gear,put socket on big breaker bar sat on bike and right foot on rear brake and used my left foot and pushed down on breaker bar and it came off.
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Ozonkiller
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posted December 08, 2009 08:37 PM
After swapping gears for The Texas Mile, I went thru the exact same scenario when going back to stock gearing. I borrowed a neighbors gunther impact gun and managed to get it off.
After scratching my head wondering WTF, I noticed in the manual that I should have used a bit of anti sieze.
"Hmmmmm", says I. I've never had a problem since.
Tom
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juanvaldex
Parking Attendant
Coffee junky.
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posted December 10, 2009 06:40 PM
 Edited By: juanvaldex on 11 Dec 2009 02:43
Use a dremel tool or a drill to split the sprocket nut on your shaft. just be careful near the threads. I used a dremel and made a notch on top of the nut and then used a SHARP cold chisel and hammer. had the same problem u are facing. used the biggest impact gun i could find. nut was locked solid on folding washer. dremel tool will work. use dremel to cut almost to the shaft. this will weaken the nuts hold. It should turn right off then. with a socket.
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Superman T
Pro
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posted December 11, 2009 12:00 PM
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Vortex are very good in my experience.
+1
got one on my 06 and I love it but my local dealer was bashing the brand when I was in the market of buying it. I would not trust some of the info you may hear at the dealership
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Superman T
Pro
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posted December 11, 2009 12:11 PM
One more recommendation, I bought Craftmans metric set from Sears and the 6 point socket worked like a charm! I also used an electric impact wrench with 800lbs of pressure.
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Beondwacko
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posted December 11, 2009 01:40 PM
I mostly own 6-pt sockets already, but now I need to buy a new one to replace the one I broke. I've gotten so busy with the side work that I can't even find the time to get to Sears.
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08' Atomic Silver, PCIII, Brocks pipe,BMC, -1, strapped front end
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eklipse636
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ZX-14
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posted December 11, 2009 02:31 PM
If sears dosent have the single 6 point, try orileys parts store. Napa, autozone, or advance auto only had a 12 point. They were the only one here to have it.
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Best: 60ft 1.351 1/8 5.68 mph 123.98 1/4
8.89 mph 151.32
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Superman T
Pro
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posted December 11, 2009 03:27 PM
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I mostly own 6-pt sockets already, but now I need to buy a new one to replace the one I broke. I've gotten so busy with the side work that I can't even find the time to get to Sears.
Beondwacko- Good luck!
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JDC
Zone Head
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posted December 11, 2009 04:11 PM
Edited By: JDC on 12 Dec 2009 00:12
One other thing I tried was to put a towel wrapped steel post, about 2" x 3 " x 24" through the spokes and resting on the swingarm... that way I could wrench on it with all the might I could bring, and not have to hold the brake.
Once the thing ended up being initially removed, I have re-torqued it on and off again, without issue.
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Shane661
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posted December 11, 2009 04:22 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 12 Dec 2009 00:28
I used a hardened impact socket on mine.
I used the impact tool for both the sprocket nut, and the nut on the clutch basket.
Shane
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WARBIRD
Needs a job
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posted December 11, 2009 04:48 PM
If you use a big long pipe or something for leverage.......be sure to be pushing DOWN from the front of the bike if no one is there to help hold the bike. Lifting UP from the rear will surely result in the bike falling over.............. 
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Chief
Parking Attendant
KR Tuned Exhaust
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posted December 11, 2009 05:27 PM
What abt some heat, if possible ?
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