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posted November 30, 2009 08:11 PM
best turbo kit
well im really thinking of doing a turbo kit over the winter, living up here in 6000' sucks and a turbo will be the only thing im thinking to make my bike feel normal. Right now my best ET is a 9.75@139 with a 1.50 60'and this was with a 6000+' DA that is are ''good air'' lol we are usually around 7500-9000' in the summer time and that KILLS the little HP that we have big time so. So what do you guys think what turbo kit is a good kit?
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posted November 30, 2009 08:17 PM
Low boost , cheap good kit = Dave at cycle logic
Big ass boost and big big power Chris Jones ...
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01smokes
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posted November 30, 2009 08:26 PM
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Low boost , cheap good kit = Dave at cycle logic
Big ass boost and big big power Chris Jones ...
i just want 190-200 actual hp, right now my bike has 133. i think the bike will last some time on a low boost tune of 5-6psi and i could still ride it around some
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posted November 30, 2009 08:28 PM
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Low boost , cheap good kit = Dave at cycle logic
Big ass boost and big big power Chris Jones ...
i just want 190-200 actual hp, right now my bike has 133. i think the bike will last some time on a low boost tune of 5-6psi and i could still ride it around some
Where do you live, Mount Everest?
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01smokes
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posted November 30, 2009 08:34 PM
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Low boost , cheap good kit = Dave at cycle logic
Big ass boost and big big power Chris Jones ...
i just want 190-200 actual hp, right now my bike has 133. i think the bike will last some time on a low boost tune of 5-6psi and i could still ride it around some
Where do you live, Mount Everest?
lol ABQ New Mexico the quickest bike around here is a 66'' turbo busa with a slider and its still only going 9.0-9.1@ 152 thats sad but true
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davej
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posted November 30, 2009 09:07 PM
 Edited By: davej on 1 Dec 2009 05:48
The Muzzy at 7#'s still is running well, except for the crummy times. Only 9.45 @ 150.6 at 26,000 miles on turbo, 36 K total. You can't hurt machines when they can't breathe, altitude does make a difference, our friend on a stock Gen 1 Busa barely made the 10's. Utah is laughable when it comes to quick. Altitude is seldom below 8,000 ft corrected and the track only contains hot high air. Motor is complete stock on the 14. SmokingZX14 knows the strip, his advise may be the most correct.
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Compton
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posted December 01, 2009 04:19 AM
turbo's dont like that air very much too, why not just replace oxygen with nitrous and go that route?
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1badzx12r
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posted December 01, 2009 07:59 AM
that nitrous sure is a pain to keep refilling ..
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01smokes
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posted December 01, 2009 12:20 PM
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turbo's dont like that air very much too, why not just replace oxygen with nitrous and go that route?
i have the spray on my bike now and it is fun but its only fun when im on the gas. I was thinking about doing a big motor with a good sized shot but that will be about the same price as a turbo kit and i will most likely make more power on boost and be alot more reliable
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almost_les
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posted December 01, 2009 04:00 PM
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The Muzzy at 7#'s still is running well, except for the crummy times. Only 9.45 @ 150.6 at 26,000 miles on turbo, 36 K total. You can't hurt machines when they can't breathe, altitude does make a difference, our friend on a stock Gen 1 Busa barely made the 10's. Utah is laughable when it comes to quick. Altitude is seldom below 8,000 ft corrected and the track only contains hot high air. Motor is complete stock on the 14. SmokingZX14 knows the strip, his advise may be the most correct.
+1 on the altitude. read here about RMR's corrected altitude: http://www.rmrracing.com/2009/drag/DragStrip.htm
if you're running in that 7,000 its too cold to get any traction
but you gotta give the busa guy a break. (Matt F. right?) he's still green, though steadily improving. i've beat him on a 600, and im by no means a top rider. hopefully he gets his stock hub dealt with so it will stop chattering off the line.
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Bad in Black
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posted December 01, 2009 06:31 PM
High altitude is a HUGE fun sucker when it comes to hp. Thats one of the big reasons I boosted my 14.....I got tired of having no power at a mile up lol. Dave at Cycle-Logic makes a very nice kit at a great price, and is a great guy to deal with who stands behind all his stuff  I highly recommend him
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davej
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posted December 01, 2009 08:47 PM
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The Muzzy at 7#'s still is running well, except for the crummy times. Only 9.45 @ 150.6 at 26,000 miles on turbo, 36 K total. You can't hurt machines when they can't breathe, altitude does make a difference, our friend on a stock Gen 1 Busa barely made the 10's. Utah is laughable when it comes to quick. Altitude is seldom below 8,000 ft corrected and the track only contains hot high air. Motor is complete stock on the 14. SmokingZX14 knows the strip, his advise may be the most correct.
+1 on the altitude. read here about RMR's corrected altitude: http://www.rmrracing.com/2009/drag/DragStrip.htm
if you're running in that 7,000 its too cold to get any traction
but you gotta give the busa guy a break. (Matt F. right?) he's still green, though steadily improving. i've beat him on a 600, and im by no means a top rider. hopefully he gets his stock hub dealt with so it will stop chattering off the line.
The Harley guys love Busa, Next season you will be toast. Matt is a new to drag racing and will improve. Beating one newbie is not a thing to brag about. And you are a good rider, please don't diss the new guys. Did you beat the Nitro Harleys...........not even close.
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01smokes
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posted December 01, 2009 09:49 PM
well ive been looking in to the cycle logic kit it looks like the best bang for the buck, i should be ordering one soon like hopefully by Christmas i was wondering how hard it would be to upgrade it in the future like when i build my motor to handle more power?
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posted December 01, 2009 09:54 PM
straight from their site...
Kawasaki 2006-2008 ZX-14R Turbo kit zx14
$4,895.00
Kawasaki ZX-14R Turbo Kit 2006-2008 This is the most awesome Turbo kit in production for the Kawasaki ZX-14r. This kit fits the 2006-2008 ZX-14!!! We in house design and manufactur some of the finest Billet parts in the market. We use a dual ball bearing turbo unit by IHI for the quickest spooling and the most throttle responsive turbo set up available anywhere!!! The kit is designed for an “All Stock” engine to produce around 260RWHP. We have designed our own Billet aluminum boost sensing fuel controller. No other fuel controller is as small, light weight and effective as this one. Look close at the images to notice the “fine” engineering and CNC machining we do. This is the best a production kit can be. When you are ready for even more POWER, you can add Forged rods, forged low compression pistons, multi function hub with the boost input, A 2 or 3 BAR map sensor, and a boost stage switch to modulate boost levels. You can increase your power in stages as you like. The turbo unit in every kit is capable of producing over 435RWHP. This is the stage one kit that makes 260. It is available for delivery but we recommend our installation and custom dyno testing and tuning package for only $850. Dyno sheets are included for your review. This is the only way to ensure proper installation and tuning!!! A few days labor at your local motorcycle shop followed by dyno tuning may cost thousands of dollars that you don’t need to spend!!! The kit comes with a tested Power commander turbo code as a basic installation setup for the stock engine.
Please verify your installation using a dyno!!!
We have kept your beautiful body work in mind when we designed this kit. All turbo kit parts fit under your body work without cutting through!!!
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• 321L stainless steel turbo header (ported and polished)
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• Waste gate actuator (preset to 8PSI boost)
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• 6061 aluminum charge tube
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• Secondary oil filler breather vent with filter (K & N style)
• Oil injection flow control valve
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almost_les
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posted December 02, 2009 09:58 AM
didn't want to continue getting off topic so reply posted to the smack shack
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Compton
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posted December 02, 2009 11:29 AM
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turbo's dont like that air very much too, why not just replace oxygen with nitrous and go that route?
i have the spray on my bike now and it is fun but its only fun when im on the gas. I was thinking about doing a big motor with a good sized shot but that will be about the same price as a turbo kit and i will most likely make more power on boost and be alot more reliable
a 2x4 with a 150 shot on it would be more fun then a stock motor with a turbo kit, imo
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Bawls
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posted December 02, 2009 01:38 PM
And not nearly as streetable.
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gilberjj
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posted December 02, 2009 03:42 PM
Why do they use ihi turbos. the vf22 is OLD technology. They used to upgrade the 2002 wrx's with those turbos. Laggy...... Why wouldn't they use a garrett gt28?
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posted December 02, 2009 04:08 PM
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Why do they use ihi turbos. the vf22 is OLD technology. They used to upgrade the 2002 wrx's with those turbos. Laggy...... Why wouldn't they use a garrett gt28?
i'd assume one thing, cost.
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posted July 06, 2010 03:59 PM
Hi guys, as I was browsing the forums I came across your chat and figured I'd chime in. Actually, I can get an imported GT28rs turbos that bolts to our Cycle-Logic turbo header for half the price of the vf-22 but haven't gone there yet. The vf-22 has performed so well for our kits since 2004 for the CBRs and since 2006 for the ZX-14s. The power delivery is very smooth and predictable. The vf-22 currently costs 1150.00 (not a cheap turbo). Feel free to email me for dyno graphs and forget about the complaints of turbo Lag. It’s nearly non existent in these applications. The dyno sheets will verify this. When you want to build up your engine you won’t need a different turbo until you’re looking for the mid 400sHP Thanks, David C-LMS
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NINJA12
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posted July 06, 2010 07:36 PM
What would be required to get around 300-350 using your kit?
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01smokes
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posted July 06, 2010 08:27 PM
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What would be required to get around 300-350 using your kit?
15psi of boost and c16 will get you there i would also do a fuel system with a 1;1 FPR and not run the rising rate regulator
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posted July 06, 2010 09:10 PM
If you're trying to get in the 300s -350s on your stock motor you need c16. The 14 runs out of injector at around 335HP and thats using the c-lms #821RRFPR running the fuel pressure from 42psi to 85psi 13 to 15 PSI boost is needed. I don't recommend running over 15 PSI without bumping up the valve spring seat pressure. APE's work great. I have them too. The first weak link is the OEM piston. the thin spot near the fly cut for the intake valve will be the first to melt and pinch the top ring. JE make nice 9.5:1 turbo pistons as drop ins. uses stock rods and OEM rings.
SO, for 350HP I'd go with JE turbo pistons, APE valve springs. bigger injectors and 18 PSI boost added to our stage I turbo kit
or run the C16 and about 15psi and run the rising rate regulator that we designed for this project.,
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