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dubious

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posted November 09, 2009 11:45 AM

How much better is it with no flies?

A long time member here is concerned about pulling the flies, as he is rebuilding his broken bike and doesn't want to wreck it again.

I have repeatedly told him the 06 and 07 are much more predictable without the flies, and the power being more linear actualy makes the bike safer without the flies

In stock form it wants to spin the rear, or lift when passing through 6000 rpm and the bike goes from 600 power, to 1400 power instantly. The sudden power increase is not good for cornering, or straightline riding. It just isn't good at all, and thats why they changed them in 08-09 I think.

So everyone, post up how much better your 06-07 is without the flies.
How much more linear and predictable the power is.
He needs to hear it from a few others I think.

He is going to put a 16 tooth sproket in place of the 17 , which will also amplify the instant transition at 6000 rpm.

Dave, I am doing this to help you, not to coherce or embarass you buddy.

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posted November 09, 2009 12:05 PM

come on guys...
one sentance telling us why its better, how predictable it became, and why you would never go back!

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posted November 09, 2009 12:31 PM

This is such an overcooked subject. PULL THEM AND NEVER LOOK BACK!!!!!!!! I've never heard any person pull them and say, I liked it better stock. My biggest concern was that adding 30%ish to the pciii map would make the bike lack the nice rideability, but I was dead wrong. It's even more smooth then stock, and 100% predicable. The 14 is flawed with flies as far as I am concerned. They should have never been in the bike in the first place. They give you less mpg, less power, less predicability, and make the bike less smooth. They have NO benefits imo (and I live in the Pacific Northwest where I've been caught in the rain on more then one occasion). Many people don't want to pull them because they ride in the rain and they think the bike will all of a sudden be TOO powerful at low rpm. If you can already ride the motorcycle , then you'll have no problems. If you can keep a steady throttle with the flies in, there is no reason you can't do it with the flies out.

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posted November 09, 2009 12:46 PM

Pull them. If you don't like it, put'em back.
Great mod for 06 -07!
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posted November 09, 2009 12:49 PM

i didnt pull them on my 06 probably thinking the same thing you are. pulled them on my 08 whenever i got the pc, and i felt dumb thinking WHY DIDNT I DO THIS ON MY 06?!?!
theres nothing BUT positives that come from it!!!
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posted November 09, 2009 12:54 PM

I will agree 110% with the first post. That is one thing I hated about the bike when I first got it. There would be 600cc power below 6krpm then WAM! Tire spin and then I'm seein the sky haha. Pulling the flies really makes it more managable in my opinion, you will know then where your power will be and will come on strong at. Its more smooth building up to the power. I couldn't imagine long-term riding this bike with the flies in. Just my opinion of course.
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posted November 09, 2009 01:15 PM

100% more predictable. I put the first 5 thousand miles on my bike with the flies in and when i pulled them i wondered why i had never done it before. If i were to go back in time and buy anothe 07 model I would definitely pull the flies as soon as I got home! Also, when my bike was stock it was impossible to go fast on at the track because you had to launch it out at 5k and then as soon as it would hit 6k it would turn into a unicycle. For the sake of not crashing due to the bike being unpredictable please pull those flies STAT!
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posted November 09, 2009 01:22 PM

Not trying to hijack the thread here guys....

Are we talking ONLY of the 06-07 here?

Or pulling the flies doesn't matter 'to much' on the 08-09's?

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posted November 09, 2009 01:38 PM

The 06-07 was a complete dog, then at 6K slapped you in the face.
The 08-09 secondaries were much more progressive
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posted November 09, 2009 01:42 PM

I pulled the flies and put a 16t on my 07. This was the best thing I could of done. The power band is much more responsive. I love it alot. Its better going around corners because the power is instantly there when you want it, no lag. Just spend a little time with it, you won''t go back. Plus you will be able to keep up with the newer ones!...

Try it!!!

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posted November 09, 2009 02:09 PM

My first reaction to riding my 06 on the maiden voyage home (I didnt about secondary flies yet) was...wow it's pretty gutless. Where's the power? I was very unimpressed. Buyer's remorse set in within 10 miles. How could this be? It was because the airway was blocked from the factory. Kawasaki pounded a potato into the exhaust. You couldn't pay me $500 to put the flies back in. period.
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posted November 09, 2009 02:26 PM

Do it you will love it for sure .you will know the power is ther at all times no surprise its great 06zx14

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posted November 09, 2009 03:26 PM

Edited By: Tool Man on 9 Nov 2009 23:26

Much better with them out... Gear it down as well.. 16-43

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posted November 09, 2009 06:25 PM

Lyle says it all! Myself with the flies in was scary at wot and then it would wake the hell up. That was not for me so I pulled the flies with good help from this forum.

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posted November 09, 2009 08:00 PM

quote:
A long time member here is concerned about pulling the flies, as he is rebuilding his broken bike and doesn't want to wreck it again.

I have repeatedly told him the 06 and 07 are much more predictable without the flies, and the power being more linear actualy makes the bike safer without the flies

In stock form it wants to spin the rear, or lift when passing through 6000 rpm and the bike goes from 600 power, to 1400 power instantly. The sudden power increase is not good for cornering, or straightline riding. It just isn't good at all, and thats why they changed them in 08-09 I think.

So everyone, post up how much better your 06-07 is without the flies.
How much more linear and predictable the power is.
He needs to hear it from a few others I think.

He is going to put a 16 tooth sproket in place of the 17 , which will also amplify the instant transition at 6000 rpm.

Dave, I am doing this to help you, not to coherce or embarass you buddy.

Hugs ,
Lyle

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I would never leave the flies in on any 14. The flies on the 06 are actually dangerous ! Imagine being in a full lean at wot then 6000 rpms the flies wack open

I think someone should pay daves 14 a visit and steal the flies out for him

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posted November 09, 2009 08:07 PM

quote:
Not trying to hijack the thread here guys....

Are we talking ONLY of the 06-07 here?

Or pulling the flies doesn't matter 'to much' on the 08-09's?

All the 14's to date benefit from being flyless!
06-07 are the most to benefit . The difference is unexplainable.
The newer 14's have again but not like the 06's did

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posted November 09, 2009 08:15 PM

quote:
My first reaction to riding my 06 on the maiden voyage home (I didnt about secondary flies yet) was...wow it's pretty gutless.
Where's the power? I was very unimpressed. Buyer's remorse set in within 10 miles. How could this be?
It was because the airway was blocked from the factory. Kawasaki pounded a potato into the exhaust.
You couldn't pay me $500 to put the flies back in. period.

I had the same thoughts on the 1st ride. Gutless! I almost messed myself a bunch of times when I was playing in the canyons when all of a sudden this
big bang explosion of power would come on

But I knew deep down that there must be some mods that can be done to fix it.
Then I found this awesome site and heard of the flies being puled and the rest is history

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posted November 09, 2009 08:57 PM

Don't do it ,,,,you will enjoy your bike too much & neglect work, your girlfriend, family. All you will want to do is ride... again don't listen to these people, next you'll need a new exhaust, a power commander, new paint, better tires...you'll go broke cause you haven't worked & spent all your savings on bling. Then eventually it'll seem slow & then comes nitrous, maybe just a small turbo, You'll be in debt to everyone you know, hiding out cause they want money. You'll end up in a lfe of crime just trying to go faster. Leave it stock, don't fall down that slippery slope of power, ever more power.

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posted November 09, 2009 09:54 PM

quote:
Don't do it ,,,,you will enjoy your bike too much & neglect work, your girlfriend, family.
All you will want to do is ride... again don't listen to these people, next you'll need a new exhaust, a power commander, new paint, better tires...
you'll go broke cause you haven't worked & spent all your savings on bling.
Then eventually it'll seem slow & then comes nitrous, maybe just a small turbo,
You'll be in debt to everyone you know, hiding out cause they want money.
You'll end up in a lfe of crime just trying to go faster.
Leave it stock, don't fall down that slippery slope of power, ever more power.

I don't know about anybody else but that would have been more than enough reason to pull those nasty flies

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posted November 09, 2009 10:29 PM

quote:
Don't do it ,,,,you will enjoy your bike too much & neglect work, your girlfriend, family. All you will want to do is ride... again don't listen to these people, next you'll need a new exhaust, a power commander, new paint, better tires...you'll go broke cause you haven't worked & spent all your savings on bling. Then eventually it'll seem slow & then comes nitrous, maybe just a small turbo, You'll be in debt to everyone you know, hiding out cause they want money. You'll end up in a lfe of crime just trying to go faster. Leave it stock, don't fall down that slippery slope of power, ever more power.

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posted November 09, 2009 10:30 PM

I will take it from another angle, if I may... After over 3 years of the zx 14 being around... who (that has removed their 'flies') had wished that they had left them in? In the last almost 4years that we have had these 'talks', it was always an argument of should I or shouldn't I pull the flies. There were quite a few people that would say they wanted to leave them in etc... but I only saw one post that said to leave them in AFTER they removed them and that was BROCK. He later took that back after spending some time on the bike with them out. So I say there is not anyone that has taken them out that would say leave them in. Once you take them out.... there is NO QUESTION. Now maybe there is someone out there that said they had wished that they had never taken them out, but they have never spoken up. (I will give that disclaimer) but everyone, after they removed them, posted how happy they were that they took them out. I hope that helps. It really makes the bike feel smooth and it is definately better for real life riding. You have the power if you need it without any hesitation and as all have said it is a lot more predictable. The only bad is that it may cost you the price of a pwer Commander but it is worth the money. There are plenty of maps available now if you don't want to dyno tune it. I for one can't imagine having the bike back to the 'stock' flies in set up. I don't drag race so I won't give any opinion as to the racing benefits but for riding the bike on the street it is a 'must'. Chuck

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posted November 09, 2009 10:50 PM

I think it will be hard to find a 14 owner to pay who will admit to wishing he never took the flies out !
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posted November 09, 2009 11:03 PM

Edited By: Flyboy on 10 Nov 2009 07:23

When I bought my 14 back in July of 2006 I was a nobody. Other guys used to kick sand in my face at the beach. I had to wear a sock in my pants to get a look from anybody. Even if it were a guy... at least it was someone. Women used to ask me to babysit their cats on Saturday nights so they could dance the night away with those more manly guys on their Harleys. I used to get carded at the local tavern just to buy a Bud light. I got no respect. I thought glueing fake hair to my chest would at least bring a look or two from the local hookers but they all thought I had some rare African disease and wouldn't come near me. I used to ride my 14 into Saturday night biker nights at the local McDonalds but the Vespa guys used to sit on my ride and put out their smothering cigarettes on my fairing. I felt so low I almost traded my 14 for a 65 Vespa that had been wrecked and was barely running. The worst thing is... I became irregular, just like my Grandmother had warned me. I became fat and my Madras shirts and bell bottom jeans would no longer fit. I had to rely on Metamucil just to keep the bloting down. I used to lock myself in my apartment all day, eat potato chips and watch Live with Regis and Oprah. My cat Muffins, used to mistake my fake hair for her litter box and the crap piled up on top of my sofa. Oh... it was bad, soooo bad.

And then one day-- while surfing the net for "sex change operations for that girl in you"... I came across this site called Bicycle land or Bitch land or Bike lanes or something like that. I don't remember. I had spiked my cool-aid with vodka... something I once saw in a James Bond movie-- a real man's drink and I wasn't quite thinking so good. And then I saw something on the computer about "how to get the flies off you" or "get flies out of your shit" or "flies in your 14 are screwing your motor" or something like that. That afternoon I spent four hours with a flashlight (not the one I use for sexual pleasure) but a real flashlight and I searched my bike high and low for those little pesky things but I couldn't find a fly nest, little cum stains or anything so I gave up.

Now-- I was feeling really low. I was just about to end it all by sticking my head up my 14 exhaust-- when suddenly the phone rang. It was a guy named Lyle and he told me I could turn my life around by cutting off my flies. I quickly replied, "Do you mean my balls?" He yelled back, "NO! Your flies! Remove your flies and all your trouble will end!" I couldn't believe this guy.. and how in the hell did he get my number in the first place? Was he one of the guys that had seen my sock? Was he one of those preverts I always hear about on the six o'clock news????
to be continued---
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