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posted November 16, 2009 03:49 PM
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Maybe next race ( milemarker-1.com) i can give my zx14 a try ...I really don't care to go that fast but that milemarker-1.com track looks real safe with pleanty of shut down ..
I don't think i can hit 200 anyway ...I'd be happy with hitting 190 .. I bet 190 is not that easy either ...
Smokin' , We'd love to see you there!!
I'm sure with your drag racing experience, you'll adapt quite easily to LSR.
If I had to guess, I'd say you'd definately be somewhere in the 190-200mph range (N/A) by the end of your first event.
It's quite addicting, you've been warned. =)
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posted November 16, 2009 03:51 PM
I've read and believe what all of you have said and posted over the years about how truly difficult it is to do 200mph in a standing mile: even guys with massive powered turbo bikes with lots of 1/4 mile experience have struggled with setup and technique and failed or barely hit 200mph.
That being said, I think Smokin would probably be the annomaly that makes the rule. My money is on him breaking 200 on his non power adder, stock engined bike the first day there. Dude's apparently one of those few who can pull some kinda magic outta the air and get performance above and beyond what most can do with the same setup. And I'm serious about that: I've seen guys have a tech dyno there car, then after the cool down they jumped in and got 25 more hp. Unexplainable... but they are out there. *don't shoot the messenger*
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posted November 16, 2009 04:02 PM
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I've read and believe what all of you have said and posted over the years about how truly difficult it is to do 200mph in a standing mile: even guys with massive powered turbo bikes with lots of 1/4 mile experience have struggled with setup and technique and failed or barely hit 200mph.
That being said, I think Smokin would probably be the annomaly that makes the rule. My money is on him breaking 200 on his non power adder, stock engined bike the first day there. Dude's apparently one of those few who can pull some kinda magic outta the air and get performance above and beyond what most can do with the same setup. And I'm serious about that: I've seen guys have a tech dyno there car, then after the cool down they jumped in and got 25 more hp. Unexplainable... but they are out there. *don't shoot the messenger*
That would be quite the accomplishment! To date, only 1 stock engine ZX-14 has been able to pop the 200mph barrier in the standing mile. Brock's ZX-14 with one of the BEST LSR racers in the country, Chad Millholland riding and a slew of top tuners helping with set-up.
This was done at Maxton, NC where the air is much denser than it is in the middle of the Florida Everglades like the Mile Marker -1 track where you're literally in the swamp.
Not saying it's impossible, just saying it's going to be extremely tough for an LSR rookie to nail the set-up and technique with the precision of a team of guys who've been doing this for a looooooong time. Keep in mind that the 1/4 mile is a completely different animal than The Mile.... set-up and technique are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Unless you have an LSR vet coaching you through it all, you're going to spend most of your time swapping sprockets, playing with tire pressure, changing wheelbase, trying different A/F and timing, and most importantly... finding the best tuck for your body size/bike.
By the days end, you'll be lucky to have found the right set-up for half of the things on this list.... and this list doesn't even cover half of what's involved in going FAST.
But hell, if Smokin' walks on water and turns it into wine like you say.... we all may be in for quite the treat!
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posted November 16, 2009 04:14 PM
+1. Nothing against Smokin but the odds are stacked against him at that venue. Give him some more distance or better conditions, maybe. A tailwind, maybe....but again, probably not. That last little bit is hard to accomplish with ease.
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posted November 16, 2009 04:25 PM
Personally, I'd love to see another stock engine 14 do it!!!
Closest to Brock's bike was Zack Millholland's personal ZX-14 which ran 198-199mph at Maxton. For those who don't know about Team Millholland.... (Dan,Zack,Chad) they are way up there on the LSR food chain!!!
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posted November 16, 2009 04:30 PM
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Personally, I'd love to see another stock engine 14 do it!!!
Closest to Brock's bike was Zack Millholland's personal ZX-14 which ran 198-199mph at Maxton. For those who don't know about Team Millholland.... (Dan,Zack,Chad) they are way up there on the LSR food chain!!!
I think there may be another one that can do it at Maxton if the owner loses some weight and/or fits a lower tank. 
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posted November 16, 2009 05:51 PM
Oh rearrry? Hmmmmmmm...
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posted November 16, 2009 06:31 PM
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Maybe next race ( milemarker-1.com) i can give my zx14 a try ...I really don't care to go that fast but that milemarker-1.com track looks real safe with pleanty of shut down ..
I don't think i can hit 200 anyway ...I'd be happy with hitting 190 .. I bet 190 is not that easy either ...
Smokin' , We'd love to see you there!!
I'm sure with your drag racing experience, you'll adapt quite easily to LSR.
If I had to guess, I'd say you'd definately be somewhere in the 190-200mph range (N/A) by the end of your first event.
It's quite addicting, you've been warned. =)
Like i said i'd be very happy if i just hit 190 ... Shit i wouldn't go away mad if i hit 180s .. This would be a one time thing for me , I don't need another figgin hobby ...
If i do came and race the bike will be setup just like it is now for drag racing ... I'm not going to put a lot of time modding the bike other than the safety items needed to pass Tec .. No mapping changes , no gear swaps .. I just want to have fun and that doesn't include working on the bike .. When I go to the strip i never touch the bike other than tire PSI , if i have to work on the bike i just go home .. This is a hobby NOT a job ....So if the bike runs 170 MPH that what it runs... Like i said i really don't like to go that fast , I'm all about ET not MPH .... The only reason i would do this is the Airport looks safe and has a long shut down ...
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posted November 16, 2009 07:02 PM
Edited By: smokinZX14 on 17 Nov 2009 03:24
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I've read and believe what all of you have said and posted over the years about how truly difficult it is to do 200mph in a standing mile: even guys with massive powered turbo bikes with lots of 1/4 mile experience have struggled with setup and technique and failed or barely hit 200mph.
That being said, I think Smokin would probably be the annomaly that makes the rule. My money is on him breaking 200 on his non power adder, stock engined bike the first day there. Dude's apparently one of those few who can pull some kinda magic outta the air and get performance above and beyond what most can do with the same setup. And I'm serious about that: I've seen guys have a tech dyno there car, then after the cool down they jumped in and got 25 more hp. Unexplainable... but they are out there. *don't shoot the messenger*
That would be quite the accomplishment! To date, only 1 stock engine ZX-14 has been able to pop the 200mph barrier in the standing mile. Brock's ZX-14 with one of the BEST LSR racers in the country, Chad Millholland riding and a slew of top tuners helping with set-up.
This was done at Maxton, NC where the air is much denser than it is in the middle of the Florida Everglades like the Mile Marker -1 track where you're literally in the swamp.
Not saying it's impossible, just saying it's going to be extremely tough for an LSR rookie to nail the set-up and technique with the precision of a team of guys who've been doing this for a looooooong time. Keep in mind that the 1/4 mile is a completely different animal than The Mile.... set-up and technique are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Unless you have an LSR vet coaching you through it all, you're going to spend most of your time swapping sprockets, playing with tire pressure, changing wheelbase, trying different A/F and timing, and most importantly... finding the best tuck for your body size/bike.
By the days end, you'll be lucky to have found the right set-up for half of the things on this list.... and this list doesn't even cover half of what's involved in going FAST.
But hell, if Smokin' walks on water and turns it into wine like you say.... we all may be in for quite the treat!
Walks on water ... lol..... I work very hard to go fast in the 1/4 mile ... Near 2000 runs to get to where i'm at now and lets not forget i have been doing this for close to 40 years ...I have paided my dues to the 1/4 mile gods... I have NOT paided my Dues to the one mile god... I mean it when i say speeds like that scares me !! .. if i don't feel safe i will let off ...I'm not going there to show anyone up or set any records so get that crap out of your heads .. I would be going ( If i go at all ) just to have fun and meet some people that i have met here on bikeland .... This is just for fun and nothing else ...
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posted November 17, 2009 05:04 AM
SMOKIN, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T SHOW UP TO AN LSR VENUE WITH DRAG RACING GEARING AND SIT ON THE REV LIMITER FOR 10 SECOND! We used to give Shane shiit about that all the damn time!
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posted November 17, 2009 05:12 AM
Smokin', you'll have a hell of a good time, regardless what you run. I know you wouldn't be going there to set the lsr world on fire your first time out.. But apparently your fan club thinks differently. Lol
Yes, you most definately paid your dues to the 1/4 mile god with 2000 passes, and your performance reflects that fact.
If you do decide to come down, its a very laid back environment, you'll fit right in. You're more than welcome to pit next to us at the Ace Performance camp, I'm sure with a only a few tweeks and pointers you'll be knocking on the 190mph door before the days end.
As for letting off the gas if you're not "feeling" it... That's S.O.P. in LSR. No shame in respecting speed, most people (including myself) gradually build up a comfort level with high speed. Few people hit 200mph without a box full of 170, 180, 190mph runs under their belts. (Unless you take the express route and go turbo..)
SHANE- I hope so bro! So you thinking of making the trip?
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posted November 17, 2009 05:18 AM
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SMOKIN, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T SHOW UP TO AN LSR VENUE WITH DRAG RACING GEARING AND SIT ON THE REV LIMITER FOR 10 SECOND! We used to give Shane shiit about that all the damn time!
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posted November 17, 2009 05:20 AM
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SHANE- I hope so bro! So you thinking of making the trip?
I'm thinking about it. I'm going to make a decision in the next day or two. 
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posted November 17, 2009 06:30 AM
wasn't aware there has been only one 14 to break the mile at 200mph. Damn, sorry smokin think you might need some juice for that!
I do find it humorous that you are fine going near 160mph in the 1/4 mile with a narrow track with a limited shut down area, but are worried about going near 200mph on a wide azz runway with lots of slow down room!
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posted November 17, 2009 06:45 AM
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Let me tell you, Sticks....160 and 200+ are world's apart. When you lay out 6th gear for 10+ seconds, it gives you a lot of time to think. The 1.5 miles at Loring was ridiculous.
160 is nothing, and at the dragstrip I never give the speeds a 2nd thought.
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posted November 17, 2009 06:51 AM
True enough. I was just trying to rib Smokin into going out and giving it a shot. Thanks for you (un)help!
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posted November 17, 2009 07:05 AM
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Let me tell you, Sticks....160 and 200+ are world's apart. When you lay out 6th gear for 10+ seconds, it gives you a lot of time to think. The 1.5 miles at Loring was ridiculous.
160 is nothing, and at the dragstrip I never give the speeds a 2nd thought.
True, even the 1.25 miles at Woodbridge gives a lot of time in 6th, at least it seems that way because there's so much going on in the first five or six seconds that the next twenty seems like forever. You sit there, one eye on the runway and one on the tacho needle willing it round a bit further and trying not to move out of your tuck in case you disturb the airflow over your body. LSR is something else.
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posted November 17, 2009 11:52 AM
Sticks - See, the difference between the 1/4 and the mile is this....
1. The Mile doesn't have prepped surface for traction... it's just like the street if not worse!
2. Using long wheelbase causes massive tire slippage at high speed, so getting out of the hole requires a bit more precision.
3. You can't use 15 psi on a fat shinko... you need an LSR tire at normal tire pressure.
4. You need to gear the bike super tall for the Mile.... so going through the gears is pure power, not gearing like in the 1/4.
5. You need to tune the A/F and ignition timing so that the engine can survive the extreme heat that's generated with 20-22 second's of WOT, not 8-9 seconds like in the 1/4.
I hear a lot of 1/4 mile guys talk about how they can hit 160mph in "Just the 1/4 mile", so going another 40mph in another 3/4 mile should be cake. Those same guys have no concept of how wind resistance increases EXPONENTIALLY, not linear like most assume. It may take 200rwhp to hit 200mph.... but it takes 500rwhp to hit 250mph!
LSR is another WORLD....
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posted November 17, 2009 01:22 PM
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True enough. I was just trying to rib Smokin into going out and giving it a shot. Thanks for you (un)help!
It doesn't matter sticks, looking at the cost of me going to that race are close to 1000 bucks ... No way am i spending 1000 bucks for one day racing ..I don't have the money nor time to do it Jan ... Maybe later in the year it could happen ..
Looking at the cost for me ..
170 tire
550 damper
150 track fee
80 gears
20 Valve stems ,safety wire Ect
170 New clutch
399 new leathers , boots
120 gas
60 motel ............
Total 1899.00 ......... Damn !!! and i'm sure i left something out ...
All that cash just to have PH13 and Ace set me up and shoot me down .. That's ok because i'd do the same to them at the drag strip ..
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posted November 17, 2009 02:41 PM
Yeah, the initial investment sucks...
............ but it's worth every penny if you get hooked.
Speed is a drug, complete with a high, addiction, and withdrawls... for which there is no rehab.
The pursuit of it is a struggle to cheat physics and outrun the reaper.
In 6th Gear you have no friends, only enemies fighting against your efforts.
She's is the unforgiving element that mortal men strive to own, if only for a moment in time.
This is the nature of LSR.... The Road Less Traveled.
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posted November 17, 2009 02:56 PM
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All that cash just to have PH13 and Ace set me up and shoot me down .. That's ok because i'd do the same to them at the drag strip ..
Hahahaha! Nah, it's not like that at all. You're racing against the Mile, we're all on the same side (unless you enter in my class!!)
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shiphteey, if I can prove this to you what in return will you do for me?
Because I'm not really impressed by proving anything to you with the way that you communicate to others on this forum.
Forget about Shiphteey... prove it to yourself.
www.milemarker-1.com
I was there on the first event and luckily nobody got killed..
I spotted a piece of rubber on the track as I was taking pictures...
Here's a picture I took with a piece of rubber beside the motorcycle.
Everybody was complaining at the event that the radar gun was not calibrated correctly.
The guy above is fast and is a very good rider..
I really would like to see 14nooby on my bike with 93 octane with the gear ratio of 16/41 top out my zx14 at the www.milemarker-1.com of course.
14nooby, if you read this post e-mail me.. 
You should have my West Palm Beach e-mail address if not just e-mail me at speedaholic.net@gmail.com
Thanks Beondwacko for speaking up I also will have Brian post the details so that way there he can be the neutral party since he witnessed everything.
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posted November 18, 2009 05:19 AM
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posted November 18, 2009 05:35 AM
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Yes, Juan is a very good rider, one of the best in fact. We've been friends for many years. Met him at the 9/10th's back in 04. I remember when he first got that bike and brought it out. He whooped me on my piped 12R pretty bad. Back then I was just getting my feet wet at the 9/10th's, the good ol' days.
I was at the event and I didn't hear nor see that rubber on the track. In fact this is the first I've heard of it! It's really shocking to see that it was in fact there, I'll have a talk with Max, the event organizer, to discuss this and find a solution to make sure we catch something like this right away if it were to happen again.
It's too bad you choose to only mention the negative about the event/track. It was a first event, growing pains are to be expected... we were all trying to get things organized with all the chaos. The radar gun was off by a bit, but that form of speed measurement was a last resort. There will be Tag Heur timing lights from now on. This is the same timing equipment used by The Texas Mile, top of the line. Either way, everyone had a GPS on them and that's what we were all going by anyway.
As for the track itself, it's an absolute GEM!! I've raced and gone over 200mph at Maxton, Texas, and the 9/10th's...... and let me tell you, this track has the best surface by far, the longest shutdown, and quite possibly the widest too.
Hopefully, you'll be at the next event as well.
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