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posted November 15, 2009 10:53 PM
stock wheelbase and stock chain you can get away with 16/43 gearing, but it's not going to be good for top speed runs. Just acting like a hooligan.
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shiphteey
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posted November 16, 2009 06:08 AM
So you went 193 on spray. Funny, you never even mentioned that your bike was equipped with nitrous ... why is that? And somehow you went 195 with the same gearing without spray, even though you just needed it in the upper gears to beat the gixxer.
So, lets be very clear here. What is your weight? What distance did you run? From what start speed?
I'm interested in hearing how much longer than a standard 9/10ths run did a heavy rider need? If you went 193 on spray in the 9/10ths, how long did it take you go even faster with 30-40 less HP?
Hmmmm.......
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Rideharder
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posted November 16, 2009 07:21 AM
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stock wheelbase and stock chain you can get away with 16/43 gearing, but it's not going to be good for top speed runs. Just acting like a hooligan.
Do you think it's possible with a stock engine with the gear ratio of 16/41 gearing to hit 195 mph with 180 pound rider on it with no nitrous? If you think it's possible what distance do you think would it take?
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posted November 16, 2009 07:38 AM
 Edited By: Rideharder on 16 Nov 2009 15:38
shiphteey, if I can prove this to you what in return will you do for me?
Because I'm not really impressed by proving anything to you with the way that you communicate to others on this forum.
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Shane661
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posted November 16, 2009 07:40 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 16 Nov 2009 15:47
What rpm is the bike showing at 195 mph? That should tell the story...
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Beondwacko
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posted November 16, 2009 07:40 AM
I've seen this bike run and I can attest to it's numbers that are being posted.
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shiphteey
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posted November 16, 2009 08:03 AM
Edited By: shiphteey on 16 Nov 2009 16:04
Thats the thing, if you feel the need to have a carrot dangling in front of you in order to disclose proof you probably have something to hide or are leaving something out (aka the fine print). Can't think of any LS racers that would have a problem proving something that seems a little off. Why do you feel the need to try and capitalize off of it? Either you did it and can verify it or you can't, simple.
Were you the one riding it?
And again, how LONG was this run for and what was the start speed? How big of a tailwind was there? These are important variables that can make one look not so shabby under normal 3000 rpm 1st gear roll-ons at the 9/10ths ... or not so impressive with 70+ mph roll-ons for over a mile. Know what I mean?
And as for my tone or attitude you don't find pleasing. Please note it isn't across the board. For example, I know what Shane661 runs and what it takes to run what he does. Smokinzx14 hauls the mail and runs low ets and fairly high MPH. Its other guys who didn't put in the time, the hard work, the repeatable results and make one-off claims....claims that may be hard to swallow....only to then get worked up when someone calls you on it. Realize that if the number seems a little too high....it PROBABLY IS. Already from my questions we hear the bike was equipped with nitrous and had a rider about 40 lbs or so lighter than either of the men shown in the previous pics, right?
Sometimes you ask the right questions and refuse to just swallow all claims as biblical truths and you start getting an idea of how and why certain things happened and certain speeds claimed.
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posted November 16, 2009 08:29 AM
I went from 35mph to the speed limiter in just under 1 mile, with my current setup (stock sprockets) when I weighed 310lbs and at 6'5". The 1 mile mark was about 100 yards past where the highway patrol was parked with the officer standing in by his door radaring me.
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posted November 16, 2009 08:31 AM
1st of all radar can be horribly inaccurate at higher speeds. What was the speed reading he got? And what does it have to do with going 195 mph?
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posted November 16, 2009 08:35 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 16 Nov 2009 16:41
Do you really think you were going 185+ mph, Sticks? 310 lbs of rider and 186 mph in under a mile? Wow, you must be practicing your tuck.  
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posted November 16, 2009 08:59 AM
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Do you really think you were going 185+ mph, Sticks? 310 lbs of rider and 186 mph in under a mile? Wow, you must be practicing your LIES.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted November 16, 2009 09:12 AM
speedo read in the high 190's, maybe more but I was too busy to get a exact number: I bounced off the speed limiter a few times then dialed it back to 170 for a couple turns in the freeway. Yes, I ran and didnt stick around to see what speed the officer said I was going. He started to get into his car then stood back up and started radaring me again when he heard me roll back on the throttle. Doubt he even called it in.
Maybe one of you top speed guys can verify this: isn't the speed limiter set up to restrict you at 187-188mph actual? I was all stock gearing and tire size wise, with no speedo healer. Wasn't suprised when it passed 188 and went strongly into the 190's since the magazine articles I've read mentioned the same thing: the speed limiter kicks in at the "actual" 188mph limit versus the "indicated" 188mph.
I know that without a timed/certified or even GPS verification I have no idea exactly how fast I was going, but I'm fairly certain it was what the evidence suggested: 186-188mph.
Gilberjj: for the record, I was 40lbs lighter during that run than when we raced...
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posted November 16, 2009 09:17 AM
It should be around 186 actual, depending on tire height.
Sticks, Shiphteey and I complete at LSR events. We see what these bikes run with all different sized riders. I'll just leave it at that.
Do you still stick by your claim of not being beaten on your 14 by any other 14 or 1000?? I believe that was the claim at one point...
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posted November 16, 2009 09:22 AM
... few other tidbits: Was following a slow ass grandpa through a construction zone at 35mph, was PISSED because it was clearly marked 55mph: the construction zone ended and all 4 lanes opened up with ZERO traffic ahead due to 5am sunday morning and this yahoo infront of me for the last 2 miles of construction. I went full tuck/WOT and hopped over into the fast lane and decided to take it all the way up. Few days afterwards I measured it off in my all stock suburban: a little bit short of 1 mile from cones to where I recall hitting the limiter. Is it really that big of a deal?? Gilberjj has hit the speed limiter on a local road course straightaway...
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Shane661
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posted November 16, 2009 09:25 AM
Well, I'm not going to say it's a big deal...but you are probably the only 310 lb. guy on the planet who can reach 186 mph on stock motor ZX-14, in under a mile. Unless it is downhill and/or with a big tailwind.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted November 16, 2009 09:32 AM
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It should be around 186 actual, depending on tire height.
Sticks, Shiphteey and I complete at LSR events. We see what these bikes run with all different sized riders. I'll just leave it at that.
Do you still stick by your claim of not being beaten on your 14 by any other 14 or 1000?? I believe that was the claim at one point...
Claim I made was on a dyno: and nobody has done it yet without a power adder. Thats not exactly a big deal: any cam or head/cam busa or 14 'should' be able to beat my bike, just haven't seen it yet.
Same with a twisty road: a few guys I know can hang right with me, but no one has been able to lose me and very very few can even keep me in sight when I go all out. I'm kinda like one of those big azz 4x4 diesel drag trucks: an anomaly that thrives on its suprising agility -- but will never be able to claim itself the fastest or quickest out there. "Like putting lipstick on a pig".
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posted November 16, 2009 09:38 AM
Oh yeah: if I recall correctly, rpms where indicating 10,400 in 6th - according to the dyno's I've had it on, at redline the tach reads 200rpms higher than actual.
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posted November 16, 2009 09:55 AM
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It should be around 186 actual, depending on tire height.
Sticks, Shiphteey and I complete at LSR events. We see what these bikes run with all different sized riders. I'll just leave it at that.
Do you still stick by your claim of not being beaten on your 14 by any other 14 or 1000?? I believe that was the claim at one point...
Claim I made was on a dyno: and nobody has done it yet without a power adder. Thats not exactly a big deal: any cam or head/cam busa or 14 'should' be able to beat my bike, just haven't seen it yet.
Same with a twisty road: a few guys I know can hang right with me, but no one has been able to lose me and very very few can even keep me in sight when I go all out. I'm kinda like one of those big azz 4x4 diesel drag trucks: an anomaly that thrives on its suprising agility -- but will never be able to claim itself the fastest or quickest out there. "Like putting lipstick on a pig".
Wow... 310lbs on a heavy long 14. I bet i could smoke you in the twisties on an R6.
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posted November 16, 2009 11:17 AM
Jaxxx lets put it this way: if you can honestly say you are as good as or better than the top hardcore mountain riders in your state, then "Yes" you could probably beat me on a very twisty road. If, however, you aren't that top 1% of dead serious, street roadracing guys in your region than most likely "NO" you could not smoke me nor even keep me in sight.
BTW: "1% of dead serious, street roadracing guys" does not mean guys who live for blasting down every straightaway and riding like Madd Max everywhere. Guys I'm talking about only dial it up when the road gets to its twistiest areas.
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posted November 16, 2009 01:23 PM
Edited By: Phantom13 on 16 Nov 2009 21:32
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shiphteey, if I can prove this to you what in return will you do for me?
Because I'm not really impressed by proving anything to you with the way that you communicate to others on this forum.
Forget about Shiphteey... prove it to yourself.
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If you think you've got a fast bike, come out and play with real LSR guys at a real LSR event.
Street racing is fun and all, I used to race down at the REAL 9/10th's in the Glades years ago before I went legit, so trust me... I know where you're coming from. That being said, when I took the dive and started racing at sanctioned LSR events, I quickly saw how truly amateur all the street guys were in comparison.
Guys like Shiphteey and Shane661 know what these bikes are capable of in the hands of the top tuners and top riders in the country. The stuff you read about on the forums and magazines.... they witnessed with their own eyes while sitting on their own bikes right behind them in line at the track. So when a street guy with unestablished credibility comes on the internet and makes questionable claims... it raises eyebrows.
Personally, I KNOW it's possible to run 195mph N/A on GPS with a stock motor... I did it way back in 2004 on my ZX-12R when I was sitting at 230lb's unsuited.... BUT it took about 1.5 mi, -2 teeth in the rear, 70*F cool air, high atmospheric pressure, and a 10+mph tailwind. In the same conditions, my 150lb buddy jumped on my bike and went 199mph on GPS. In the 9/10th's, I usually ran between 186-188mph depending on conditions and 194-196mph on a 40 shot. Big difference!
See, when you put the run into context such as I did above, it becomes less glorified... but more credible. The way you describe a run will tell everyone which one you're going for, and perhaps that's why you're catching a little flak from some of the more hardcore LSR guys. Keep in mind, this isn't Hooters... you're amongst a lot of highly experienced racers here.
Sorry for the novel, thanks for taking the time to read it all. Good luck and I hope to see you at an LSR event sometime.
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smokinZX14
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posted November 16, 2009 02:34 PM
Maybe next race ( milemarker-1.com) i can give my zx14 a try ...I really don't care to go that fast but that milemarker-1.com track looks real safe with pleanty of shut down ..
I don't think i can hit 200 anyway ...I'd be happy with hitting 190 .. I bet 190 is not that easy either ...
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shiphteey
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posted November 16, 2009 02:44 PM
Nonsense Smokin...if a 180 lb rider went 195 on a stock 14, surely your light ass with some MR9 can go 2 flat!
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posted November 16, 2009 03:01 PM
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Nonsense Smokin...if a 180 lb rider went 195 on a stock 14, surely your light ass with some MR9 can go 2 flat!
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At 120.00 for 5 gallons of MR9 i'll be running pump gas !!!!
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eklipse636
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posted November 16, 2009 03:12 PM
That's crazy for the fuel to be that much... Depends on how you look at it, but that can be the cheapest hp or over time that can be the most expensive hp you can buy!
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shiphteey
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posted November 16, 2009 03:48 PM
Smokin, I hear ya, it ain't cheap. BUT lets just say you went 198 or 199 on pump gas by the day's end. Tell me it won't be going through your mind...
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