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posted October 30, 2009 06:08 PM
muzzy vs brocks map
Im working on some small mods on my 09,KnN muzzy slip ons and the fly removal.I got some good advice here.my last step for now since im not a drag racer but spend alot of time on hwy 1 here in north ca is a pc.Im really not sure if there both basically the same or is there an advantage over one? Someone with experience with both brocks and muzzy pcs would be of help.Thanks
  
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zx14fan
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posted October 30, 2009 06:13 PM
the only pc i have had was on a harley and it torched both pistons.
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eklipse636
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posted October 30, 2009 06:14 PM
You get a dynojet powercommander and if you have muzzy pipes get muzzy maps. Each map is "set up" for their pipe. With slip ons your not gonna tell that. Big of a difference, and doubtful you would tell a difference in the two maps.
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posted October 30, 2009 08:09 PM
The brock map will give you 67 extra horsepower while the Muzzy map will only give your 38 hp. The decision is an easy one--
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posted October 30, 2009 08:47 PM
lol, smart ass
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eklipse636
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posted October 31, 2009 12:54 AM
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the only pc i have had was on a harley and it torched both pistons.
That wasn't the pc's fault that it HAD to be put on a harley!!
Al bs aside without highjacking his thread that's a whole other topic.
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posted October 31, 2009 04:57 AM
I have a Alien head exhaust from Brocks and my bike is used 97% of the time on the highway and road use the other on dragstrip.No issues what so ever.
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posted October 31, 2009 05:00 AM
Call muzzy and they will send you an e-mail which contains the mapyou need for your combo.
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zx14fan
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posted October 31, 2009 08:49 AM
Someoens getting 67 hp from a brocks map lol. Thanks for the advice i will order the muzzy.
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posted October 31, 2009 11:44 AM
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Someoens getting 67 hp from a brocks map lol. Thanks for the advice i will order the muzzy.
It was a joke. This topic has been beaten to death. I had Muzzy slip on's and Muzzy mailed
me a CD with the map for slip on's and fly's out.
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zx14fan
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posted October 31, 2009 01:26 PM
I knew is was a joke. thats all good stuff.
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Flyboy
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posted October 31, 2009 05:46 PM
zx14fan it was a Halloween joke and you took it well. But you know what really leaves me sleepless a night....
which exhaust gives out more power... Brock or Muzzy--
Perhaps you might start a thread on this. Many of us are still wondering--
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posted October 31, 2009 07:04 PM
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zx14fan it was a Halloween joke and you took it well. But you know what really leaves me sleepless a night....
which exhaust gives out more power... Brock or Muzzy--
Perhaps you might start a thread on this. Many of us are still wondering--
I've been DYING to know this!!!!
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eklipse636
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posted October 31, 2009 07:38 PM
I know sticks has put his bike on the dyno vs a lot of others and beats them everytime. But peak hp dosent win races. A dyno queen is one thing, but a proven hp bike is another! Which pipe is in the winners circle more? BROCKS hands down.
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posted October 31, 2009 09:54 PM
I live in Bend where Muzzy is located........I had the chance to talk with a longtime muzzy employee and he told me that the Muzzy system was a joke and that if it wasn't for race fuel the dyno wouldn't have shown much of a difference between stock and their pipe.....
I'm lost now.......what to do.....what to do......
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zx14fan
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posted October 31, 2009 11:42 PM
flyboy-man you must be able to come up with something more complicated then that?? Hmm your synapse need a little exercise.
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posted November 02, 2009 10:17 AM
 Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 2 Nov 2009 18:18
Motorcycle Fred your "friend" is a complete moron and should be taken out back and shot for being ignorant. Let me guess: he stocks shelves or is the janitor? You want info, look at my YouTube videos: lots of different exhausts shown and dyno'd to prove the point. ALL 14's on pump gas. My bike is a freak and makes more power than others, but there is other guys running the M14 stepped header/ oval canister exhaust like I got and there numbers are right even with Brocks best.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aZX14blurr&search_type=
Dyno Queen numbers? Maybe, but consider this: I ran Gilberjj on the freeway, did 4th, 5th, 6th gear pulls. I weigh at least 80 pounds more than him but still pulled him until about 5,000rpms then he slowly pulled away. Hmm. Gilberjj did you have that 16 tooth sprocket on during those runs? Now that I think about it, you were shifter sooner than me... cheater. 
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posted November 02, 2009 10:44 AM
What the heck was up with that dyno? Not once did I hear a bike taken to the limiter. Here's my dyno queen.
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posted November 02, 2009 08:58 PM
See what you started zx14fan. It may never end--
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posted November 02, 2009 09:02 PM
Edited By: gilberjj on 3 Nov 2009 05:03
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Motorcycle Fred your "friend" is a complete moron and should be taken out back and shot for being ignorant. Let me guess: he stocks shelves or is the janitor? You want info, look at my YouTube videos: lots of different exhausts shown and dyno'd to prove the point. ALL 14's on pump gas. My bike is a freak and makes more power than others, but there is other guys running the M14 stepped header/ oval canister exhaust like I got and there numbers are right even with Brocks best.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=aZX14blurr&search_type=
Dyno Queen numbers? Maybe, but consider this: I ran Gilberjj on the freeway, did 4th, 5th, 6th gear pulls. I weigh at least 80 pounds more than him but still pulled him until about 5,000rpms then he slowly pulled away. Hmm. Gilberjj did you have that 16 tooth sprocket on during those runs? Now that I think about it, you were shifter sooner than me... cheater.
No I didn't have the 16t. We had the EXACT same gearing and both confirmed 89 octane. I did pull you pretty hard though as I recall! 
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posted November 02, 2009 09:06 PM
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I live in Bend where Muzzy is located........I had the chance to talk with a longtime muzzy employee and he told me that the Muzzy system was a joke and that if it wasn't for race fuel the dyno wouldn't have shown much of a difference between stock and their pipe.....
I'm lost now.......what to do.....what to do......
Ya, your friend is stupid. My m10 made good power, and I know the m14 makes even more power because it made more power then my Brocks system (which made way more power then the m10 system)............... wow, that will make your head spin. I wonder if anybody else understands that. Either way, I am convinced that muzzy makes a great system....... m14 that is. From my experience, the Brocks mapping has been excellent. I got Brocks system for a great deal, and that's why I'm running brocks. I respect both companies, and you can't go wrong with either one!
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eklipse636
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posted November 03, 2009 05:12 AM
Your talking about a max of a few hp between the two, just get whichever you like and don't look back.
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posted November 03, 2009 05:30 AM
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Your talking about a max of a few hp between the two, just get whichever you like and don't look back.
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eklipse636
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posted November 03, 2009 05:51 AM
.. I just realized the initial question was mapping, not exjaust. If you have a muzzy pipe, put a muzzy map.
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posted November 03, 2009 05:55 AM
for the record, my dad is running an old style m-10 on his bike with a PC5 and generic muzzy no flys map from fuel moto and consitantly runs 119-121 through the 1/8th on 16/43 gearing at 62". Given, he weighs in at 145-150 lbs in shorts... but still.
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