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posted October 31, 2009 10:36 AM
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i had this problem on my 06. happened going into 4th at the strip. anyway got it to a friends garage and pulled cluth and basket. started looking and thought that the spring on the shift forks was weak or broken. pulled shift shaft out and spring to find that the spring was alright. the forks would not fully move so thought that they might be bent. they are a close tolerance fit. we were looking up the part on bike bandit and i was spraying the forks with wd40 and cleaning them when a small piece of clutch fiber came out from between the forks. after that came out the forks worked as advertised sliding back and forth smoothly. havent had a problem since.
Update:
Apparently this was the same problem that the dealer found with mine.
Something was stuck between the shifting arm and the cam (star) for the shift drum.
All is well again.
Great news! I'm glad to hear that it wasn't catastrophic 
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posted October 31, 2009 11:27 AM
What about the metal in the oil???????????????? Did they install a new clutch?
Something???? Is it just me? I would have asked to SEE what was in my trans.
And asked about the small crud in the oil. I would change the oil and filter again soon.
And chage again after a few hunderd miles.Metal in oil from day One. What is making
this happen??? This is not OK just because the trans shifts again. Metal in oil ...do
you really think this engine will last 50,000 miles? Go back to Dealer and ask these questions. Take to different dealer and explain everything to them.
Not being Mean or anything but do ask why the metal in Every oil change. What was in trans to lock it up? I would be asking Kawasaki for a new engine. Metal from day ONE.
Let us know what the Dealer says. I really feel you are getting the run around on this problem.
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posted October 31, 2009 01:12 PM
I will definitely change the oil soon after I put some more miles on it, they did change the oil and filter after buttoning it up. Problem there is I won't be riding to much this year, and the warranty runs out in March of next year.
They had no explanation to where the small pieces of aluminum are coming from. I saw the clutch and basket, looked at all the clutch dics, the insides of the engine behind the clutch myself, nothing there that could produce any small shavings.
I may have to get the oil analyzed to see what the true material is, and keep samples of the oil, if I see more of this stuff.
Of course the dealer recommended that I purchase a extended service contract, but why I should have to pay for this kind of thing is beyond me. But this would be my only safe guard if I plan to keep the bike for awhile.
The dealer also said that if he needed to do a total tear down and found nothing, that labor would all be on me.
Buy the way, the trans never locked up, just the ratcheting shifting arm got hung up at the cam for the shift drum.
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posted November 03, 2009 07:41 PM
Well........... that didn't last long. About 80 miles and it's stuck in gear again.
Come to find out that the service manager wasn't to convinced that the fix would last long. He has seen the deposit of fine metal on the shifting lever, and with that he knew that it wouldn't last long. He told me that he needs to call Kawasaki and convince them that the engine needs to be torn down completely to ascertain where the metal is coming from.
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posted November 03, 2009 10:16 PM
Kawasaki needs to replace your engine then they can tear down that engine to figure it out.
They shouldn't be toying with tearing the motor down on your time.
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posted November 04, 2009 06:01 AM
That would be great if Kawasaki could be convinced to do that, don't think that is going to happen. I've heard quite a few complaints about getting any good satisfaction from them with regards to warranty work. The service manager told me it's like pulling teeth to get Kawasaki to agree to the littlest things, and diagnosis is on the top of that list. He has to convince them to do the tear done, and of course, he wants to make sure that he gets paid also.
It would be better if the motor had windowed the block, to get anywhere with them.
But I think that the service manager is going to bat for me; he sees no evidence of miss use, the clutch looks like new, and he actually flushed and refilled the crankcase with clean oil himself. That lasted about 80 miles before it got stuck in gear again.
We will see what happens.
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posted November 04, 2009 09:12 AM
I wish the best for you man!
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posted November 04, 2009 12:38 PM
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i had this problem on my 06. happened going into 4th at the strip. anyway got it to a friends garage and pulled cluth and basket. started looking and thought that the spring on the shift forks was weak or broken. pulled shift shaft out and spring to find that the spring was alright. the forks would not fully move so thought that they might be bent. they are a close tolerance fit. we were looking up the part on bike bandit and i was spraying the forks with wd40 and cleaning them when a small piece of clutch fiber came out from between the forks. after that came out the forks worked as advertised sliding back and forth smoothly. havent had a problem since.
Update:
Apparently this was the same problem that the dealer found with mine.
Something was stuck between the shifting arm and the cam (star) for the shift drum.
All is well again.
i had almost your problem .. but it was the shift star that broke a tab in 4th gear and i was stuck in 5th and 6th and could not down shift into 4th
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posted November 04, 2009 12:48 PM
Well if the metal shavings aren't magnetic then they aren't any part of the shifting mechanisms. Either they're bearing which would look like fools gold or part of the engine cases. Perhaps a little bit broke off that keeps things in their proper place?
Either way not good!
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posted December 15, 2009 03:02 PM
 Edited By: extrapilot on 15 Dec 2009 23:05
Update to my problems.
The dealer tore down the motor while in the shop since Nov.3
Finally got a reason why all the metal glitter in the oil.
The clutch basket damping springs, the ones attached to the primary gear, are loose enough to be slapping around in the back of the basket causing the fine metal particles and small slivers. They were getting thrown into the direction of the shifter arm right behind the basket.
The service manager had a field service tech come take a look at it and found it right away.
Seems that they seen this kind of thing before seeing how quickly the service tech found the problem. The service manager told me that that's the way Kawasaki handles giving out important service advise to the dealers, very tight lipped about things like this.
Anyone hear of such a issue?
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posted December 15, 2009 03:14 PM
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Update to my problems.
The dealer tore down the motor while in the shop since Nov.3
Finally got a reason why all the metal glitter in the oil.
The clutch basket damping springs, the ones attached to the primary gear, are loose enough to be slapping around in the back of the basket causing the fine metal particles and small slivers. They were getting thrown into the direction of the shifter arm right behind the basket.
The service manager had a field service tech come take a look at it and found it right away.
Seems that they seen this kind of thing before seeing how quickly the service tech found the problem. The service manager told me that that's the way Kawasaki handles giving out important service advise to the dealers, very tight lipped about things like this.
Anyone hear of such a issue?
I have not heard this ...But that is great info for sure .
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posted December 15, 2009 03:17 PM
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Update to my problems.
The dealer tore down the motor while in the shop since Nov.3
Finally got a reason why all the metal glitter in the oil.
The clutch basket damping springs, the ones attached to the primary gear, are loose enough to be slapping around in the back of the basket causing the fine metal particles and small slivers. They were getting thrown into the direction of the shifter arm right behind the basket.
The service manager had a field service tech come take a look at it and found it right away.
Seems that they seen this kind of thing before seeing how quickly the service tech found the problem. The service manager told me that that's the way Kawasaki handles giving out important service advise to the dealers, very tight lipped about things like this.
Anyone hear of such a issue?
The clutch dampning springs loose enough to slap off metal shavings sounds like an isolated incident.
I've not heard of any that were loose like that. If this were a common problem there would be more bikes wth shavings in the oil.
I have never seen another 14 with shavings in the oil .
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posted December 15, 2009 03:20 PM
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Update to my problems.
The dealer tore down the motor while in the shop since Nov.3
Finally got a reason why all the metal glitter in the oil.
The clutch basket damping springs, the ones attached to the primary gear, are loose enough to be slapping around in the back of the basket causing the fine metal particles and small slivers. They were getting thrown into the direction of the shifter arm right behind the basket.
The service manager had a field service tech come take a look at it and found it right away.
Seems that they seen this kind of thing before seeing how quickly the service tech found the problem. The service manager told me that that's the way Kawasaki handles giving out important service advise to the dealers, very tight lipped about things like this.
Anyone hear of such a issue?
I have not heard this ...But that is great info for sure .
+1
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posted December 15, 2009 03:36 PM
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Update to my problems.
The dealer tore down the motor while in the shop since Nov.3
Finally got a reason why all the metal glitter in the oil.
The clutch basket damping springs, the ones attached to the primary gear, are loose enough to be slapping around in the back of the basket causing the fine metal particles and small slivers. They were getting thrown into the direction of the shifter arm right behind the basket.
The service manager had a field service tech come take a look at it and found it right away.
Seems that they seen this kind of thing before seeing how quickly the service tech found the problem. The service manager told me that that's the way Kawasaki handles giving out important service advise to the dealers, very tight lipped about things like this.
Anyone hear of such a issue?
The clutch dampning springs loose enough to slap off metal shavings sounds like an isolated incident.
I've not heard of any that were loose like that. If this were a common problem there would be more bikes wth shavings in the oil.
I have never seen another 14 with shavings in the oil .
I know, I had to be "special"
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posted December 15, 2009 03:50 PM
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Update to my problems.
The dealer tore down the motor while in the shop since Nov.3
Finally got a reason why all the metal glitter in the oil.
The clutch basket damping springs, the ones attached to the primary gear, are loose enough to be slapping around in the back of the basket causing the fine metal particles and small slivers. They were getting thrown into the direction of the shifter arm right behind the basket.
The service manager had a field service tech come take a look at it and found it right away.
Seems that they seen this kind of thing before seeing how quickly the service tech found the problem. The service manager told me that that's the way Kawasaki handles giving out important service advise to the dealers, very tight lipped about things like this.
Anyone hear of such a issue?
The clutch dampning springs loose enough to slap off metal shavings sounds like an isolated incident.
I've not heard of any that were loose like that. If this were a common problem there would be more bikes wth shavings in the oil.
I have never seen another 14 with shavings in the oil .
I know, I had to be "special"
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posted December 15, 2009 04:01 PM
Thanks Lee
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posted December 15, 2009 04:12 PM
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I've not heard of any that were loose like that. If this were a common problem there would be more bikes wth shavings in the oil.
I have never seen another 14 with shavings in the oil .
CHITT .i've seen a few
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posted December 15, 2009 04:15 PM
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I've not heard of any that were loose like that. If this were a common problem there would be more bikes wth shavings in the oil.
I have never seen another 14 with shavings in the oil .
CHITT .i've seen a few
Was it loose clutch dampning springs causing aluminum shavings or fools gold ?
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posted December 15, 2009 04:39 PM
it was mostly aluminum.. but sometimes you would see fools gold... we figured the fools gold was from clutch fibers .. being there was no bearing issues
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posted December 15, 2009 04:51 PM
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it was mostly aluminum.. but sometimes you would see fools gold... we figured the fools gold was from
clutch fibers .. being there was no bearing issues
Hmm maybe this isn't an isolate incident after all .
Sounds like the clutch dampning springs are loose on a few 14's 
Well at least mine hasn't had anything foreign in the oil ..yet!
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posted December 15, 2009 05:08 PM
I wouldn't say "never" ab shanvings in oil... There's been a small handful of guys on here with various types of problems and had shavings in oil.
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