3000psi and falling
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posted October 08, 2009 02:19 PM
 Edited By: 3000psi and falling on 8 Oct 2009 23:36
Cold rattle
I just moved up to Washington from TX a month ago. The temps have started to get low, Today's high was about 60, When I started my bike in the garage (which was cooler) and after a min or so when the motor's idle came down I heard rattleing from the upper motor, it sounds like the same rattle I get every now and then from the cam chain at start up for a second. But this rattle took about 10 seconds to stop after the idle came down after a cold start.. Is this just from having a summer weight oil?
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
  
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LAB3
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posted October 08, 2009 03:58 PM
Are you running 10W40?
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3000psi and falling
Zone Head
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posted October 08, 2009 04:14 PM
no, i cant recall what it is right now, but it was a summer weight according to the owners manual. i want to ride but am affraid of a oil pressuse issue..
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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AcadianaZX
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posted October 08, 2009 04:32 PM
If it's conventional oil in it now you will get better cold flow characteristics from a synthetic oil for initial start ups. Regular dino. oils don't flow as well when cold till the engine is warmed up. Try any synthetic for better results. Let us know how it turns out.
James
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LAB3
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posted October 08, 2009 04:47 PM
I live in Texas and deal with the Hot summers and rode last winter with 10W40
full synthetic oil no rattle after first cold start each day. Summer or winter.
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BrooklynNYZX12
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posted October 08, 2009 05:22 PM
Just picked up a new 08 and it gives me a rattle for about a second or two on startup,even w/5w30 mobil 1
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posted October 08, 2009 05:44 PM
My 08 does it for ab a second and that's it. Dosent bother me
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3000psi and falling
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posted October 08, 2009 06:48 PM
Mine does tha startup rattle for a sec or two, what im talking about is the same sound as the startup rattle, but its after the motor comes down from high idle at cold starts, The timing chain tensioner should have pumped up by then, it takes about 10 seconds to go away after the idle comes down from a cold start. Maybe the cam chain tensioner is going bad? The oil is clean, the filter is new, and the oil level is correct. Its amsoil 10-40 full syn. 16,000 miles.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted October 08, 2009 07:20 PM
Welcome to Washington.What part o fthe state are you located??
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3000psi and falling
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posted October 08, 2009 07:38 PM
Moses lake..lol Im going to College here, they have a great Avaition program here.
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted October 08, 2009 07:48 PM
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If it's conventional oil in it now you will get better cold flow characteristics from a synthetic oil for initial start ups. Regular dino. oils don't flow as well when cold till the engine is warmed up. Try any synthetic for better results. Let us know how it turns out.
James
+1
then report back !
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3000psi and falling
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posted October 08, 2009 11:33 PM
I am using full synthetic oil. Amsoil 10 40
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08 ZX14, 2010 Persimmon Red bodywork.
Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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BrooklynNYZX12
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posted October 09, 2009 07:22 AM
If it were my bike heres what I would do,call Carpenter and buy one of his modified ZX12 tensioners.He uses this on his built 14 engines and its an automatic non hydraulic tensioner.If you really like the bike and want to keep it,try that.I am not a fan of the other alternative which is the manual tensioner,way too many horror stories.
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LAB3
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posted October 09, 2009 08:36 AM
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If it were my bike heres what I would do,call Carpenter and buy one of his modified ZX12 tensioners.He uses this on his built 14 engines and its an automatic non hydraulic tensioner.If you really like the bike and want to keep it,try that.I am not a fan of the other alternative which is the manual tensioner,way too many horror stories.
I callled Carpenter racing two weeks ago and was told to call them back in a few weeks.
No part# or price on his web site for a ZX-12 CCT that has been machined for a 14.
He only sells them for his Engine Package but was getting calls about the needs
of the stock engine owners. I need 2, call him and ask. He also said he advised
against running a manual CCT on a ZX-14 street driven. Cam chain design was his answer. His words not mine. Just saying. A lot of people will disagree.
Louis
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AcadianaZX
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posted October 09, 2009 08:47 AM
You're already are using good oil. If you have it looked at. Shout back. The Carpenter ZX12 mod. CCT sounds like a good cure.
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posted October 09, 2009 10:13 AM
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You're already are using good oil. If you have it looked at. Shout back. The Carpenter ZX12 mod. CCT sounds like a good cure.
James it is a great mod for a stock engine street 14 that goes to the track every now and then. We spin soooo much we never stress the cam chain as much as a high HP 14 with a Slick and wheelie bar does. I bet his CCT is bleeding off and would have done this in the summer here in Ft. Worth. Bently said his CCT went quiet with Amsoli 10W40, but so
far he was the only one to post they got a quiet CCT on cold start.. I have not changed to Amsoil yet. Just changed the oil just before the case of Amsoil arrivd from you........Tressie set up my account for me so all I had to do was send funds with CC. Nice lady and great Customer Service while you were out of town on long swim :-) If enough of us call Carpenter and sak about the CCT he will expedite on his web site.supply and demand.
Louis
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posted October 09, 2009 10:26 AM
don't worry about it just ride it.
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posted October 09, 2009 12:57 PM
I used Royal purple motorcycle oil (the high rev stuff not the v-twin) untill this last change, I am going back to purple next change, the amsoil does give a bit more clutch grab being that its not a moly base oil, but I noticed the startup rattle lasted longer, and happend more often with the amsoil. I will look into the Carpenter ZX12 mod.
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Flies pulled, 16-42, BMC street, 8" extensions, drag shock, cut pan, Cycle Concepts Drag Pack and springs, muzzy m14 w/ oval can, lowered, Shinco usoft rear, pcv with autotune, leightweight Shori 18ah battery, throttle meister. 500lbs at bandimeres scales with half tank of juice.
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posted October 09, 2009 01:09 PM
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I used Royal purple motorcycle oil (the high rev stuff not the v-twin) untill this last change, I am going back to purple next change, the amsoil does give a bit more clutch grab being that its not a moly base oil, but I noticed the startup rattle lasted longer, and happend more often with the amsoil. I will look into the Carpenter ZX12 mod.
Go to his web site and and then call him and ask. Please report what he says as I want 2 and several other here are wanting them. Let Bob know several of us want the CCT. Bill Eason was doing this but he has not posted in some time now sigh.
The Racing Royal Purple is so thin because of less cleaners in the oil. So you need to change it a lot more often. I have used Mobil1 Racing 10W40 4T motorcycle oil for
7000 miles and clutch and trans are smooth. And engine is clean inside. I change oil and filter every 2500 to 3000 street miles, no Drag racing so no clutch material in oil....yet :-)
I will let you know how the Amsoil 10W40 does in the Texas winter as next week or 2 I will dump the Mobil 1 and try the Amsoil. And see if my CCT acts up like what your's is doing.
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posted October 09, 2009 01:15 PM
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You're already are using good oil. If you have it looked at. Shout back. The Carpenter ZX12 mod. CCT sounds like a good cure.
James it is a great mod for a stock engine street 14 that goes to the track every now and then. We spin soooo much we never stress the cam chain as much as a high HP 14 with a Slick and wheelie bar does. I bet his CCT is bleeding off and would have done this in the summer here in Ft. Worth. Bently said his CCT went quiet with Amsoli 10W40, but so
far he was the only one to post they got a quiet CCT on cold start.. I have not changed to Amsoil yet. Just changed the oil just before the case of Amsoil arrivd from you........Tressie set up my account for me so all I had to do was send funds with CC. Nice lady and great Customer Service while you were out of town on long swim :-) If enough of us call Carpenter and sak about the CCT he will expedite on his web site.supply and demand.
Louis
Thanks Lab. I will call Carpenter when I get back home and ask about it for sure.
James
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posted October 09, 2009 01:29 PM
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I used Royal purple motorcycle oil (the high rev stuff not the v-twin) untill this last change, I am going back to purple next change, the amsoil does give a bit more clutch grab being that its not a moly base oil, but I noticed the startup rattle lasted longer, and happend more often with the amsoil. I will look into the Carpenter ZX12 mod.
Amsoil has only worked for a few with CCT rattle. It depends on how much slack you already have in the CCT. I appreciate your kick back because I don't want to make any false claims. If changing back to Royal Purple helps, this vast community of ZX14 riders would like to know as well as myself. I'm learning more everyday and I'm glad we have an alternative like the Carpenter CCT. Thanks
James
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posted October 09, 2009 08:58 PM
I haven't had any CCT probs untill just recently last week. I started my bike then let it warm up , no CCT noises . Took off and did WOT in the 1st 2 gears got to the light and the damn CCT was rattling for a few seconds! It stopped after a few seconds but still makes me think about it. I don't like having that damn CCT on my mind now. I guess after 53,000 miles its time for an upgrade . Time for carpenters!
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posted October 09, 2009 09:04 PM
Man, there are so many ppl, wanting these modded zx12 tensioners, I should start making them! LOL
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posted October 09, 2009 09:04 PM
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If it were my bike heres what I would do,call Carpenter and buy one of his modified ZX12 tensioners.He uses this on his built 14 engines and its an automatic non hydraulic tensioner.If you really like the bike and want to keep it,try that.I am not a fan of the other alternative which is the manual tensioner,way too many horror stories.
I callled Carpenter racing two weeks ago and was told to call them back in a few weeks.
No part# or price on his web site for a ZX-12 CCT that has been machined for a 14.
He only sells them for his Engine Package but was getting calls about the needs
of the stock engine owners. I need 2, call him and ask. He also said he advised
against running a manual CCT on a ZX-14 street driven. Cam chain design was his answer. His words not mine. Just saying. A lot of people will disagree.
Louis
Hmmm ... My CCT is bugging me now that it started rattling on me after the bike was all warmed up. I wonder which way I should go. Manual or carpenters?
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posted October 09, 2009 09:25 PM
" He also said he advised against running a manual"
" its an automatic non hydraulic tensioner.....I am not a fan of the other alternative (which is the manual tensioner),way too many horror stories"
Man, there are so many ppl, wanting these modded zx12 tensioners, I should start making them! LOL
+1 sign me up!!!
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