LAB3
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posted September 30, 2009 06:44 AM
Thanks for looking. Maybe someone else will post with a answer.
  
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pissear
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posted September 30, 2009 07:28 AM
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I am thinking about adding a TRE to my 14 since my flys are still in. Is this compatible with my current PC III map/pipe set up or will I have to remap. Is it just plug and play or is it more complicated. Thanks for your assistance
You set a wire on fire, the "(6)" lights up. Set the other GPS wire to ground and it sets the, "N." I forget which wire, but flies in, you hit the wrong wire, the subs lag and do not open. You set the other wire, the actuator sets the sub to a different speed opening.
I am only going by what RR has shown as he hit the software he cannot rewrite but click on/off at this time. Would I rewrite the map squares so 86 maps are set the same way or say we have maps that take the place of the sensor wires?
Funny how the N or (6) show up. Funny how the hard apply and the soft apply are gear related to shift quality. I see things as a speed event trigger. Say the actuator has a bump in speed opening that there sure seems like you have to match that sub to open on the fly sorta speak.
We talking speed maps in the actuator opening? The only place to write that ROM is use some software. Correct me if I am wrong. I am looking at the same exact parts on the bike since this engine family was introduced. Only change has been inside that black box.
I know (6) is fast ignition harsh apply. I know N is smooth/rich apply/ign winds up at the same location. Only the ign event happened quicker. That is that "jerky" fell you experience. Race is quick this/quick that. You think you have such a great map, then undo the N. Tell me what you think now about being hacked smoother or the piggy is much smoother, who needs the N.
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way too much light in the place is shoot the lights out and make it really dark inn year ear is F YO and the bike you clanked in on.
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LAB3
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posted September 30, 2009 09:11 AM
I removed the TRE.. No. N on gear indicator and engine Backfires when you let off throttle at 3500
fire out of exhaust = burn out packing in silencer. TRE N back in and No Popping/Back Fire.
I know. keep stock exhaust on = slower ZX-14. Fact.
Did roll on's with Bone Stock 2008 ZX-14 with and without TRE. He said I just pull away
from him the same either way. Now what say you?? :-)
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pissear
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posted September 30, 2009 10:20 AM
Well, you said you have a, "Fact," that the stock clogger is slower and the M14 is faster air flow with burnt packing even faster then. The 17/43 might step up the speed from slow is a fact to know.
Did you also set the hard or run a soft? Did you lose fuel mileage with both the N and the Pc? N set the fat to set the lift to the hard cut no pop?
Loss of fuel you run the N? Shut off the N
Less fuel is burn the Pc off too. "Now what say ye?" And is the flame front out the back now? Like lean is my pop I need more muffler I have to complain about performance? Pee See that extra fuel being lit? Mean is lean say about that flame being gone now?
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way too much light in the place is shoot the lights out and make it really dark inn year ear is F YO and the bike you clanked in on.
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LAB3
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posted September 30, 2009 02:08 PM
He has a 43 rear sprocket like the reat of us. Just no PC or after market exhaust.(yet)
No advancer or K&N filter (not that it makes any more HP) I did not check for
a change in fuel milage. With the TRE in I have No Complaints. You and I both know
a good 4/2/1 exhaust will make more Torque and HP that a stock exhaust. But you need the PC..pee see :-) to correct the A/F. I will be glad when you can just go straight to the ECU for any map changes. I have been following the thread where they are trying
to break into the Kaw ECM like they do a Busa. Same on my Corvette, I have 2 OBDII for it. The orginal one with stock settings for state inspection and the second one Ed Wright at
Fast Chips reprogrammed for the mods I have done to my LT4.
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Newf14
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posted October 06, 2009 04:12 AM
 Edited By: Newf14 on 6 Oct 2009 12:13
I just removed my TRE-008 from the bike and I can nottice a real difference without it. I wont have to waite long for the full effect goin to pull the fly's this winter. So do you want it for a good price to try out epd345 ???
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wrongway
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posted October 06, 2009 04:59 AM
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Now that we can reflash the zx-14 I hope to track down some of these issues and determine exactly what is going on inside the ECU when you use the different TREs. I don't think the TRE will turn out to have the effect some of you think it has.
Unlike the Suzukis the 14 does not have individual ignition and fuel maps by gear. It basically has a base map for each cylinder and a neutral map. That doesn't mean the gear position has no effect on timing and fueling but it is not set up with 86 different ignition maps like the GSXR / Busas. At least not the 06/07. Also on the GSXRs and ZX-6 our dyno results show you make more power with the flies in than out, that is once you flash out the restrictions.
Here is an example of some of the gear maps that I've found. Based on experience with other bikes it looks like a secondary throttle map but I haven't had a chance to trace the code from the map to the servo control yet so I won't swear to it. This map set has a neutral, 1st2nd, 3rd4th, and 5th6th map. The neutral and 1st2nd are identical. Comparing the 1st2nd to the 5th6th gives you an idea of what using a 6th gear TRE does, at least one aspect of it anyway.
"1st2nd gear map"
"5th6th gear map"
"Compare map 5th6th minus 1st2nd"
X axis across the top is RPM, Y axis down the left is % Throttle
I am a little confused .. the values for 100 % throttle are the same for 9500 - 11000.
the AFR on the data logger is getting richer going from 9500 -11000. Does this mean that the heads or cams are limiting the motor beyond 9500 rpm ?
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LAB3
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posted October 06, 2009 05:28 AM
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Now that we can reflash the zx-14 I hope to track down some of these issues and determine exactly what is going on inside the ECU when you use the different TREs. I don't think the TRE will turn out to have the effect some of you think it has.
Unlike the Suzukis the 14 does not have individual ignition and fuel maps by gear. It basically has a base map for each cylinder and a neutral map. That doesn't mean the gear position has no effect on timing and fueling but it is not set up with 86 different ignition maps like the GSXR / Busas. At least not the 06/07. Also on the GSXRs and ZX-6 our dyno results show you make more power with the flies in than out, that is once you flash out the restrictions.
Here is an example of some of the gear maps that I've found. Based on experience with other bikes it looks like a secondary throttle map but I haven't had a chance to trace the code from the map to the servo control yet so I won't swear to it. This map set has a neutral, 1st2nd, 3rd4th, and 5th6th map. The neutral and 1st2nd are identical. Comparing the 1st2nd to the 5th6th gives you an idea of what using a 6th gear TRE does, at least one aspect of it anyway.
"1st2nd gear map"
"5th6th gear map"
"Compare map 5th6th minus 1st2nd"
X axis across the top is RPM, Y axis down the left is % Throttle
I did not know that someone finally figured out how to write to the ZX-14 computer.
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RidgeRacer
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posted October 06, 2009 06:11 AM
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Now that we can reflash the zx-14...
I did not know that someone finally figured out how to write to the ZX-14 computer.
At this point just the older SH7052 equipped 06/07. Like the Denso in the GenII Busa the Mitsubishi ECU in the 08/09 ZX-14 switched to a newer m32r CPU which I haven't cracked yet.
It looks like the same method will work for the 06/07 ZX-10 as well.
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RidgeRacer
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posted October 06, 2009 06:58 AM
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I am a little confused .. the values for 100 % throttle are the same for 9500 - 11000.
the AFR on the data logger is getting richer going from 9500 -11000. Does this mean that the heads or cams are limiting the motor beyond 9500 rpm ?
Roy
Well you are looking at the secondary throttle map, not a fuel map. All the map says is that at 100% TPS between 9500 and 11k is that the throttle is 100% open.
Here is the fuel map
Of course I think it may only add to your confusion as it shows fuel slightly decreasing from 9500 up. On the other hand does this show that whoever tuned the fuel map knew the bike would go rich over 9500 and tried to lean it out?
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chadszx14
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posted October 06, 2009 08:50 AM
i have this tre if u want to buy it.....i been meaning to put it on ebay and sell it so if u want it i could make a ebay buy it now listing.....just let me know..its the ivans 008 and theres nothing wrong with it...i slung a rod in my 06 motor so i put a new 08 on it and went ahead and took the flies out so there was no use for the tre anymore...i can tell a differnce on the launches...still trying to get use to it its a whilly king now and im stretched 7" over stock with no straps on the front...going to strap it down next time i go to the track
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wrongway
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posted October 06, 2009 10:14 AM
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I am a little confused .. the values for 100 % throttle are the same for 9500 - 11000.
the AFR on the data logger is getting richer going from 9500 -11000. Does this mean that the heads or cams are limiting the motor beyond 9500 rpm ?
Roy
Well you are looking at the secondary throttle map, not a fuel map. All the map says is that at 100% TPS between 9500 and 11k is that the throttle is 100% open.
Here is the fuel map
Of course I think it may only add to your confusion as it shows fuel slightly decreasing from 9500 up. On the other hand does this show that whoever tuned the fuel map knew the bike would go rich over 9500 and tried to lean it out?
thanks for straightening me out on the maps....
Roy
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epd345
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posted October 06, 2009 08:52 PM
How much for the TRE-008??, drop me an email at epd345@yahoo.com. Thanks
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Newf14
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2007 ZX1400
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posted October 26, 2009 02:38 PM
Did you recieve the TRE yet??
Newf14
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