SticknMove
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posted September 10, 2009 10:37 AM
Runs on three cylinders
Lately I've been doing long rides, say an hour or two. When the bike gets hot, it seems like it's running on 3 cylinders. I thought it was the plugs and changed them, I thought it was my PC III, which I removed, but it's still doing it. Sounds like a V-Twin, now if it starts and I hit the throttle, she comes right back, but the low r's 3k-5k, while riding in the higher temps starts to act up. Is their any suggestions for this?
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bigdtd
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posted September 10, 2009 12:02 PM
try some injector cleaner like chevron techron, sentry, seafoam. if its not the injectors which i think it is, my next guess would be a coil or coil connection. i say injectors because of the change when throttle is applied.
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SticknMove
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posted September 10, 2009 12:51 PM
Bigdtd, thanks alot, much appreciated. Will do.
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14nooby
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posted September 10, 2009 02:26 PM
I am with you big dtd. Have you tried to isolate which cylinder is losing power? If so try moving the coil to another cylinder and see if the problem moves with it. That would be a free way to test it. Pull a plug (if you have one cylinder not firing one of your plugs will be fouled out too)
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posted September 10, 2009 07:46 PM
thats a bummer. dont you hate having the power of an average bike!! hope you figure it out
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posted September 11, 2009 12:29 AM
Could be the throttle bodies need to be synched. When was the last time?
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Obba
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posted September 11, 2009 01:34 AM
Ok. I'll just throw some ideas in here....
If it was the injectors, wouldn't you notice a lack of power, even if the injector cut in when you opened the throttle? Assuming Bigdtd is meaning 'slightly blocked' at low throttle, but when WOT, more fuel gets through, but not enough.
As for Throttle bodies needing sync. I don't think so... Upto 5k revs? That wouldn't be enough IMO to stop a plug getting fuel.
But the weird one for me was the reply from 14nooby. How the fuck could you determine which cylinder is not firing as you're riding physically the bike etc etc?
One of my mates has an induction timing light. I think it allows you to just place a 'clamp / coil' around the ingnition lead - and thus the light fires with each charge/current, without any uplugging or lead joiners/extensions etc.
Is there anything out there that would allow 4 leads (maybe having to use four of these timing lights), to be connected and have a display of four indicators showing the firings?
If one plug IS NOT FIRING, then it would be pretty clear as to which one it is.
As the OP says it happens at low revs, maybe even borrowing four of these timing lights might be the way to go?
Might look like shit riding down the road with cables everywhere doing it, but you'd know the answer.
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posted September 11, 2009 05:34 AM
 Edited By: Bluebyyou on 11 Sep 2009 13:35
Ouote: Lately I've been doing long rides, say an hour or two.  An hour or two, LOL. My average ride is 4 to 6 hrs, and even 10 occassionally. Sorry for the brief hijack, thats just amusing to me. Now about on your issue: From your vague description it appears to be a misfire situation. Check the coil sticks and the sparkplugs. Also as a shot in the dark, check your battery connections the ECU needs constant voltage to properly manage timing, fuel, and ignition firing.
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SticknMove
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posted September 11, 2009 05:57 AM
I want to thank all of you for your replies. I will definitely look into all avenues for this matter. Ride safe and enjoy your 14's....
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posted September 11, 2009 09:10 AM
Edited By: BobC on 11 Sep 2009 17:15
Also remember that if it's not firing properly a lot of unburnt fuel will be getting through to the exhaust which will wreck the catalytic converters. Don't run it like this, check the plugs, the igniters and do a compression check at the very least.
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posted September 11, 2009 11:56 AM
I'm going with a coil craped out. This happened to my R6 a couple of times. Eazy way to see which one is bad is to let the headers get warm/hot then spray a little water on them. The one thats not fireing right will take longer for the water to evaporate off the header pipe
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SticknMove
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posted September 11, 2009 12:18 PM
At first I thought it was the plugs, started it up at night in neutral, raised the rpms to 3k-4k, and one header did not glow, I went change the plug for that header, next day too one of my so called long rides, and by the time I got into it cruising in 3rd, or 4th gear at a steady rpm, lets say 3k, or 4k, mayb even 5k it started giving me the v twin sound, of course until i hit hard. Came to a light, tried to take off, and she sounded like shit, of course until I hit it again, and she came right back.
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Obba
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posted September 11, 2009 03:36 PM
Put one of those timing lights as above on that suspect cly and go for a ride.
If the cut out happens again and the light is not flashing, then that's what you want to see...
Obviously, the induction type only reacts to the current passing through. Not the actual spark at the plug nor fuel issues. But it might be a start to tick off coils and bad ECU earths etc.
Anyway good luck.
I'll look forward to finding out what it is in end. I'll keep my eye on the thread.
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posted September 11, 2009 05:21 PM
sounds like a low voltage battery , poor connection,
These bikes need good voltage to run properly, check all your battry connections and the main frame ground beside the battery box.
Whats the volts on the cluster?
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posted September 11, 2009 07:26 PM
Well its not making the FI light flash so it's something stupid but well hidden for now...
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14nooby
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posted September 12, 2009 05:30 AM
OBBA, READ my reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nothing about trying to figure out which cylinder while riding!!!!! Go chase some fucking kangaroos you dick!
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posted September 12, 2009 02:49 PM
14nobody: This is your reply, or am i missing something?
"Have you tried to isolate which cylinder is losing power? If so try moving the coil to another cylinder and see if the problem moves with it. That would be a free way to test it. Pull a plug (if you have one cylinder not firing one of your plugs will be fouled out too)
From my reading, he thinks he's found the cylinder; "and one header did not glow, I went change the plug for that header". He's changed the plug. He still has the problem.
Why should he start changing all the coil stuff, when my way he doesn't have to do any unplugging or changing plugs.
No need to be nasty. I thought this was a place to try and help by giving ideas. I don't think i've been insulted here before. Why would you do that?
I was only trying to help someone. A pretty cruel reply comment to post and name calling isn't going to go very far with me, as my mum said that 'sticks and stones will break my bones and names will never hurt me'. So there, you bad nasty toilet mouthed person.
I'm going to take a calm breath and try not to get upset at what you said. You might be on a bad day, or your boyfreind has found someone else with a tighter ring hole - as your's might be a bit big by now!
Or that your stomach can't take more than 3 pints of cum anymore and the trips to the hospital to have your stomach pumped are getting too much for him.
Or could be that your momma just explained why you have 11 fingers after you asked her what the the words 'inbred redneck hickeys' meant.
Peace.
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posted September 12, 2009 03:57 PM
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posted September 16, 2009 09:22 AM
thread got jacked, but did you get it figured out?
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SticknMove
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posted September 24, 2009 08:31 AM
Yes, my thread did get jacked, but all is well. Took it out again, and this time the trouble started 30 minutes into riding. Muffled sound, white smoke, hesitation, then she just stopped. A long story short, called Triple AAA, towed it home, and turns out the coil is bad, she had a lot of fuel in the cylinder head too. My mechanic is changine bad coil, all new plugs, in addition to the end (4) thottle body, which when tested with fuel, there was no mist coming out, just pure heavy drips of fuel. I'll let you guys know how I make out after all is said and done, but thanks again for your replys.
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posted September 24, 2009 09:31 AM
hey buddy don't forget to change out the motor oil. When cylinders load up with fuel it will contaminate the the crank case and may lead to motor failure. On the bright side it cleans out your bottom end pretty good.
best of luck
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INTIMIDA2OR
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posted September 24, 2009 06:47 PM
Well i must say that is the 1st coil failure on a 14 i've heard of . There's always a 1st one.
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posted September 24, 2009 07:16 PM
3 pints! Holy shit that would take awhile. 
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posted September 25, 2009 07:00 AM
sounds like you had a coil and an injector that were giving you problems, thanks for posting and let us know how it turns out
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posted September 25, 2009 05:32 PM
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sounds like a low voltage battery , poor connection,
These bikes need good voltage to run properly, check all your battry connections and the main frame ground beside the battery box.
Whats the volts on the cluster?
I check the battery like he said I just checked mine and the negative termanal was compleatly corroded. My bike had a hiccup /hessisatation at low rpm's hopefully this will cure it.
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