gilberjj
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posted July 27, 2009 09:47 PM
Took some pics of my bike today
Even though my bike is up for sale, I thought I would share these with you all! They were so cool imo that I couldn't keep them to myself. I cleaned my bike real well, and then found some cool spots to take some pics as the sun was setting. The sun was so bright that the camera couldn't even pick up the true color red. Oh well, the parking garage pics look pretty cool I think!
  
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dubious
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posted July 27, 2009 10:21 PM
Looks great. Why are you selling it though?
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dcjens
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posted July 28, 2009 05:43 AM
WOW! That's big news...selling?? I'm guessing the bigger picture...Your wife wants you to live longer?? grin. I've sold every bike I've had for similar reasons. Maybe even to get a different one that she can enjoy too? txt me your address and I'll drop off the windshield. Red might be faster BUT black is sexier for the pose! If you sell it and need a fix...youre welcome to borrow mine bud. How was your friday loop ride?? I've opted to drive the mini-van in this tripple digit heat wave...A/C!!! ~ D
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gilberjj
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posted July 28, 2009 10:10 PM
My wife and I could use money elsewhere right now. That is the reason for selling the bike.
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LAB3
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posted July 29, 2009 01:55 AM
Money is tight as are jobs. It looks Great. Hope you get another 14 later.
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WindSwordNinja
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posted July 29, 2009 07:28 AM
Your bike looks great! 
Sorry to hear you have to sell it.
Hopefully in a couple of years when things have turned around you will be able to get a brand new SUPERCHARGED ZX-15!
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Shane661
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posted July 29, 2009 07:31 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 29 Jul 2009 15:32
I hate to see you sell it...you still have a few different exhaust systems to try!! 
(that one looks very nice, though!...is that a re-badged Ti-Force?)
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gilberjj
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posted July 29, 2009 08:58 AM
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I hate to see you sell it...you still have a few different exhaust systems to try!!
(that one looks very nice, though!...is that a re-badged Ti-Force?)
haha! I haven't tried them all, but here's the list of what I've had....
stock
Tsukigi
muzzy m10
brocks alien head
orient express
And yes, Orient Express confirmed that this is built by ti-force. That high mount system is built by Sato.
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87gtNOS
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posted July 29, 2009 04:31 PM
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I hate to see you sell it...you still have a few different exhaust systems to try!!
(that one looks very nice, though!...is that a re-badged Ti-Force?)
haha! I haven't tried them all, but here's the list of what I've had....
stock
Tsukigi
muzzy m10
brocks alien head
orient express
And yes, Orient Express confirmed that this is built by ti-force. That high mount system is built by Sato.
I have this same TiForce exhaust! MIne is 'badgeless'. I do like the look of the name plate on it though!
Who's mapping are you using? And have you dyno'd this exhaust?
Sorry you have to sell it.
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gilberjj
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posted July 29, 2009 09:28 PM
I have a couple maps. Right now I'm just running the brocks street map that I have from my alien head, and I really have no reason to change it. I also have a map from orient express, and one from hpc (zx14.net).
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eklipse636
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posted July 30, 2009 06:16 AM
Out of all the exhaust, which one was your favorite?
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87gtNOS
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posted July 30, 2009 03:10 PM
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I have a couple maps. Right now I'm just running the brocks street map that I have from my alien head, and I really have no reason to change it. I also have a map from orient express, and one from hpc (zx14.net).
I have all those but the Orient Express map. The HPC map made less hp than NO (stock) map on the dyno!! The Brocks works very nicely!!
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LAB3
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posted July 30, 2009 03:18 PM
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Out of all the exhaust, which one was your favorite?
Sticks M14 :-)
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gilberjj
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posted July 31, 2009 05:44 PM
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Out of all the exhaust, which one was your favorite?
Power: I like the alien head and the orient express the best. The alien head undoubtedly makes the most hp out of all the pipes. It's noticeable in the ride! The alien head used to loft the tire so badly in 2nd that I had to go back to a 17t front sprocket. None of the other pipes did that. All the 3 other exhausts are similar in power (as far as I can tell).
Quality: The build quality of the brocks and muzzy are lacking in comparison to the orient express (ti-force) and tsukigi. It's not even close! The orient and tsukigi look like works of art, and the brocks and muzzy pipes look like they were built by a muffler shop. To be fair, the muzzy pipe was even lower quality then the brocks. One thing that hurt the Brocks (as far as quality goes) was how thin the piping was. It was so thin that the spot welds for the spring tabs left large bumps on the inside of the piping. I know it's much more difficult to weld thin piping.
Fitment: Fitment was where the brocks pipe really shined. All the other pipes stick out below or equal with the oil drain plug guard, but the brocks is higher then even the sump. The Muzzys was the easiest to assmble because it was just 2 pieces. All the others were equally frustrating (but not all that bad).
Sound: Though my opinion counts for little, I thought I would still air out my thoughts about the sound of each pipe. For street riding, the Orient Express is the nicest. It is deep and smooth with no raspy undertones. It's not the same deep that you get with a shorty pipe (like the m10 or alien head), but it's still deep. The sound is what you would expect from a liter bike, with 352 more ccs..... Still has that f1 high revving wail to it, but a little deeper. It is calm when riding regularly, but opens up when you get on it. The Tsukigi (I think it's muffler packing was burnt out of it), muzzy m10, and brocks all made a blat blat blat sound at about 1,500 rpms. That really annoyed me. At the track, the Muzzy m10 and the Brocks alien head sounded equally good. Real aggressive, and real deep. They aren't as deep as a Brocks Smeg, but they are still much deeper then a canister style exhaust. Both the Brocks and m10 were tiring on your ears if you were riding for more then 50 miles at a time. I would suggest ear plugs if you go on longer rides with the muzzy m10 or brocks alien head. IMO, the m10 is a little quieter then the Brocks, but that's like saying one sumo wrestler is fatter then another...... They are both fat......
Mapping: With all the exhaust systems, I ran flies out. For the Tsukigi, I got a map from HPC (zx14.net). It was a good map but ran rich up top. I considered getting a custom map as I suspected the map was a little fat in areas. All in all, it was a good map, but down on power compared to the others. The Tsukigi made the least power of the group. For the muzzy m10, I tried my Tsukigi map, and a map for a ti-force (each of them complete garbage). Then I got the map from muzzys, and it was ok. Having this map on my bike made me realize that the mapping for the Tsukigi was actually pretty good. This was the worst mapped pipe I had. If I would have kept it longer, I probably would have gotten a custom tune. The brocks was......surprise, surprise...... the best mapped pipe of the bunch. I got my maps from brock, and I never even considered getting it custom tuned. I got a dyno done (to check hp), and the tune was perfect. When I got my Orient Express pipe, I just left the Brocks street map on the bike, and I have no need to change it. I have a map from hpc and from orient express, but I never even tried them out. The Brocks map is very smooth, even with the orient express map loaded.
Important note: I was comparing maps, and the muzzy and brocks maps were almost exactly identical. There were something like 14 different cells out of close to 500 cells. I'm guessing that muzzy just used brocks map.
Pricing: These prices are the cheapest that I've found them
Brocks: $1000 (but it comes with excellent maps)
Orient Express: $775 (the map looks pretty good that comes with it, but I've just been running the brocks map)
Tsukigi: $750 (doesn't come with a map, but the vender might give you one. The one from HPC is pretty good and he gives you the map if you buy the pipe from him)
Muzzy m10: $800
Conclusion: Don't get me wrong, I liked all of the pipes, but if I had to rate them, I would rate them.....
Orient Express
Brocks Alien Head
Tsukigi
Muzzy m10
This takes everything into account....... For my needs, the orient express looks the part, sounds great, fits the budget, and makes almost as much power as the Brocks.
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I have all those but the Orient Express map. The HPC map made less hp than NO (stock) map on the dyno!! The Brocks works very nicely!!
I agree! +1 for Brocks maps
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Out of all the exhaust, which one was your favorite?
Sticks M14 :-)
haha....... ya, I've concluded that his bike just makes mad power regardless of the pipe. I've seen 2 other identically equipped m14 bikes dyno 7 hp less then sticks bike on the same day on the same dyno...... But there is no arguing, the m14 is a great system!
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posted July 31, 2009 07:51 PM
Yeah, but the dyno don,t mean squat on the road.Just a tool to tune,and compare the before and after.Nice write up gilberjj .
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NinjaofDoom
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posted July 31, 2009 08:11 PM
Good luck on the sale brother! I just said goodbye to the Ninja of Doom this last week, but i made sure it went to a good home. I will probably get another one in the future, it just wasnt working out for me as my only bike.
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Shakdiesel9
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posted August 01, 2009 01:40 PM
How much u selling it for?
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gilberjj
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posted August 02, 2009 09:15 PM
The bike is priced to move at $7250
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted August 03, 2009 09:35 AM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 3 Aug 2009 17:36
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Yeah, but the dyno don,t mean squat on the road.Just a tool to tune,and compare the before and after.Nice write up gilberjj .
So being as how I weighed over 100 pounds more than you when we did the Monkey Butt 200 last year and I was hanging right next to you during all those high speed runs I would guess that maybe the dyno DOES mean squat? You had a Brocks Smeg, right?
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posted August 03, 2009 03:00 PM
Sticks,you got me.I am sure your 14 is fast,but they are all fast.Had I known you were behind me I would of gave it alittle more go juice. All kidding aside we need to get out and ride sometime.I have a buddie that would love to see how his 08 Busa stacks up.Cheers.
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