bigwil
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posted July 23, 2009 07:24 PM
lock up clutch
witch one do you have and do you lk
thinking of going with the mtc multi or mtc 2 stage
ive got the cycle logic but slipping big time smoking a new clutch evrey weekend
any one got the hays slidder
best pass 8.62 @172mph
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06redzx14
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posted July 23, 2009 07:26 PM
hay's unit won't be availabe for another month or two. MTC has the gen 2 available, but pricey
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Shane661
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posted July 23, 2009 07:27 PM
Have you tried adding more weight to the cycle logic?
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bigwil
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posted July 23, 2009 07:38 PM
yes i had to load that thing up for the dyno and still it keep slipping at about 350 hp
the fingers are to short they dont come out far lk the mtc
i never saw a clutch on a 14 burned up as mutch as mine
fibers gone steels black as could be
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Shane661
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posted July 23, 2009 07:41 PM
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yes i had to load that thing up for the dyno and still it keep slipping at about 350 hp
the fingers are to short they dont come out far lk the mtc
i never saw a clutch on a 14 burned up as mutch as mine
fibers gone steels black as could be
I guess you could have new petals with more leverage made for the cycle logic....just an option.
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bigwil
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posted July 23, 2009 07:44 PM
with the extra weight its digging in the presure plate now
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 23, 2009 07:46 PM
How much are you putting? It will need at least 3 washers each arm for that horsepower.
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Shane661
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posted July 23, 2009 07:47 PM
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with the extra weight its digging in the presure plate now
That doesn't make sense. Are you sure there is not another issue? We have an MTC that holds well over 300 hp with only 3 arms with minimal weight (busa).
I forget, maybe the mtc has a different pressure plate as well..
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bigwil
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posted July 23, 2009 08:13 PM
the bolts that come with the cycle logic are to short we put longer and heaver bolts and nuts and a washer on both sides for the dyno but had to take the washers out at the track or it would bog it out the hole
and the mtc multi comes with a new plate and the 2 atage you have to send them yours and they put hat pins in them
the mtc looks a lot larger and longer fingers than the cycle logic its more in the center
i belive thats why they have to cut your cover and mod, instead of just a spacer plate
and with the mtc i should be able to load it up with wieght if needed and go with softer springs to get out the hole i think
thanks
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Compton
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posted July 23, 2009 09:01 PM
wait for the hays!
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zx14, little longer, little louder, little lower.
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iflyems
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posted July 24, 2009 06:49 AM
MTC 5-stage lockup. Put over 300+ hp too it, and the clutch plates not only held, but still looked new. I got the second one they ever made for the ZX14...or maybe it was the first one, but it was overbuilt, and worked great.
IMHO, all other lockup clutches are copies of the MTC, and not nearly of the same quality. You can save a few $$ of the others, but you'll spend it back in clutch plates. There's a reason some of these things are expensive.....and your starting to find out why.
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 24, 2009 08:37 AM
 Edited By: kawasakijockey on 24 Jul 2009 16:40
If you are riding on the street go with the MTC single stage. It is at least tuneable for what you need. The CL would need machine work by shortening the arms where they contact the clutch hat and the back mount points. Not worth the effort.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Compton
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posted July 24, 2009 09:00 AM
everybody i know with the MTC has either sold it, or will sell it to get the Hays.
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b.w.
zx14, little longer, little louder, little lower.
08 Busa, just a little longer and louder and lower than the 14
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iflyems
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posted July 24, 2009 09:03 AM
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everybody i know with the MTC has either sold it, or will sell it to get the Hays.
And your point is??
Everybody I know, that races, or has high horsepower, uses the MTC, there just isn't any thing else out there that can touch it.
Like I said, everbody copies the MTC. If you can't afford an MTC, then certainly, get something else.
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Compton
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posted July 24, 2009 09:11 AM
The Hays isn't a copy of anything MTC has out.
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zx14, little longer, little louder, little lower.
08 Busa, just a little longer and louder and lower than the 14
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Compton
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posted July 24, 2009 09:22 AM
Edited By: Compton on 24 Jul 2009 17:23
http://www.haysmachineworks.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=17&Itemid=26
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zx14, little longer, little louder, little lower.
08 Busa, just a little longer and louder and lower than the 14
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bigwil
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posted July 24, 2009 09:24 AM
im going with the mtc 2 stage for now
but will be for sale when the hays comes out
anyone no wfen there releasing it
who has springs softer than stock
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 24, 2009 10:38 AM
Edited By: kawasakijockey on 24 Jul 2009 18:56
MTC has softer than stock springs. The Super Soft actually measure out the same as zx11 stock springs. They also have the shims in .010 .020 .050 for that lockup also.
Iflyems, I do believe that everyone has copied the MRE design. http://www.murdochracing.com/about.htm
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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06redzx14
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posted July 24, 2009 11:01 AM
http://psychobike.com/forums/kawasaki-zx12r-zx14/23949-zx-14-hayes-convertible-clutch.html
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bigwil
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posted July 24, 2009 02:08 PM
spoke with Tim today and the hayes-convertible-clutch. should be ready in 6 to 8 weeks
will have to send in clutch basket and iner hub and will need a acsses cover
who has a larger cover ive only seen the one from oriant express 485.00
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outlaw1510
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posted November 06, 2009 09:42 PM
zx14 clutch is in stock ready for delivery.
thank you for those who support our products.
Thank You
Tim Hays
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zxbob
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posted November 07, 2009 05:02 AM
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MTC has softer than stock springs. The Super Soft actually measure out the same as zx11 stock springs. They also have the shims in .010 .020 .050 for that lockup also.
Iflyems, I do believe that everyone has copied the MRE design. http://www.murdochracing.com/about.htm
MRE or MTC . . . . there both great lock ups (IMHO)
Personally, I went with the 2 stage MTC and its perfect !
Bob
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FlatoutBu
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posted November 07, 2009 06:32 AM
I got a MTC 2 stage i'm willing to part with....
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KZScott
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posted November 07, 2009 08:41 AM
so the cycle logic doesnt have steel buttons put into the pressure plate?
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kaw-rick
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posted November 07, 2009 08:44 AM
How much ya sprayin. Thats movin. Love that mph. Im running a 100 shot, 220lb rider, same et as you, but only 164 mph.
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