joemugg
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posted July 10, 2009 07:15 AM
need power!
Need some suggestions to get more power. I have an 06 with BMC race filter, Muzzy exhaust, flies out. Had a custom map done on the dyno and pulled 168.5h 98.7t @ 97F 30.45Hg 33%. Dyno operator says I need to ditch the Muzzy exhaust to get more power. My goal is to put 200HP down, naturally aspirated. Is that realistic and with what mods?
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06redzx14
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posted July 10, 2009 07:42 AM
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ninjaboy311
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posted July 10, 2009 07:45 AM
That's low dyno numbers, the bike should make those numbers bone stock off the showroom floor.
With your mod's you should be in the 178-low 180's HP range and 105+ torque.
To get 200HP, likely would need some head work or a bigger bore kit.
Running MR9 with what you have should put you around 190 HP. I really think your dyno numbers are wrong.
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gilberjj
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posted July 10, 2009 08:04 AM
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Need some suggestions to get more power. I have an 06 with BMC race filter, Muzzy exhaust, flies out. Had a custom map done on the dyno and pulled 168.5h 98.7t @ 97F 30.45Hg 33%. Dyno operator says I need to ditch the Muzzy exhaust to get more power. My goal is to put 200HP down, naturally aspirated. Is that realistic and with what mods?
The muzzy makes plenty of power. Remember, dynos are simply measurement tools, and numbers are completely different from dyno to dyno. There might be something wrong with your bike, but I doubt it. Get some nitrous and that will do the trick for $300.
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kawasakijockey
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posted July 10, 2009 08:06 AM
MR9 will give that much more? I have never tried it because of cost but might do it this winter if I can find it around here.
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joemugg
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posted July 10, 2009 08:37 AM
The dyno operator said mid 160's to 170's was average for 14's with similar mods on his dyno. Its a DynoJet 250i.
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06redzx14
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posted July 10, 2009 08:43 AM
where are you located?
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posted July 10, 2009 09:09 AM
I have a custom map with a full muzzy system, bmc race filter, emissions removed, and aftermarket velocity stacks. My bike is only turning 100 ft/lbs and 170 hp.
The funny thing is, with just a muzzy map on the bike (stock filter, stock velocity stacks, and emissions still in place and a set of gutted 08 GSXR 1000 canisters on it as slip-ons, I ran 106 ft/lb and 174 hp on the same dyno and under very similar conditions as far as weather goes.
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joemugg
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posted July 10, 2009 09:34 AM
I'm on the coast in S Alabama.
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06redzx14
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posted July 10, 2009 10:10 AM
that is a little low considering we're in similar conditions i'm in Louisiana a think the building where the dyno is is something like 12 feet over sea level
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JDC
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posted July 10, 2009 01:56 PM
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Need some suggestions to get more power. I have an 06 with BMC race filter, Muzzy exhaust, flies out. Had a custom map done on the dyno and pulled 168.5h 98.7t @ 97F 30.45Hg 33%. Dyno operator says I need to ditch the Muzzy exhaust to get more power. My goal is to put 200HP down, naturally aspirated. Is that realistic and with what mods?
I think it depends on your dyno. Find a high reading dyno for your baseline bike and you may be able to get close or there.
Find a lower reading dyno, eg one that baselines your bike in the high 150's to 160's... and I don't think its gonna happen.
You may only gain a few HP from a pipe exchange.. and then again, you may also lose!
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joemugg
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posted July 10, 2009 02:26 PM
Yeah, I know the numbers will vary from dyno to dyno and even day to day. I was thinking most of the posts I'd seen here stated numbers in the 170's and mine wasn't too far off that. I imagine if the ambient temp had been lower it would have gained 1 or 2 also. Has no one done cams or thinner head gasket? I was thinking that direction and maybe some port work while the head was off, but wasn't sure what kind of gain to expect.
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SteddyTeddy
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posted July 10, 2009 04:35 PM
Your not going to hit a true 200hp SAE without major motor work.
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busa08
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posted July 10, 2009 07:37 PM
get a busa if you need more power.
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Lacker 14
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posted July 10, 2009 07:46 PM
A busa may show higher numbers on a dyno.But I will take my 14 on the open road any day...
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busa08
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posted July 10, 2009 07:54 PM
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A busa may show higher numbers on a dyno.But I will take my 14 on the open road any day...
....and all you see is the tail of 2nd gen. busa! hee...hee...
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smokinZX14
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posted July 10, 2009 07:58 PM
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A busa may show higher numbers on a dyno.But I will take my 14 on the open road any day...
....and all you see is the tail of 2nd gen. busa! hee...hee...
Want to bet on that ?
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joemugg
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posted July 10, 2009 08:19 PM
Damn, Smokin'! I thought you'd weigh in with some good tips. Am I really SOL? Is my only option to call Chris Jones? There's a couple 1st and 2nd Gen Busa's that ride with us and I've never seen the ass end of either. There is a ZX10R that's giving me hell, though! 
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smokinZX14
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posted July 10, 2009 08:29 PM
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Damn, Smokin'! I thought you'd weigh in with some good tips. Am I really SOL? Is my only option to call Chris Jones? There's a couple 1st and 2nd Gen Busa's that ride with us and I've never seen the ass end of either. There is a ZX10R that's giving me hell, though!
Well most of what was said is just what i would say ... Don't sweat the dyno numbers .... You could do the thin head gasket and deg the cams , that's pretty cheap mod.. I will be putting an 06 zx14 on my dyno in a few day with a thin head gasket and deg cams and i'll post up the numbers ... The two zx14s on my dyno so far with the same mods made from 175 to 177 hp SAE.. Hope we will see more with the head gasket and deg cams ...
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busa08
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posted July 10, 2009 08:37 PM
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A busa may show higher numbers on a dyno.But I will take my 14 on the open road any day...
....and all you see is the tail of 2nd gen. busa! hee...hee...
Want to bet on that ?
her we go again stirring shit!
hey smokin zx14 it is SHAWNSKI , i use to be here last 2 years when i had my 06, 07 zx14, then i end up getting me 08 busa, i am just playing.
both bikes are bad ass.
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smokinZX14
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posted July 10, 2009 08:47 PM
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A busa may show higher numbers on a dyno.But I will take my 14 on the open road any day...
....and all you see is the tail of 2nd gen. busa! hee...hee...
Want to bet on that ?
her we go again stirring shit!
hey smokin zx14 it is SHAWNSKI , i use to be here last 2 years when i had my 06, 07 zx14, then i end up getting me 08 busa, i am just playing.
both bikes are bad ass.
Hey SHAWNSKI how you doing ? Good to see you back on bikeland ..I will over look the fact you now have a busa ..lol.. 
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joemugg
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posted July 10, 2009 08:51 PM
You da man, Smokin'! Post 'em when you can. Let me know if you're using stock cams or regrinds. Thanks!
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busa08
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posted July 10, 2009 08:53 PM
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A busa may show higher numbers on a dyno.But I will take my 14 on the open road any day...
....and all you see is the tail of 2nd gen. busa! hee...hee...
Want to bet on that ?
her we go again stirring shit!
hey smokin zx14 it is SHAWNSKI , i use to be here last 2 years when i had my 06, 07 zx14, then i end up getting me 08 busa, i am just playing.
both bikes are bad ass.
Hey SHAWNSKI how you doing ? Good to see you back on bikeland ..I will over look the fact you now have a busa ..lol..
i am doing good, how is everyone doing here? got 9000 miles on that busa over a year and enjoying it but still miss having the zx14. let see what 2010 will bring to showrooms and i might trade for a new one.
you all take care, i will drop by once a while and check out latest news here, sure miss a great forum.
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posted July 12, 2009 09:05 AM
To see 200 and better, u will have to do head, cams and Pistons or stroke. Some guys like piston power, some guys like stroke power. Which ever way u go will give u something north of 200 HP. I have the 2mm ova piston kit. My bike makes 215 HP at the rear wheel but I jus found out that the same mods to a 2nd gen Busa yields 246 HP at the rear for about $800.00 less than the Kaw for the same mods, so the choice is yours. As much as l love Kaws, they aren't thinking about the consumer when it comes to after market HP. Suzuki does. Never owned a Suzuki but it's suddenly starting to look more attractive.
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