Ninja ZX-14
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posted June 08, 2009 03:32 AM
Factory Pro or Muzzy
I'm thinking about purchasing some velocity stacks. I noticed that Factory and Muzzy makes this for the 14. Which would you guys choose and does the bike have to be remapped once installed. I've heard different opinions in regards to the mapping.
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Shane661
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posted June 08, 2009 03:38 AM
They look like the same parts to me.
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LAB3
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posted June 08, 2009 05:00 AM
On a stock 14 I think it is a waste of $$ for the small gain you get.
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Ninja ZX-14
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posted June 08, 2009 06:28 AM
I currently have the 1417 with cams, springs, port.
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Shane661
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posted June 08, 2009 06:41 AM
All they do is slightly shift your torque curve. Depending on your setup and riding style, it can help..or hurt. As far as a/f, it is not going to be a huge difference. But to get the most out of the mod, you should check/adjust a/f.
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bigwil
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posted June 08, 2009 09:08 AM
muzzy copyed the factory pros they are the same i went with the big cc stacks ffom oreiant express they seal up around the frame better there is a pic of them on dubius bike on this site
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Shane661
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posted June 08, 2009 09:34 AM
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muzzy copyed the factory pros they are the same i went with the big cc stacks ffom oreiant express they seal up around the frame better there is a pic of them on dubius bike on this site
I thought about those. But for a normally aspirated setup they looked like they would be bad for flow. The part I am talking about is the billet sections where the hoses clamp on. There are internal ridges where the flow will be affected.
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posted June 08, 2009 10:34 AM
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muzzy copyed the factory pros they are the same i went with the big cc stacks ffom oreiant express they seal up around the frame better there is a pic of them on dubius bike on this site
"Big", what do you mean you went wit the big ones by Orient and how does theirs do in comparison to Factory or Muzzy's?
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Shane661
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posted June 08, 2009 11:07 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 8 Jun 2009 19:09
Big CC Racing stacks, for turbo applications.
http://www.orientexpress.com/Kawasaki/Sport/ZX+14+Ninja/Intake/BigCC+Racing+-+Billet+Velocity+Stacks+-+Kawasaki+-+ZX+14+ZZR+1400+Ninja+2006-2007.html
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masszx14
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posted June 08, 2009 11:21 AM
I bought my Factory pro long stacks from Schnitz.
They had the best price when I was shopping last year.
BTW you will not notice any difference, especially if you're geared and/ or
Brocked like me... I couldn't tell any.
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posted June 08, 2009 11:51 AM
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I bought my Factory pro long stacks from Schnitz.
They had the best price when I was shopping last year.
BTW you will not notice any difference, especially if you're geared and/ or
Brocked like me... I couldn't tell any.
"masszx14" you didn't notice any difference at all? Did you ever dyno bike afterwards and do you have to remap bike after the velocity Stack install?
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masszx14
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posted June 08, 2009 12:11 PM
I had an Alien Head and was at 16/43 when I first put them in.
My bike was also on a severe diet and MUCH lighter than stock.
I never remmaped afterwards but my tune was even better than the
Brock's maps I have. Tough to tell a 3 rwhp gain at 6K rpm IMHO
With the stroker you have you are more likely to notice the power increase.
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Shane661
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posted June 08, 2009 12:18 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 8 Jun 2009 20:20
Velocity stacks are not the kind of thing you do expecting the bike to "feel" more powerful. You may see a small difference at the traps, but that is it. They are one of the last things you do in order to optimize your setup.
If you have to ask about mapping, then you probably aren't that concerned about the 2 peak hp they might give you. Yes, the bike will run fine with the same mapping. No, it won't be optimized for the change in your intake tract.
Good luck with whatever you decide. 
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Flyboy
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posted June 08, 2009 12:34 PM
I have Factory Pro and they were very easy to change out. I'm not 100% sure but I believe Factory Pro makes the stacks for Muzzy. You might want to call Muzzy to confirm.
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Ninja ZX-14
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posted June 08, 2009 02:39 PM
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I have Factory Pro and they were very easy to change out. I'm not 100% sure but I believe Factory Pro makes the stacks for Muzzy. You might want to call Muzzy to confirm.
Flyboy, how do you like them and did you switch them out yourself?
masszx14, my bike is bored, not stroked. I don't know if that makes a difference based on what your statement was referring to in regards to the stacks.
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CrotchRocket
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posted June 08, 2009 02:44 PM
Edited By: CrotchRocket on 8 Jun 2009 22:46
It depends on what your using your bike for...
If I really had to get them, then I would get the stacks for top end!!!
But I say they are a waste of $$$
Thats just my 
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Flyboy
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posted June 08, 2009 04:46 PM
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I have Factory Pro and they were very easy to change out. I'm not 100% sure but I believe Factory Pro makes the stacks for Muzzy. You might want to call Muzzy to confirm.
Flyboy, how do you like them and did you switch them out yourself?
masszx14, my bike is bored, not stroked. I don't know if that makes a difference based on what your statement was referring to in regards to the stacks.
The only way to definitively tell is probably on a dyno and I didn't do a before and after test. I have top end ones and I did set three more records in September so I guess they did do well. I do not notice any difference on the street but that's not why I put them on. I didn't change them out myself but my friend did and he said he said it was quite simple and didn't take long.
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Ninja ZX-14
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posted June 08, 2009 05:58 PM
I appreciate the illustration Flyboy!
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carlsbadbusa
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posted June 30, 2009 09:02 PM
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On a stock 14 I think it is a waste of $$ for the small gain you get.
+1111!!!!!
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